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Henry Irving
Henry Irving Posts: 85,512
edited February 2018 in General Charlton
I recognise Sam Bartram and Stanley Matthews but who are the others and what team is this?

A testimonial game perhaps?

Late 50s I would suggest as Sam looks older.

Another photo from Sam Bartram's private collection of photographs, press cuttings and other memorabilia now held by the museum. We've scanned all the photograph's now.



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  • Charltonparklane
    Charltonparklane Posts: 5,786
    edited February 2018
    Solly middle right.

    I'll ask me dad when I see him.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,289
    Dean Kiely back row on the right
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,767
    Billy Bingham bottom left?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,727
    DaveMehmet said:

    Billy Bingham bottom left?

    Didn't Sam go to Luton for a while? Could be a Luton team.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    A Football.
    Bottom row centre.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited February 2018
    Chris Solly, middle row at the opposite end to Matthews.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Henry Irving said:

    I recognise Sam Bartram and Stanley Matthews but who are the others and what team is this?

    A testimonial game perhaps?

    Late 50s I would suggest as Sam looks older.

    Another photo from Sam Bartram's private collection of photographs, press cuttings and other memorabilia now held by the museum. We've scanned all the photograph's now.



    image

    @blackpool72 on the left with the glasses on.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,905
    ricky_otto said:

    Henry Irving said:

    I recognise Sam Bartram and Stanley Matthews but who are the others and what team is this?

    A testimonial game perhaps?

    Late 50s I would suggest as Sam looks older.

    Another photo from Sam Bartram's private collection of photographs, press cuttings and other memorabilia now held by the museum. We've scanned all the photograph's now.



    image

    @blackpool72 on the left with the glasses on.
    Ain't you gone to Amsterdam yet
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,512
    Don't think it is Billy Bingham but I think it might be an Irish side looking at the Ref's blazer badge.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,464
    Henry Irving said:

    Don't think it is Billy Bingham but I think it might be an Irish side looking at the Ref's blazer badge.

    The badge is the four nations. So might it be a GB side? Or a forces match?

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  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,398
    edited February 2018
    Hope you don't mind me posting this

    https://playupliverpool.com/1941/01/08/liverpool-have-bartram-back/

    https://playupliverpool.com/1940/01/20/england-v-the-army-international-january-20-1940/

    Bartram and Matthews played in the second game but they're not the same shirts as in Sam's photo
    Don Welsh also figures

  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,311
    Given that they all look pretty old, could it be the England Over 30s team of 1954. Both Bartram and Matthews were in this match. Does anyone recognise the others: Mozley, L. Smith, Johnston, Leuty, Cockburn, Mannion, Lawton, Shackleton, Langton.

    The match was played at Highbury and the shirts do look kind of Arsenalish. The guy standing top right (referee?) has a badge representing the four home nations, could this signify some sort of international flavour to the match, even though it was England v England.


    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/MatchRsl/MatchRslTmIL.html
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,398


    Stig said:

    Given that they all look pretty old, could it be the England Over 30s team of 1954. Both Bartram and Matthews were in this match. Does anyone recognise the others: Mozley, L. Smith, Johnston, Leuty, Cockburn, Mannion, Lawton, Shackleton, Langton.

    The match was played at Highbury and the shirts do look kind of Arsenalish. The guy standing top right (referee?) has a badge representing the four home nations, could this signify some sort of international flavour to the match, even though it was England v England.


    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/MatchRsl/MatchRslTmIL.html

    Fairly sure that Tommy Lawton is not in that photo.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,285
    Charltonparklane said:

    Solly middle right.

    I'll ask me dad when I see him.

    Surely it's Gary Nelson ?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,285
    The bloke to the left of Sam Bartam as we view it, has an uncanny resemblance to my sadly deceased father in law.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,168
    edited February 2018
    Middle row on left Stanley Matthews, as you said Henry. I am sure I know player in front of Sam, but sorry cannot remember his name
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,109
    Scott Minto in front of Bartram
  • RodneysMiddleName
    RodneysMiddleName Posts: 219
    Comparing the names from the over-30s game against football cards from the 1950s, I reckon Len Shackleton could be the player in the middle of the front row with the ball. Wilf Mannion might well be the Chris Solly lookalike on the right of the middle row. Possibly Henry Cockburn top right but hard to tell. Maybe Leon Leuty in front of Sam. Then again, bottom right looks a bit like Billy Liddell and bottom left a little like Tommy Taylor so who knows?!
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,398
    Len Shackleton is not in that photo
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/football-1950s-sunderland-and-england-footballer-len-shackleton-the-picture-id78980895?s=612x612
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,398
    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01460/Tommy_Lawton_1460407i.jpg

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  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,838
    Is Charles “Charlie” Charles in there anywhere?
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,302
    Could be completely wrong but how about 1951, England Tour of Australia? Probably not. But the date has got to be early 1950s.

    I know they aren’t in the photo, but at first glance, a couple looked like Johnny Summers and John Hewie.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,964
    edited February 2018
    Funny-looking geezer front left is, I think you'll find, Shaun Murphy's grandpa.
  • LennyLowrent
    LennyLowrent Posts: 2,714
    J.R. Ewing bottom left
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,512
    Sage said:

    Could be completely wrong but how about 1951, England Tour of Australia? Probably not. But the date has got to be early 1950s.

    I know they aren’t in the photo, but at first glance, a couple looked like Johnny Summers and John Hewie.

    Definitely not the tour of Australia. We have lots of Sam's photos from that tour.

    I think it is a testimonial and after Sam retired. And Hewie was South African while Summers didn't join until after 51.
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,436
    Charltonparklane said:

    Solly middle right.

    Next to Diego Costa
  • Isawlearyplay
    Isawlearyplay Posts: 277
    2nd row far right ? Arthur Milton (Gunners)
    Agree billy Bingham bottom left.
    Great picture -thanks
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,471
    Darren Ferguson next to Bartram

    Oh and Charles Hawtrey standing on the left of the photo
  • HarryLime
    HarryLime Posts: 1,295
    Stig said:

    Given that they all look pretty old, could it be the England Over 30s team of 1954. Both Bartram and Matthews were in this match. Does anyone recognise the others: Mozley, L. Smith, Johnston, Leuty, Cockburn, Mannion, Lawton, Shackleton, Langton.

    The match was played at Highbury and the shirts do look kind of Arsenalish. The guy standing top right (referee?) has a badge representing the four home nations, could this signify some sort of international flavour to the match, even though it was England v England.


    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/MatchRsl/MatchRslTmIL.html

    The bloke next to Matthews could be Leon Leuty, a centre half who died of leukemia in 1955. His ears and nose and the creases around his mouth look similar. If it is him he played against us in the 46 final.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,311
    edited February 2018
    DaveMehmet said:

    Billy Bingham bottom left?

    I can see a likeness, but judging from this Bingham had a longer face and pointier nose.
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