The influence of the EU on Britain.
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No... Doesn't have a cse.. Used his life experience found a niche and exlpoited it... Didn't waste time exposing other people's spelling or grammar and stalking others.... Never used cut and paste or copyied anyone elses work... Did it all on his own..ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?1 -
Does Chizz think the sameFiiish said:
You really are dense. No wonder Guido appeals to you.Southbank said:
Well I read ' Brexit and everyone promoting it'Fiiish said:
I said those promoting it, not who voted for it. Learn to read.Southbank said:
The whole 52% of the population is a shower of shite?. I just realised you must be 13 years old.Fiiish said:
I know. My point is people don't really believe half this shit that the alt-right invents to obfuscate why Brexit is going so poorly but it is more compelling to them than the truth - that Brexit and everyone promoting it is a complete and utter shower of shite.bobmunro said:
I knew you would bite little fishy!Fiiish said:
No, there are some people thick and paranoid enough to think they believe it but once they actually engage their brains for a second they would see it's complete shit.bobmunro said:
Yes they are.Fiiish said:
No they're not. No one is stupid enough to believe this.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country.Red_in_SE8 said:
My ‘yes they are’ was in response to your statement ‘no one is stupid enough to believe this’.
Brexit, as in the UK leaving the EU, is demonstrably a shower of shit.
Those promoting it, as in Vote Leave and other anti-EU campaigns (currently under investigation for electoral fraud, very undemocratic), pro-Brexit politicians and pundits, the Russians undermining our democracy, UKIP and the far-right who use their time and resources trying to discredit the EU and Remainers, are a shower of shite. Most Leave voters don't count among these. In fact most Leave voters were conned by promises that simply can't be kept. Hence why support for leaving the Single Market is less than 10% and support for leaving the EU plummets every week.1 -
What way will be found?Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?
Just to be helpful will there be manned customs checks on the road from Gannons Cross to Clones?
If it is electronic, and there is some kind of warning bleep, will the authorities be close enough to respond?
Will it be an honesty box at all the crossing points on that road?
What practical way is actually, well, practical in that context?
Any ideas?
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Not all millionaire businessmen hold the same view.Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?3 -
No of course, but lots do though...bobmunro said:
Not all millionaire businessmen hold the same view.Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?0 -
How many imaginary friends do you have?Chippycafc said:
No... Doesn't have a cse.. Used his life experience found a niche and exlpoited it... Didn't waste time exposing other people's spelling or grammar and stalking others.... Never used cut and paste or copyied anyone elses work... Did it all on his own..ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?6 -
1 more than you.. Isn't it time you found an outdated link.Red_in_SE8 said:
How many imaginary friends do you have?Chippycafc said:
No... Doesn't have a cse.. Used his life experience found a niche and exlpoited it... Didn't waste time exposing other people's spelling or grammar and stalking others.... Never used cut and paste or copyied anyone elses work... Did it all on his own..ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?0 -
I think this thread has already discovered the missing one ;0)Chippycafc said:
1 more than you.. Isn't it time you found an outdated link.Red_in_SE8 said:
How many imaginary friends do you have?Chippycafc said:
No... Doesn't have a cse.. Used his life experience found a niche and exlpoited it... Didn't waste time exposing other people's spelling or grammar and stalking others.... Never used cut and paste or copyied anyone elses work... Did it all on his own..ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?
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I will speak to my self made billionaire mate tomorrow and ask him his opinion on Brexit and get back to you.Chippycafc said:
1 more than you.. Isn't it time you found an outdated link.Red_in_SE8 said:
How many imaginary friends do you have?Chippycafc said:
No... Doesn't have a cse.. Used his life experience found a niche and exlpoited it... Didn't waste time exposing other people's spelling or grammar and stalking others.... Never used cut and paste or copyied anyone elses work... Did it all on his own..ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?0 -
Mirror man.... Papers will be on line soon better get cutting and pasting... And of course linking. Don't forget to post links from ALL media not just those that suit your agenda..0
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Tag match is it.ShootersHillGuru said:
I think this thread has already discovered the missing one ;0)Chippycafc said:
1 more than you.. Isn't it time you found an outdated link.Red_in_SE8 said:
How many imaginary friends do you have?Chippycafc said:
No... Doesn't have a cse.. Used his life experience found a niche and exlpoited it... Didn't waste time exposing other people's spelling or grammar and stalking others.... Never used cut and paste or copyied anyone elses work... Did it all on his own..ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?
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Is that missing a question mark ?Chippycafc said:
Fiish in bedChizz said:I'll just leave this here
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You tell me.. Is rhat the best you can do creepy.ShootersHillGuru said:
Is that missing a question mark ?Chippycafc said:
Fiish in bedChizz said:I'll just leave this here
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You missing a question mark by any chance.ShootersHillGuru said:Do you mean that ?
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You missing a question mark by any chance.ShootersHillGuru said:Do you mean that ?
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When muttley made an outrageous claim and was asked for proof, some acted like it was the end of the world, yet it seems fine to continually dig out chippy about his PhD.ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?2 -
We've done this to death already but it's disappointing that you're still accusing him of lying about the impact on one aspect of his business and this is why he's no longer posting.Stu_of_Kunming said:
When muttley made an outrageous claim and was asked for proof, some acted like it was the end of the world, yet it seems fine to continually dig out chippy about his PhD.ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?
Personally I wish it would stop but this is clearly a case of two posters winding each other up to me, one of whom happily gets himself involved in plenty of silly name calling and trolling for reactions so it's a bit rich portraying him as a bit of a victim.
Fwiw I take him at his word and believe he does have a PhD.
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I have no reason to doubt his PhD. I don't think anyone is questioning his friendship with Richard Branson eitherBournemouth Addick said:
We've done this to death already but it's disappointing that you're still accusing him of lying about the impact on one aspect of his business and this is why he's no longer posting.Stu_of_Kunming said:
When muttley made an outrageous claim and was asked for proof, some acted like it was the end of the world, yet it seems fine to continually dig out chippy about his PhD.ShootersHillGuru said:
Does he have a PhD though ?Chippycafc said:
Great response, i have a millionaire mate, ex army and formed his own technology company, he told me this week any businessman voting to stay in was in his words an effing idiot. His answer to why was that businessmen worth their salt are greedy, and they will find a way.. I know non millionaire businessmen here though will know better.Southbank said:
Not my job,mate. Unlike you I am not a trade negotiator nor a customs or border export. But I do know that when it comes to trading and making money, a way will be found.seth plum said:Southbank said:
It was a mistake to agree on the sequencing-which they are regretting now.NornIrishAddick said:
Nay, nay, and thrice nay.Southbank said:
She is quite right to point out that the EU is using Ireland to sabotage democracy in this country. This is a very dangerous game and could backfire into violence if the brinkmanship continues.Red_in_SE8 said:
It's just not true.
Here's the thing, the EU have accepted the outcome of the EU referendum, no matter how much they may regret it.
But, even democracy does not happen in a vacuum. The democratic will of the UK (even if it was crystal clear what that us) extends to the limits of it's jurisdiction and no further, and those seeking to implement it have to take into account the legally binding agreements that the UK has made.
Just because people vote to, for example, "Make America Great Again", that vote does not make the desire reality.
So, also, the UK Government's desire to both have cake and eat it does not miraculously make everything it wants happen.
The UK position is that it wants out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union, and it can leave - but it cannot expect to retain everything as it is now if it does so.
The UK have proposed, at best, vague and aspirational soundbites (unlikely to meet WTO requirements) about the future of the border between the UK and EU in Ireland.
The EU negotiators are representing the interests of the EU27, because that's what they are supposed to do. And the EU has very firm notions about its external customs border, which is fair enough, as it controls access to its Single Market.
The outlook and interests of the EU27 are not those of the UK Government, but they have suggested a way of maintaining a status quo regarding the Irish border.
The only way to have the frictionless border that the Conservatives and DUP say they want is to have a formal system of enshrining ongoing regulatory equivalence (not the same as Liam Fox's idea that, just because on day one, the regulations are the same that an FTA can be arranged at the drop of the hat).
The UK says no to that for the UK as a whole, and also for Northern Ireland. It's not the EU's (including Ireland) job to design a workable Brexit that respects the circumstances in Northern Irish politics (some might say the DUP should be keen, but apparently not), but they are trying. In the end, however, no matter how much they want to avoid a customs border in Ireland, if that is what has to happen it will.
The only reason that there may be brinkmanship is because the UK has wasted time by failing to engage with the Article 50 process, including the sequencing, which is mot only about money. The timetable was set out in advance, it's not like there's any real surprise that there is limited time.
As for the potential for matters to backfire into violence, at least in Northern Ireland, this was precisely the argument of Remainers that was widely dismissed as fearmongering. Those that seek violence need very little encouragement, but Brexit seems to be providing it in spades. I can only speak for those I know, but political divisions are hardening here - the willingness of nationalists to see themselves as Northern Irish is diminishing and, if the language of the DUP is anything to go by, things aren't much better within Unionism.
Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls. But that cannot be agreed in advance of a deal being agreed without agreeing in advance to a possible part of the deal.
I am not surprised that attitudes are hardening because of this unnecessary posturing. It seems that in the Tory Party as well there are Remain MPs who resent the way this is being done by the EU.
'Once a trade deal is done a way will be found to minimise border controls'..go on, I'm all ears.
Just to be helpful there are 400km of land border in Ireland, and at least 300 crossing points, so, do tell us about this way that will be found.
Explain how the border would work if you are travelling from Gannons Cross to Clones on the N54/A3?
Personally I wish it would stop but this is clearly a case of two posters winding each other up to me, one of whom happily gets himself involved in plenty of silly name calling and trolling for reactions so it's a bit rich portraying him as a bit of a victim.
Fwiw I take him at his word and believe he does have a PhD.10 -
Has anyone changed their mind yet?
Or are the usual suspects throwing insults around, on both sides, to massage their own false sense of self worth and importance?
Having read through most of the last 200 or so posts that I'd missed out on it seems that everyone is either lying, talking 'shit', failing to understand what others are saying, misquoting or just linking the Guardian newspaper.
It's nearly Christmas, everyone. Crack a smile, as hard as that may be.
Let's not forget that we've also got a lovely royal wedding to look forward to. That should bring the country together.4 -
*suggests other posters are throwing insults around*
*insults all other posters*
Good work, BBW.
Meanwhile, does anyone think it's a bit "off" of David Davis to treat Parliament with obvious and embarrassing contempt by obfuscating and redacting the impact analysis?8 -
Not forgetting the sky high corporation tax that Gib charge on profit made by Gib companies. .....er.... hold on.....oh.bobmunro said:
Personal income tax aside, most of them went over there to avoid paying UK betting tax - but got caught out when the UK treasury introduced Point of Consumption tax (previously it was where the servers were located that determined the betting tax regime).cafcpolo said:
Probably why they voted to stay...Isn't the lower rate of tax / capped limit the main reason all of these companies went over in the first place?bobmunro said:
It isn't Gibraltar's gambling laws - it is UK bookmakers based in Gibraltar holding licences in other EU countries (and working on gaining licences in others as and when they regulate). They gain guaranteed access, courtesy of the Treaty of Rome, to those markets by being EU based companies, which will change of course. Malta is rubbing its hands!!Chizz said:
Bob, why do Gibraltar's gambling laws require access to the single market? I'm sure you're right, I just don't understand why this is the case. Can you explain?bobmunro said:
A hard Brexit would have a huge impact on Gibraltar's economy - most of which currently relies on gambling duty and financial services, both of which require access to the single market.se9addick said:
Most people in the UK forget Gibraltar exists (apart for when it's time for some good old fashioned Falklands style jingoism) let alone have considered what the impact of Brexit might be on the rock.CharltonMadrid said:Has there been any progress on the status of Gibraltar yet? I haven't seen much mention of it all and it is in the best interest of both Spain and the UK to have some clarity. I know Spain are keen to get their hands on it, but they also recognise the importance it has for employment with a huge number of Andaucians travelling over the border for work.
Its tax status and concerns over cigarette smuggling have been the main points of contention rather than any jingoistic reasons, so ultimately it will be practicality that dictates what happens, but it does seem there has been little discussion of the issue.
Rarely contribute to this any more for reasons already stated but still enjoy reading the thread and it provides a lot of insight for us living abroad but still involved with what is happening in the UK. Thanks folks.
There is one notable exception who have always paid UK betting tax on their UK business
Perhaps not.
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Not forgetting the sky high corporation tax that Gib charge on profit made by Gib companies. .....er.... hold on.....oh.bobmunro said:
Personal income tax aside, most of them went over there to avoid paying UK betting tax - but got caught out when the UK treasury introduced Point of Consumption tax (previously it was where the servers were located that determined the betting tax regime).cafcpolo said:
Probably why they voted to stay...Isn't the lower rate of tax / capped limit the main reason all of these companies went over in the first place?bobmunro said:
It isn't Gibraltar's gambling laws - it is UK bookmakers based in Gibraltar holding licences in other EU countries (and working on gaining licences in others as and when they regulate). They gain guaranteed access, courtesy of the Treaty of Rome, to those markets by being EU based companies, which will change of course. Malta is rubbing its hands!!Chizz said:
Bob, why do Gibraltar's gambling laws require access to the single market? I'm sure you're right, I just don't understand why this is the case. Can you explain?bobmunro said:
A hard Brexit would have a huge impact on Gibraltar's economy - most of which currently relies on gambling duty and financial services, both of which require access to the single market.se9addick said:
Most people in the UK forget Gibraltar exists (apart for when it's time for some good old fashioned Falklands style jingoism) let alone have considered what the impact of Brexit might be on the rock.CharltonMadrid said:Has there been any progress on the status of Gibraltar yet? I haven't seen much mention of it all and it is in the best interest of both Spain and the UK to have some clarity. I know Spain are keen to get their hands on it, but they also recognise the importance it has for employment with a huge number of Andaucians travelling over the border for work.
Its tax status and concerns over cigarette smuggling have been the main points of contention rather than any jingoistic reasons, so ultimately it will be practicality that dictates what happens, but it does seem there has been little discussion of the issue.
Rarely contribute to this any more for reasons already stated but still enjoy reading the thread and it provides a lot of insight for us living abroad but still involved with what is happening in the UK. Thanks folks.
There is one notable exception who have always paid UK betting tax on their UK business
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You obviously didn't understand my post and evidently missed the blatant sarcasm embedded within it.Chizz said:*suggests other posters are throwing insults around*
*insults all other posters*
Good work, BBW.
Meanwhile, does anyone think it's a bit "off" of David Davis to treat Parliament with obvious and embarrassing contempt by obfuscating and reacting the impact analysis?
That's fine though. Not everyone is quick on the uptake.
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Millwall's take on royal wedding in case you missed it, stay classyBig_Bad_World said:Has anyone changed their mind yet?
Or are the usual suspects throwing insults around, on both sides, to massage their own false sense of self worth and importance?
Having read through most of the last 200 or so posts that I'd missed out on it seems that everyone is either lying, talking 'shit', failing to understand what others are saying, misquoting or just linking the Guardian newspaper.
It's nearly Christmas, everyone. Crack a smile, as hard as that may be.
Let's not forget that we've also got a lovely royal wedding to look forward to. That should bring the country together.
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