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More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me, that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should be nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.9 -
For what it's worth I actually prefer the current colour of the passports. A blue one is alien to me seeing as I'm 33 and I suspect most of the people aged 40 or below will feel the same.11
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Exactly. And I swear that my parent's passports in the 80s were black. I know I lost and need to get over it etc but this blue passport thing is really pissing me off.bellz2002 said:For what it's worth I actually prefer the current colour of the passports. A blue one is alien to me seeing as I'm 33 and I suspect most of the people aged 40 or below will feel the same.
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We need a referendum on the colour of the passport.0
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#thankyoubbcse9addick said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253
Good to see the government are concentrating on the really important matters0 -
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.0 -
Brilliant, get a blue passport which gets me less access to countries.
A local passport for local people11 -
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....1 -
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.0 -
Full Brexit?Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
Is this about the transition period, or a variation on hard and soft?0 -
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I mean the system that is widely recognised and adhered to, including outside the EU, because of the EU's negotiating strength.Dippenhall said:
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
And, yes, like the ECSC, the EU draws from and incorporates previous examples - so that the Stresa Convention has been supplanted by EU standards, which go beyond those of the Stresa Convention - so that, today, the rules by which a wide variety of regional produce, not just cheeses, is internationally protected, is actually only through the existence of the rules and existence of the EU.
As an aside, given that the Stresa Convention was ratified by Austria, Denmark, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland, although apparently not the United Kngdom, I am not sure how it would be the case that UK cheeses would be protected.2 -
Seriously, in the overall scheme of things who gives a f*ck about cheese?Dippenhall said:
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
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@Red_in_SE8 do you want a fight?Red_in_SE8 said:
The ignorant racist morons are easily pleased!i_b_b_o_r_g said:
#thankyoubbcse9addick said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253
Good to see the government are concentrating on the really important matters0 -
Come on, Rob - be sensible.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
@Red_in_SE8 do you want a fight?Red_in_SE8 said:
The ignorant racist morons are easily pleased!i_b_b_o_r_g said:
#thankyoubbcse9addick said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253
Good to see the government are concentrating on the really important matters
It’s the busiest time of the year for Makros.1 -
We'll have to do it on the cobbles then, will you be my cornerman Robert?bobmunro said:
Come on, Rob - be sensible.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
@Red_in_SE8 do you want a fight?Red_in_SE8 said:
The ignorant racist morons are easily pleased!i_b_b_o_r_g said:
#thankyoubbcse9addick said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253
Good to see the government are concentrating on the really important matters
It’s the busiest time of the year for Makros.0 -
So we are leaving the EU to better protect our cheeses because the current EU legislation is based on our own rules?Dippenhall said:
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
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Post - Transitional final end of full EU membershipseth plum said:
Full Brexit?Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
Is this about the transition period, or a variation on hard and soft?
I'm calling it full Brexit and copyrighting the term.0 -
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.0 -
This is dramatic news, are you saying the new blue- coloured British passport is going to restrict our access to countries that we can currently visit with the burgundy one ?Rothko said:Brilliant, get a blue passport which gets me less access to countries.
A local passport for local people
Does our Government know this ?0 -
So the world population is set to steadily increase, but through the magic of Brexit our own population will miraculously buck that trend and decrease. I'd say you're living in a dreamland, but I feel that massively understates just how out of touch with reality your statement is.Valiantphil said:
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.2 -
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The government has said the blue passport will "restore national identity".
I'm so glad my national identity will be restored by a document that spends 99.9% of its valid lifespan in my sock drawer. In fact I was completely unaware my national identity had been eroded at all until the government has told me otherwise.
Will I still enjoy access to the dozens on countries including the rights to settle and work in those countries as well as all the privileges of the previous passport such as EHIC and mobile phone roaming caps or is a side-effect of this magical identity restoring document be the loss of some or all of the benefits the previous passport granted?10 -
Not your place in France then?Valiantphil said:
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.2 -
The Stresa convention was a good starting point, but it was very limited in scope covering a restricted range of products and was only ratified by eight countries (the UK wasn't amongst them). Just in case your readers thought that large scale international cooperation was possible without sufficient infrastructure.Dippenhall said:
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Right, who's next up to be King for an Hour in the Cheese Designation Googling stakes?4 -
Bloody great, we did all this for nothing then! I can't believe how ungrateful some people are about the benefits of Brexit, it beggars belief.bellz2002 said:For what it's worth I actually prefer the current colour of the passports. A blue one is alien to me seeing as I'm 33 and I suspect most of the people aged 40 or below will feel the same.
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Are you mad?bobmunro said:
Seriously, in the overall scheme of things who gives a f*ck about cheese?Dippenhall said:
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
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Philistinebobmunro said:
Seriously, in the overall scheme of things who gives a f*ck about cheese?Dippenhall said:
You mean the system the EU copied from the International 1951 Stresa Convention on cheeses. Just in case your readers thought only the existence of the EU protects our regional cheeses.NornIrishAddick said:Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....0 -
Vegetarian cheese.
Just putting that out there.0 -
I never buy cheese with meat inseth plum said:Vegetarian cheese.
Just putting that out there.1 -
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/22/blue-passports-taking-back-control-imposed-league-of-nations-burgundy-passport-eu
Seems we could have had a blue passport all along. Nothing to do with eu membership!
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In fairness, it's not entirely true to suggest it was nothing to do with the EU, but, like most of the factors for which the EU gets the blame, the choice was entirely the UK's sovereign decision.Chaz Hill said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/22/blue-passports-taking-back-control-imposed-league-of-nations-burgundy-passport-eu
Seems we could have had a blue passport all along. Nothing to do with eu membership!
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