The influence of the EU on Britain.
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Good news, but how does the EU fit into this.NapaAddick said:Newport 1, Tott 0, 38min
Newport are completely outplaying them.
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oops, wrong thread! Haha. Sorry.2
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Are Newport remain, and Spurs Brexit?NapaAddick said:Newport 1, Tott 0, 38min
Newport are completely outplaying them.
Come on Newport.
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pretty sure North London voted Remain and Wales voted Leave1
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Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were their own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.
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England was 53.4% leave.NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were the own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.1 -
Would you believe me if I said neither?stonemuse said:Heard a new one today ... looks like a hard and soft remain too
What sort of Remain did you vote for, exactly?. Was it...
1. Soft-Remain (the current EU without changes within the bloc's structure, or among EU member states' stances toward it), or...
2. Hard-Remain (the envisaged United States of EU by 2025)?
I don't believe that the EU would not have continued to evolve, in the same way as it has to date, with the UK as an important, even leading, member state.
However, I cannot see a situation where a United States of Europe would come into being any time soon, never mind by 2025.
The only likely scenario, IMHO, that would lead to the EU becoming a United States of Europe in my lifetime would be where, if the older members could become sufficiently pissed off with some of the Visegrad states, a core bloc left the EU en masse and created a new EU.
The chances were, if anything, greater in the 1980s - the EU might be a very different proposition if the Berlin Wall had not fallen for another ten years.3 -
So the map is a bit misleading? Sounds like you are saying it won a narrow margin even in all the areas it won?stonemuse said:
England was 53.4% leave.NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were the own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.0 -
Dunno but if this game was played on june 22nd 2016 score would be 1-0 to spurs... Be careful seth will say brexit has made spurs be shit. And its all my fault.stonemuse said:
Good news, but how does the EU fit into this.NapaAddick said:Newport 1, Tott 0, 38min
Newport are completely outplaying them.0 -
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Maybe spurs are worried about their attack crossing their border... Looked fairly seamless at times. I am sure spurs fans never voted for that.stonemuse said:
Good news, but how does the EU fit into this.NapaAddick said:Newport 1, Tott 0, 38min
Newport are completely outplaying them.0 -
I live in Hampshire... Good patriots.stonemuse said:
England was 53.4% leave.NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were the own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.0 -
Is that tiny spec in norfolk.._represent the 6 or 7 (sorry have to count 2 as 1) remainers here. If so well done.stonemuse said:
England was 53.4% leave.NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were the own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.0 -
Can't believe Texas and the South haven't thought of becoming their own country before !NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were their own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.
In answer to your question, I don't want Scotland to leave the UK, this is our country - we're in it for the long run and we can't just break bits of it off because it would be politically expedient at the time.2 -
If you're going to mention me, then perhaps you can apologise for calling me a liar...but then again that would take a bit of class on your part so would represent a massive challenge for you.Chippycafc said:
Dunno but if this game was played on june 22nd 2016 score would be 1-0 to spurs... Be careful seth will say brexit has made spurs be shit. And its all my fault.stonemuse said:
Good news, but how does the EU fit into this.NapaAddick said:Newport 1, Tott 0, 38min
Newport are completely outplaying them.3 -
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were their own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.
Same question, rephrased: "how bad would it be that the United Kingdom no longer existed?"
I suggest it would be pretty bloody awful. And for it to come about as the result of an unnecessary vanity project of a political party with the merest, most tenuous hold in Scotland would have been reprehensible.
Sure you can look at the map and carve it up in a number of ways. You could say "why doesn't Sadiq Khan declare London is its own country state?" and propose that, as the richest (per capita) city in Europe, it deserves to inherit the EU seat vacated by the rest of the EU. This, of course is nonsense.
We are a single country. No one region got to vote on the outcome for itself, instead we each voted how we wanted the whole country's relationship with the EU to be.
If Scotland chooses to vote again on an independence referendum and, this time chooses to leave the UK, then the first thing that needs to happen is for the EU referendum to be declared null and void. Because, of course, we were voting on behalf of a country that no longer exists. And, before holding another such vote, there would be an awful lot of clearing up for the remainder of the UK to do. Like creating a constitution, devising a method of government, deciding on how a parliament should be convened and operate, electing the first members of the elected chamber of the parliament, working out how members of any other chambers are chosen...
Scotland leaving the UK before the UK leaves the EU would mean the Brexit vote is scrapped. But Scotland waiting until the UK leaves the EU makes even less sense.1 -
Was never bothered about the breakdown of the uk map just glad my vote won. Had i known it would have been so damming for the uk remain vote in England i would have voted remain just to make it a bit fairer. Good to see the majority of those post here.0
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There hasn't been a big swing in favour of independence in Scotland despite the likelihood that Scotland will leave along with the UK, that would suggest that majority of Scots want to be in the EU, but they want to be in the UK more.1
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Any chance the rest of us could have a chance to vote to leave Hampshire?2
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And to add to my post above, give fair and balanced views especially from social and paper media.0
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More people live in cities.NapaAddick said:
So the map is a bit misleading? Sounds like you are saying it won a narrow margin even in all the areas it won?stonemuse said:
England was 53.4% leave.NapaAddick said:Serious question and I am open-minded to the answer...
If Scotland were removed, the vote to leave the EU is rather overwhelming in Britain, no?
How bad would it really be for England if Scotland stayed in the EU and England left? And if the country really did split?
Some in the US have wondered if everyone would be happier if Texas and The South were the own country. It would be overwhelmingly Republican and the remainder of the US would be quite Democrat, and more like Western Europe.1 -
The Brexit elite Tory sleeze bags up and running and busy lining their own pockets as they fuck up the country for the next generation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrew-lansley-peter-lilley-and-andrew-mitchell-ride-brexit-gravy-train-mgh6c2z28?shareToken=7f5f987dd90c7f455c3fea604d8716251 -
This government is rotting from the inside out. Sleeze, inappropriate behaviour and utter incompetence.Red_in_SE8 said:The Brexit elite Tory sleeve bags up and running and busy lining their own pockets as they fuck up the country for the next generation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrew-lansley-peter-lilley-and-andrew-mitchell-ride-brexit-gravy-train-mgh6c2z28?shareToken=7f5f987dd90c7f455c3fea604d871625
Seems to happen to all governments that have been in office too long.
I hope this gets the coverage it deserves.
Ps. What’s a sleeve bag ?
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This government is rotting from the inside out. Sleeze, inappropriate behaviour and utter incompetence.Red_in_SE8 said:The Brexit elite Tory sleeve bags up and running and busy lining their own pockets as they fuck up the country for the next generation.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrew-lansley-peter-lilley-and-andrew-mitchell-ride-brexit-gravy-train-mgh6c2z28?shareToken=7f5f987dd90c7f455c3fea604d871625
Seems to happen to all governments that have been in office too long.
I hope this gets the coverage it deserves.
Ps. What’s a sleeve bag ?0 -
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Very worthwhile investigation ... important that this gets stopped in its tracks and politicians work for us not themselves.Red_in_SE8 said:0 -
That’ll never catch on.stonemuse said:
Very worthwhile investigation ... important that this gets stopped in its tracks and politicians work for us not themselves.Red_in_SE8 said:
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It appears time is running out for our beleaguered P.M. Mrs May.
If she goes it could throw the whole Brexit scenario into more division within the Tory party and Parliament.
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The divisions within the party have reached breaking point. Rees-Mogg wants Hammond sacked because he’s the only senior obstacle to the loonies getting their hard Brexit and telling the 27 to do one once May is ousted which looks increasingly likely now.
Who on earth will take her place. The runners and riders are like the muppet show.1
