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Fair comment. Thought the US influence was interesting. I suppose we could just save time and formally apply to become the 51st state.NornIrishAddick said:
In fairness, it's not entirely true to suggest it was nothing to do with the EU, but, like most of the factors for which the EU gets the blame, the choice was entirely the UK's sovereign decision.Chaz Hill said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/22/blue-passports-taking-back-control-imposed-league-of-nations-burgundy-passport-eu
Seems we could have had a blue passport all along. Nothing to do with eu membership!2 -
But surely, seeing as post Brexit UK is going to be such a hell hole - with everything failing etc - why would people come or stay heee.randy andy said:
So the world population is set to steadily increase, but through the magic of Brexit our own population will miraculously buck that trend and decrease. I'd say you're living in a dreamland, but I feel that massively understates just how out of touch with reality your statement is.Valiantphil said:
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.
p.s. Dreamland will be a housing estate before then, so I won't be the only one living there
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No, I prefer the Spanos to the Frenchies.Bournemouth Addick said:
Not your place in France then?Valiantphil said:
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.0 -
All this rubbish about colour of passports.
I'm not lucky enough to be able to afford to go abroad.
Also Europe is this last place I would have wanted to work in.
Sick of some of the stupid Remainers long winded comments
on a football forum, some really sad people about!1 -
Seriously, what the hell are you doing on this thread if that's how you feel?Jensenwasclass said:All this rubbish about colour of passports.
I'm not lucky enough to be able to afford to go abroad.
Also Europe is this last place I would have wanted to work in.
Sick of some of the stupid Remainers long winded comments
on a football forum, some really sad people about!9 -
Interesting that it was Mrs Thatcher who was PM when that sovereign decision to get rid of the blue passport was taken.....Chaz Hill said:
Fair comment. Thought the US influence was interesting. I suppose we could just save time and formally apply to become the 51st state.NornIrishAddick said:
In fairness, it's not entirely true to suggest it was nothing to do with the EU, but, like most of the factors for which the EU gets the blame, the choice was entirely the UK's sovereign decision.Chaz Hill said:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/22/blue-passports-taking-back-control-imposed-league-of-nations-burgundy-passport-eu
Seems we could have had a blue passport all along. Nothing to do with eu membership!1 -
I think the passport colour thing is an irrelevant focal point. The negotiations haven’t gone well regardless of whether you voted remain or leave. I don’t think anyone is happy so far. I think using and talking of this as a symbol of our independence from Europe as May has, is yet another example of them missing the pulse of what people from both sides actually want.
It amazes me they sort of come up and emphasise this shit. It should be a simple press release, we’ve decided to change our passports to blue given that we are no longer going to be in the EU. We shouldn’t have terms like symbol thrown about. Who gives a fuck8 -
Some people give a fuckcabbles said:I think the passport colour thing is an irrelevant focal point. The negotiations haven’t gone well regardless of whether you voted remain or leave. I don’t think anyone is happy so far. I think using and talking of this as a symbol of our independence from Europe as May has, is yet another example of them missing the pulse of what people from both sides actually want.
It amazes me they sort of come up and emphasise this shit. It should be a simple press release, we’ve decided to change our passports to blue given that we are no longer going to be in the EU. We shouldn’t have terms like symbol thrown about. Who gives a fuck
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That is the most ridiculous chart I have ever seen, the vast majority have got zero chance of happening. If that's what people really thought they'd get then they were voting for some form of childish dream fulfilment rather than anything like realistic policy.2
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Pounds and ounces LOLMcBobbin said:
Some people give a fuckcabbles said:I think the passport colour thing is an irrelevant focal point. The negotiations haven’t gone well regardless of whether you voted remain or leave. I don’t think anyone is happy so far. I think using and talking of this as a symbol of our independence from Europe as May has, is yet another example of them missing the pulse of what people from both sides actually want.
It amazes me they sort of come up and emphasise this shit. It should be a simple press release, we’ve decided to change our passports to blue given that we are no longer going to be in the EU. We shouldn’t have terms like symbol thrown about. Who gives a fuck2 -
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#BringBackBurgundyPassports
They're all I've ever known and feel British to me. I don't want a blue passport like the Americans have.2 -
Number bases and mathematics.
When we were kids we had to learn loads of different number bases, as well as going up in tens, there was going up in twelves for inches and pennies, going up in twenties for shillings to a pound. Going up in eights for pints to a gallon and so on.
So you might get a question like add up 12 shillings and 8 pence, to 8 shillings and 9 pence and the answer would be 1 pound 1 shilling and 5 pence.
Written as £1 1s 5d.
Probably only us old gits could get
£ s d
2 11 9
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1 10 7
£4 2s 4d
Arithmetically the general population had a wider and deeper level of skill than the present generation that use a calculator to do 9+8.
So one of the regrettable things about decimalisation, which i believe came about in an attempt to harmonise with the EU and the world, was a decline in agile and basic mental arithmetic.
I think the UK should stay in the EU and convert the continent to Imperial, because in the old days we could at least divide a quid into three equal parts (six shillings and eightpence).0 -
I'm taking the fact that this graphic bears the Independent and Statista logos that it's true and not some sort of a joke. It is just incredible. As backwards as corporal and capital punishment seem to me, I get it that there are valid arguments to be had on the other side. Passports? Sure, some people might prefer blue, it seems like an irrelevance to me but nothing to worry about. Then we've got ounces, incandescence and farthings. Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense. Is this really the stuff that we are wrecking our economy for? Anyone who thinks that these should be brought back is just looking to relive their Victorian youth. There is no rationality to be had here and nothing that's of any use to the future. Can someone please go and visit these people, put on a Vera Lynn record and comfort them that the war will be over by Christmas.McBobbin said:
Some people give a fuckcabbles said:I think the passport colour thing is an irrelevant focal point. The negotiations haven’t gone well regardless of whether you voted remain or leave. I don’t think anyone is happy so far. I think using and talking of this as a symbol of our independence from Europe as May has, is yet another example of them missing the pulse of what people from both sides actually want.
It amazes me they sort of come up and emphasise this shit. It should be a simple press release, we’ve decided to change our passports to blue given that we are no longer going to be in the EU. We shouldn’t have terms like symbol thrown about. Who gives a fuck2 -
I think that it shows that the brexit voters that took part in that poll (not that the poll is representative of all brexit voters), just want the pastStig said:
I'm taking the fact that this graphic bears the Independent and Statista logos that it's true and not some sort of a joke. It is just incredible. As backwards as corporal and capital punishment seem to me, I get it that there are valid arguments to be had on the other side. Passports? Sure, some people might prefer blue, it seems like an irrelevance to me but nothing to worry about. Then we've got ounces, incandescence and farthings. Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense. Is this really the stuff that we are wrecking our economy for? Anyone who thinks that these should be brought back is just looking to relive their Victorian youth. There is no rationality to be had here and nothing that's of any use to the future. Can someone please go and visit these people, put on a Vera Lynn record and comfort them that the war will be over by Christmas.McBobbin said:
Some people give a fuckcabbles said:I think the passport colour thing is an irrelevant focal point. The negotiations haven’t gone well regardless of whether you voted remain or leave. I don’t think anyone is happy so far. I think using and talking of this as a symbol of our independence from Europe as May has, is yet another example of them missing the pulse of what people from both sides actually want.
It amazes me they sort of come up and emphasise this shit. It should be a simple press release, we’ve decided to change our passports to blue given that we are no longer going to be in the EU. We shouldn’t have terms like symbol thrown about. Who gives a fuck1 -
What are the arguments for corporal punishment in schools that aren't fucking insane?0
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I am fervently against myself, but I expect there's something valid to be said about discipline (I'm more than happy to be shot down in flames here though - if that isn't to corporal).Leuth said:What are the arguments for corporal punishment in schools that aren't fucking insane?
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Discipline never has to involve an adult beating up a child10
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Try telling that to the Christian Brothers, or any of the other sociopathic groups involved in education in the 1950s and 1960s, which I am reliably informed were the halcyon, and soon to be repeated, days when the UK had everything it could possibly desire...Leuth said:Discipline never has to involve an adult beating up a child
Where do you stand on cheek lifts?
Naturally, if the recipient, it was on tiptoes.0 -
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However the question after brexit is, what do the Spanos think about you?Valiantphil said:
No, I prefer the Spanos to the Frenchies.Bournemouth Addick said:
Not your place in France then?Valiantphil said:
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.
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Probably the same, maybe worse - unlikely to be better than at present.PragueAddick said:
However the question after brexit is, what do the Spanos think about you?Valiantphil said:
No, I prefer the Spanos to the Frenchies.Bournemouth Addick said:
Not your place in France then?Valiantphil said:
I agree, Brexit is all about the decades, not the next few years.Bournemouth Addick said:
I hope you're right on that, yet you seem very happy for the "talking heads" around today to lead our country down some really stupid avenues? These effects will last decades not until the next election.Valiantphil said:
He won't be in Government by the time full Brexit happens, nor will many of the talking heads of today.Bournemouth Addick said:
More deflection.Valiantphil said:
Be fair, we had to sack Mandelson dozens of timesBournemouth Addick said:
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.Chaz Hill said:
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).NornIrishAddick said:
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.Imissthepeanutman said:
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.NornIrishAddick said:
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.Imissthepeanutman said:I agree with Gove on cheese.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
If you read the story, Liam Fox is attempting to bury the details of any future trade negotiations with the US, not just while they are ongoing, but for years afterwards. So we won't know, just for example, whether there has been any discussions/agreement allowing GM crop producers access to the UK in time. Neither will Parliament be able to scrutinise the deal it seems. Another win for taking back control though eh?
This is the same Liam Fox btw who took his friend to work with him at the MOD, on official overseas trips, taking part in security meetings, etc. when he had no security clearance whatsoever IIRC. It's a shame he wasn't so keen on protecting who had proper access to classified information back then.
It staggers me that others are prepared to hand over such enormous unchecked influence over where this country is going, to individuals who should br nowhere near Parliament, let alone be in the Cabinet.
And that's before we get to the likes of Lynn Truss facing down huge multinationals looking to exploit our economic weakness in rolling back our current safeguards, etc.
Decades where the population of the UK will top out at 70m and then (hopefully) start a steady reduction back to a manageable figure.
It probably won't affect me, I will be in Catalonia with my blue passport.
But who cares ?
Anyway, I'm heading to Catalonia (prob won't be Spain by then) because I like the way they are so pro-EU that they sent their main man to Brussels before he even got elected 0 -
Well soon you'll be getting chlorinated chicken, like the Americans, and you'll be bloody grateful for your sovereignty with every delicious bite!Callumcafc said:#BringBackBurgundyPassports
They're all I've ever known and feel British to me. I don't want a blue passport like the Americans have.0 -
We're in a generational culture war, and the Tories have picked the over 55s and a subset of the leave vote. the effect on the tories will start to be seen in the elections in May, where they'll be wiped out in cities, will be brutal for them in London
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Think of the poor sod who’s got Danny Green in his corner.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
We'll have to do it on the cobbles then, will you be my cornerman Robert?bobmunro said:
Come on, Rob - be sensible.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
@Red_in_SE8 do you want a fight?Red_in_SE8 said:
The ignorant racist morons are easily pleased!i_b_b_o_r_g said:
#thankyoubbcse9addick said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253
Good to see the government are concentrating on the really important matters
It’s the busiest time of the year for Makros.0 -
Yep, that chart reflects the age of voters more than anything else.
The Tories have been going for the older vote at the expense of the younger voters, but corbyn has energised that vote. It's now become yet another them Vs us scenario. Expect the Tories to desperately try to appeal to the youth at the next election. Makes their (not ridiculous) dementia tax and dropping the triple lock to a double lock idea seem very foolish politically0 -
As an older voter I have never voted Tory and didn't vote brexit, so there are exceptions.5
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Yeah, and the same goes for Tory/brexit voting younger people. The whole notion of branding whole groups of people with the same brush is ridiculous, whatever the general trends areseth plum said:As an older voter I have never voted Tory and didn't vote brexit, so there are exceptions.
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You liberals are the reason everything is so bad. Flog em !Leuth said:What are the arguments for corporal punishment in schools that aren't fucking insane?
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The message from corporal punishment and also smacking is that it is OK for big people to hit little people.
Not really a main brexit issue though.0
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