The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I'd be interested to know how much that (moving to the peninsular) would cost. I imagine land in the area no longer comes cheap. There's also the cost of building a stadium large enough to cope with the kind of crowds you'd hope to get in the Premier League. Can't see there'd be any point in building a smaller stadium - that would be an admission of defeat, before you've even got started.Garrymanilow said:
Would it be though? They wouldn't be able to change the name, that's been established. Cardiff's mad owner tried changing the kit, and he had shit all luck with that and changed it back; even he knew he'd crossed a line. Maybe the ground would become the Red Bull Valley, maybe we'd move, but I think we have to accept being based where we are that one day there's a serious chance an owner will try and move us to the Peninsula. As for the logo, yeah, we might get a new one with bulls on it, but we could also get one with a bloke dying of heartburn like Leeds or some weird cartoon pirate ship like City regardless of who owns us.cantersaddick said:Dear God. Please not Red Bull.
Would really be RIP Charlton.
RD is slowly killing the club, RB would be a quick death of Charlton. There will be a club with a similar name in a different ground and different kit but it won't be Charlton. Not to me anyway.
That would be it for football for me.
I know it's just one dodgy Twitter account but I cannot emphasise enough how bad this will be.
If we've learned anything from RD's failed experiment, as well as the quick about-turns of the owners of Hull, Cardiff and others, it's that football fans in this country, you and me, are a bunch of bastards and you can't sell us anything we don't want to buy if it concerns our club. Sure, Red Bull have been able to pick up clapped out teams - a fifth division team and a team who had already changed their name for sponsorship money before - with little history and little interest but we are not that. I don't think we're being bought by RB for a second but I really don't think they'd have much luck pulling the heart out of the club if they tried; RD's been actively trying to kill us for years and as soon as he gets his money he's running for his life away from us as fast as he can. We like to say that RD bought the wrong club, and we will continue to be the wrong club for anyone stupid enough to come in with any agenda other than winning football matches and trying not to go out of business
Obviously some funding would come from the sale of The Valley [sob].
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Great post Garry. If there's one thing positive to come out of the Two Shats era, it's that the fans have shown what they can do when faced with unsuitable ownership. Hopefully that'll be enough to put only well-intentioned suitors in the frame.Garrymanilow said:
Would it be though? They wouldn't be able to change the name, that's been established. Cardiff's mad owner tried changing the kit, and he had shit all luck with that and changed it back; even he knew he'd crossed a line. Maybe the ground would become the Red Bull Valley, maybe we'd move, but I think we have to accept being based where we are that one day there's a serious chance an owner will try and move us to the Peninsula. As for the logo, yeah, we might get a new one with bulls on it, but we could also get one with a bloke dying of heartburn like Leeds or some weird cartoon pirate ship like City regardless of who owns us.cantersaddick said:Dear God. Please not Red Bull.
Would really be RIP Charlton.
RD is slowly killing the club, RB would be a quick death of Charlton. There will be a club with a similar name in a different ground and different kit but it won't be Charlton. Not to me anyway.
That would be it for football for me.
I know it's just one dodgy Twitter account but I cannot emphasise enough how bad this will be.
If we've learned anything from RD's failed experiment, as well as the quick about-turns of the owners of Hull, Cardiff and others, it's that football fans in this country, you and me, are a bunch of bastards and you can't sell us anything we don't want to buy if it concerns our club. Sure, Red Bull have been able to pick up clapped out teams - a fifth division team and a team who had already changed their name for sponsorship money before - with little history and little interest but we are not that. I don't think we're being bought by RB for a second but I really don't think they'd have much luck pulling the heart out of the club if they tried; RD's been actively trying to kill us for years and as soon as he gets his money he's running for his life away from us as fast as he can. We like to say that RD bought the wrong club, and we will continue to be the wrong club for anyone stupid enough to come in with any agenda other than winning football matches and trying not to go out of business3 -
Has anyone with anything credibility commented on the Red Bull rumor?0
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Personally I just want to see Charlton be successful if that involves Red Bull so be it. Without big money that won't be possible in today's football world3
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Not always - just ask RD.The_President said:
Big money gets smart people.GlassHalfFull said:
Big money is very useful but what really gets you success is smart people. Like it or not (and of course many don't) RB Leipzig have been very very smart.
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I'm getting a major feeling of déjà vu0
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He didnt pay big money in his football clubs(after all, why do you think the likes of Kermy,Morro were moved on?) - but i bet he does at Melexis.GlassHalfFull said:
Not always - just ask RD.The_President said:
Big money gets smart people.GlassHalfFull said:
Big money is very useful but what really gets you success is smart people. Like it or not (and of course many don't) RB Leipzig have been very very smart.0 -
I wasn't thinking of his clubs, more the personnel he hired to run them. I'm sure his other businesses must be much better run.
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I’m getting a major feeling of de....moutuakilla said:I'm getting a major feeling of déjà vu
Woah that’s weird!
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He didnt pay Katrien much (apparently), and clearly didnt pay Driesen very much(if at all). And i would hardly call them very smart..GlassHalfFull said:
I wasn't thinking of his clubs, more the personnel he hired to run them. I'm sure his other businesses must be much better run.0 - Sponsored links:
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Oh good, we're having the Red Bull discussion again.
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Some kind of euphemism????moutuakilla said:I'm getting a major feeling of déjà vu
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This is Groundhog day all over again! It’s not Red Bull I tell you.0
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That's what you said before.moutuakilla said:I'm getting a major feeling of déjà vu
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How tall are Australians?1
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About as big as ElfsborgWheresmeticket? said:How tall are Australians?
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Brilliantly funny. To someone who has read every post on this sodding thread, I think you have nailed the scale of it now 3 Blokes3blokes said:I’ve heard, apparently, this thread can now be seen from outer space..
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Did Roland see his shadow?flyingkiwiDK said:This is Groundhog day all over again! It’s not Red Bull I tell you.
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IMHO, the only valid discussion regarding Red Bull is to try to fathom how come billions of people around the world are drinking the foul piss.25
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Being run by dwarfs then.Starinnaddick said:
About as big as ElfsborgWheresmeticket? said:How tall are Australians?
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All Fosters drinkers as well.lordromford said:IMHO, the only valid discussion regarding Red Bull is to try to fathom how come billions of people around the world are drinking the foul piss.
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Someone earlier mentioned building luxury flats on the valley, I wonder if they've ever been to Charlton.
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No need to discuss Red Bull - we will soon have the report of agent Lookman.
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Hardly anyone drink Fosters in Australia.ElfsborgAddick said:
All Fosters drinkers as well.lordromford said:IMHO, the only valid discussion regarding Red Bull is to try to fathom how come billions of people around the world are drinking the foul piss.
From Wikipedia: Notably, while Foster's Group owns many of these brands, Foster's Lager itself is not considered a local drink anywhere in Australia.0 -
Only Craig David so farSpicedAddick said:Has anyone with anything credibility commented on the Red Bull rumor?
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Just the smell if it makes me want to throw up. Specially on the train at 06:30 in the morninglordromford said:IMHO, the only valid discussion regarding Red Bull is to try to fathom how come billions of people around the world are drinking the foul piss.
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Intense investigative work has revealed that the Finance Director of Red Bull GmbH based in Austria is a certain Dietrich Muir...8
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The flats could be luxury but the development would need to be like an all inclusive resort in Aleppo where you don’t leave the complex.Stu_of_Kunming said:Someone earlier mentioned building luxury flats on the valley, I wonder if they've ever been to Charlton.
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Unaturally so....Wheresmeticket? said:How tall are Australians?
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Firstly, I don't think it's gonna be RB so this is all irrelevant but I want to reply for arguments sake.The_President said:.I really, really dont get the negativity about RB - only Charlton fans wouldn't want loads of money thrown at its club.Its just stupidity gone mad.
So, lets say its a choice of 2 - RB or RD, you'd choose RD ?? !
As someone said earlier, ...good luck. Coz if its RB i would jump with joy - if its RD then , thats it, i'm off- you can all have your home games v Woking at The Valley in front of 3k - instead pf possibly Spurs at The Peninsular in front of 40k. its just laughable. Its like the fans on here who weren't bothered that we didnt play Spurs at Wembley this season - effing fruitcakes all of you.
They can call us what they like, RB London as far as i'm concerned - i will still know our heritage- and it will still be my club.
There is no future under RD - he is destroying us.It will eventually be a dead parrot club with The Valley looking like what Highbury looks like now.
Secondly I'm following on from your post Pres but this isn't aimed specifically at you. Most of the questions are rhetorical so please don't think I'm having a go at you.
We have to be careful here in my view. We are in danger of making it look like the protests are entirely about success on the pitch when for me at least they have been about so so much more. We have (rightly) taken issue with the club being run without putting the fans first, the complete absense of fan engagement, the lack of recognition for our history and our identity and their footballing strategy. For me the lack of success on the pitch is a symptom of all the above.
Do you really think any of those will be better under RB? The only thing that will change is the footballing strategy. Whilst that will be a welcome change and will bring success but at what cost? Everything that makes our great club what it is? That'll be a no from me.
Look at RB Leipzig, most of the fans who supported before RB turned up no longer go. The club refuse to admit that there was a club before they took over. All history books have been erased. They've brought success but at too great a cost for many. And that's despite the German rules on fan ownership etc. Which are far more stringent than anything our woeful FA would try. You think they wouldn't find a way round the FA rules? They would. And too many fans would back them on the hope of success that it couldn't be stopped.
As I said before RD is a slow death, RB would be a quick death. I would rather cling on in our death bed a little longer and hope that a real cure turns up rather than take a brain transplant and continue to exist but as a completely different person.
Obviously I want Charlton to be a success but not at any cost. Don't you have any footballing principles? For me i want our growth to be organic, with fan engagement key. The whole club from top to bottom united and working together. The right off the field set up in order to bring the best of field results, within our means. Obviously that will have to be backed up by serious money but it can still be done properly. I don't think that is unrealistic.
In my view if you are willing to take success at the cost of losing your club you may as well to and support City, Chels, United or Arsenal. They've already sold their soul for success. It'll be a different club your supporting anyway so what's the difference? Again just my view.
If it were to happen I would probably go and support Bromley/Welling/Orient.
Fuck the Premier league, and fuck their money. Fuck their attitude of corporation and brand above the fans. Fuck modern football.36
