The influence of the EU on Britain.

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

I'm not whinging, my learned friend. Far from it. I was just suggesting some variation to your repertoire.

Just in case you've missed my multiple admissions, I voted Remain and would do so again.

Sorry to urinate on your French fries.

You are suggesting variation to my repertoire?

Get real! How stupid do you think people on here are?

Have you not heard the phrase 'Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit'. You resort to sarcasm in virtually all of your posts. I suggest you teach yourself what sarcasm is so that you can recognise it in your own posts before you click on the 'Post Comment ' button.

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

I'm not whinging, my learned friend. Far from it. I was just suggesting some variation to your repertoire.

Just in case you've missed my multiple admissions, I voted Remain and would do so again.

Sorry to urinate on your French fries.

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

Chippycafc said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

Mountain of evidence from the guardian...where's the intelligence based argument coming from. Like an old record going round and round.

seth plum said:

Chippycafc said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

Mountain of evidence from the guardian...where's the intelligence based argument coming from. Like an old record going round and round.

Go for it.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

Mountain of evidence from the guardian...where's the intelligence based argument coming from. Like an old record going round and round.

Even you chippy don’t believe that.

PragueAddick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

I'm not whinging, my learned friend. Far from it. I was just suggesting some variation to your repertoire.

Just in case you've missed my multiple admissions, I voted Remain and would do so again.

Sorry to urinate on your French fries.

I could have missed it earlier , my remarkably learned Spanner friend, but that is the first time I have seen you write unequivocally that you actually voted Remain. Previously you were a touch ambiguous on the subject. This is a most welcome step forward, and a sign that you are finally getting the hang of this CL thing.

What, as a matter of interest, were (are) the key factors in your decision?

bobmunro said:

PragueAddick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Red_in_SE8 said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Chippycafc said:

Chizz said:

Meanwhile, a huge post-Brexit boost has been announced. Seven - yes, seven! - skyscrapers are planned. And this could mean big contracts for British construction firms.

Big post-Brexit boost: seven new skyscrapers planned.

Only one, slight snag...

Great news, they will then be able to turn back all those undesirables before they get to Calais as they will able to see them miles from that area. No doubt the French will only put in windows looking North. We can then get our £44million back.

Yep. That's pretty much the level of debate that convinced sufficient people to scrape the initial referendum win.

If a couple of million is a scrape, wouldn't mind having a scrape or two in my bank.

A couple of million in an electorate of over 46 million would, indeed, be a scrape. But, of course, it was substantially less than that. As you know.

Don't care. 1 was enough. As you know.

This is tautology, chippy mate. We already know you don't care about facts.

Whose we, you and fiish.

And me. And anyone else, whether they are quitter or remainer, who can read.

This is a nice piece - fairly simplistic.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-aiken/youre-not-hearing-what-im-saying/10160043548015691/

This was almost on page 3, shame someone has to raise their head and spoil it. Still nothing like a good old whinge.

You are in for a frustrating eighteen months if you think people are going to stop pointing out the sheer moronic stupidity of the Brexit vote on this thread!

Don't forget racist, bigoted, uneducated, ill informed, xenophobic, fiscally challenged, little Englander, closed minded, selfish and youth future ruining arseholes.

This seems to be the only tactic deployed by the Brexiteers over the last 6 months. Constantly whinge about being called nasty names! What about presenting intelligent fact based arguments to contest the mountain of evidence that has emerged since the referendum proving that Brexit will be a complete disaster for the UK for generations to come?

I'm not whinging, my learned friend. Far from it. I was just suggesting some variation to your repertoire.

Just in case you've missed my multiple admissions, I voted Remain and would do so again.

Sorry to urinate on your French fries.

I could have missed it earlier , my remarkably learned Spanner friend, but that is the first time I have seen you write unequivocally that you actually voted Remain. Previously you were a touch ambiguous on the subject. This is a most welcome step forward, and a sign that you are finally getting the hang of this CL thing.

What, as a matter of interest, were (are) the key factors in your decision?

Not that the smallwall slaaaaaaaag needs it - but in defence of BBW he made it clear from the very start that he was a remainer.

(Note the subtle use of sarcasm there, BBW, or is it irony rather than sarcasm? Both high forms of wit in my non-sarcastic, non-ironic opinion).

Fiiish said:

Chippycafc said:

Fiiish said:

Chippycafc said:

Fiiish said:

Chippycafc said:

Fiiish said:

Rob7Lee said:

Fiiish said:

Rothko said:

Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit
Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.

STEPHEN BUSH

In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).

It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.


But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)

The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)

Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.

A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.

There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.

That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....

It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.

As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 e

soapy_jones said:

Yep. Nothing changes. Back in another 6 months...

Wait for me mate I'm with you.

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

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stonemuse said:

Algarveaddick said:

http://www.indelicates.com/brexit/

Bit too much of a rant and the below is incorrect, at least from my perspective.

I have outlined previously that there are circumstances which would persuade me to change my mind. Plus I do care, very much so. He is the one who sounds intransigent.


The problem, I guess, is that there's no arguing with you. No convincing to be done. You've heard the arguments, and the competing facts, and you don't care anymore.

Unfortunately the Chippy's of this world are far more prevalent than the Stonemuses mate. I don't agree with all of it either, but the frustration he feels resonates.

I don't agree that immigrants drive down wages either - greedy bosses do that...

Mind... I could always be like the algarves of this world and contribute nothing but expect a say.