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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • Fiiish said:

    Apologies if you cannot read Italian but this article from February 2018 directly quotes Five Star as promoting European Union membership.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.it/2018/02/06/luigi-di-maio-rottama-la-politica-estera-a-5-stelle_a_23354144/

    @Southbank just in case you missed this post that proves what total bollocks you've been spouting about the Italian election.
  • Nadou said:

    Got €1.06 to the £ today. Those bloody Europeans, stealing my money. Don't they realise the Queen's head is on the money over here. Pay a bit of respect. Our money's worth much more than that Euro trash stuff.

    I got 1.13 this morning...who did you buy them from your mrs.
  • Fiiish said:

    @Southbank just in case you missed this post that proves what total bollocks you've been spouting about the Italian election.
    Said all day on sky news, bbc and lbc that 55% of the parties are anti EU..i appreciate their not as learned and knowledgeable than you... Just saying.
  • Said all day on sky news, bbc and lbc that 55% of the parties are anti EU..i appreciate their not as learned and knowledgeable than you... Just saying.
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    I got 1.13 this morning...who did you buy them from your mrs.
    Whoopee flipping do. It was 1.36 when this whole mess started.

    https://finder.com/uk/brexit-pound
  • I got 1.13 this morning...who did you buy them from your mrs.
    Where were you able to get better than spot rate from?
  • Whoopee flipping do. It was 1.36 when this whole mess started.

    https://finder.com/uk/brexit-pound
    Whoopppeeedooooooooo was 1.02 five years agooooooooo.
  • Hang on a minute. I think we all have two problems in trying to debate reasonably with you.

    1. You associate any party dubbed (by British commentators, always) as remotely Eurosceptic with a British style drive to leave the EU.

    2. You assume that anyone who describe themselves as pro-Europe or Europhile is an unquestioning sheep like supporter of the way the EU functions.

    Both these propositions are fundamentally false. I don't pretend to be any kind of expert on Italian politics, and those who are will caution that even they are far from clear what Five Star stands for. But several hours earlier I posted a Reuters report of their leader's speech which rendered your late remarks redundant. You have a brand new party in France led by a very young President. It is centre-left. It is pro EU. Both the two currently strongest parties here in the Czech Republic are new parties, broadly centre-left. The second is the Pirates, inspired by their Swedish counterparts. Neither have a remotely anti-EU platform of the type propogated by your English heroes.You yourself have just designated Labour a Social Democratic party which is pro EU. I don't agree with you, but where is the "decline" there?

    @Charlton Madrid summarised it admirably. being critical about something and wanting to modernise it doesn't equate necessarily to abandoning it, cutting your nose off to spite your face.
    Most of the people around me are inevitably pro or at least not anti EU, but I cannot think of one who does not have a idea of how it could work better. I was contemplating the similarity between Five Star, the Czech Pirates, and the Austrian centre right party - all three leaders are, remarkably, aged 31, and thinking, maybe this is exactly what Europe needs.
    The Tory Party as a whole did not want to leave the EU either, and still does not. It was thd people who made that decision.I agree with you that none of these new parties want to leave the EU. My point is that all over Europe two things are happening, one is the decline of the old, pro centre left EU parties. One important factor in their decline is that they have come to represent the urban middle classes and they have lost working class support.
    The second is that there is a strong eurosceptic feeling and an anti-immigrant feeling which are represented in the new populist movements. This makes it very hard for Macron and other federalists to pursue their centralising agenda.
    I agree with you that these new movements may end up having positive outcomes, but their current incoherence is not very promising.
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  • Said all day on sky news, bbc and lbc that 55% of the parties are anti EU..i appreciate their not as learned and knowledgeable than you... Just saying.
    Chippy, chippy. The BBC's European editor is Katya Adler. She is not a big fan of the EU bureaucracy (neither am I, nor I am sure is Fishy).

    So read carefully what she writes in this analysis

    Just some clips:

    Which leads us to something else Europe's populist parties have in common: a hefty dose of Euroscepticism.
    I'm speaking here of Euroscepticism in the European style, rather than the UK-style which this is sometimes misunderstood as in the UK press.
    Marine Le Pen tweeted her congratulations to Italy today.
    This election was the next European chapter in the awakening of the people, she said.
    What she did not augur was an imminent Italexit - Italy's exit from the European Union.As she knows from personal experience in France where she flirted with promoting Frexit, the expectation that European countries would fall one by one like dominos out of the EU after the UK's Brexit vote has fallen flat.
    Italy's populists - like those in Austria in their recent general election - had to back away from earlier promises to pull out of the euro currency.
    Italian voters want the EU to reform but not disappear.
    ...


  • Fiiish said:

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    Don't like it up you do you... Another two pages filled up with your bollocks. Listen to real news and take the ear muffs off. Better still wait to read the remainian tomorrow.
  • Fiiish said:

    To be fair Chippy actually thinks clicking the little smiley face under each post actually has a real world impact so he probably thinks clicking the smiley face makes the exchange rate better or something.
    No sadly makes you talk more shit... Do you actually work.
  • Chippy, chippy. The BBC's European editor is Katya Adler. She is not a big fan of the EU bureaucracy (neither am I, nor I am sure is Fishy).

    So read carefully what she writes in this analysis

    Just some clips:

    Which leads us to something else Europe's populist parties have in common: a hefty dose of Euroscepticism.
    I'm speaking here of Euroscepticism in the European style, rather than the UK-style which this is sometimes misunderstood as in the UK press.
    Marine Le Pen tweeted her congratulations to Italy today.
    This election was the next European chapter in the awakening of the people, she said.
    What she did not augur was an imminent Italexit - Italy's exit from the European Union.As she knows from personal experience in France where she flirted with promoting Frexit, the expectation that European countries would fall one by one like dominos out of the EU after the UK's Brexit vote has fallen flat.
    Italy's populists - like those in Austria in their recent general election - had to back away from earlier promises to pull out of the euro currency.
    Italian voters want the EU to reform but not disappear.
    ...


    Its been on the news all day..
  • Don't like it up you do you... Another two pages filled up with your bollocks. Listen to real news and take the ear muffs off. Better still wait to read the remainian tomorrow.
    None of the news agencies called Five Star anti-EU. That much is true.

    Your post I quoted is just another one of your lies Chippy. The thing is no one falls for your lies anymore because you seem incapable of speaking the truth. You were never in the forces, you don't do business in Germany, you don't watch the news, you don't have a passport nailed to a wall and you never had to check under your car. Kindly bog off, seriously, no one gives a shit about whatever your next lie is going to be.
  • Chippy, chippy. The BBC's European editor is Katya Adler. She is not a big fan of the EU bureaucracy (neither am I, nor I am sure is Fishy).

    So read carefully what she writes in this analysis

    Just some clips:

    Which leads us to something else Europe's populist parties have in common: a hefty dose of Euroscepticism.
    I'm speaking here of Euroscepticism in the European style, rather than the UK-style which this is sometimes misunderstood as in the UK press.
    Marine Le Pen tweeted her congratulations to Italy today.
    This election was the next European chapter in the awakening of the people, she said.
    What she did not augur was an imminent Italexit - Italy's exit from the European Union.As she knows from personal experience in France where she flirted with promoting Frexit, the expectation that European countries would fall one by one like dominos out of the EU after the UK's Brexit vote has fallen flat.
    Italy's populists - like those in Austria in their recent general election - had to back away from earlier promises to pull out of the euro currency.
    Italian voters want the EU to reform but not disappear.
    ...


    The problem you 'reformers' have is that the only EU reform that appears to be on the agenda is Macron's federalizing one. This runs counter to the eurosceptic drift of the European peoples and has very little support in the leading parties, even in Germany. This conundrum is going to lead to continued drift in EU governance.
  • Where were you able to get better than spot rate from?
    Barclays Bank Basingstoke was 1.11 in Alton this afternoon and 1.10 in tui.
  • Bullshit.

    The lowest rate in March 2013 was 1.143 and the highest was 1.182.

    Why do you insist on spouting such easily provable lies? You must know the internet exists, you fucking on it!
    Were you there when i exchanged no...thanks for the tip re internet...
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  • Fiiish said:

    None of the news agencies called Five Star anti-EU. That much is true.

    Your post I quoted is just another one of your lies Chippy. The thing is no one falls for your lies anymore because you seem incapable of speaking the truth. You were never in the forces, you don't do business in Germany, you don't watch the news, you don't have a passport nailed to a wall and you never had to check under your car. Kindly bog off, seriously, no one gives a shit about whatever your next lie is going to be.
    Err https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-43272700
    I am afraid that banging your head against a wall generally does not make it go away
  • Southbank said:

    Err https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-43272700
    I am afraid that banging your head against a wall generally does not make it go away
    Hmm strange, couldn't find the phrase "anti-EU" in that article.

    Seriously, do you try this hard to make yourself look stupid or does it come naturally?
  • Fiiish said:

    None of the news agencies called Five Star anti-EU. That much is true.

    Your post I quoted is just another one of your lies Chippy. The thing is no one falls for your lies anymore because you seem incapable of speaking the truth. You were never in the forces, you don't do business in Germany, you don't watch the news, you don't have a passport nailed to a wall and you never had to check under your car. Kindly bog off, seriously, no one gives a shit about whatever your next lie is going to be.
    Say what you like i never said i was in the forces i said i worked for the armed forces... And in some way still do. I don't have an irish passport nailed to a wall its nailed on my whiteboard.... From someone who wasn't around in the 70's you will never know what it was like living under IRA terror. And practice what you preach. Still got no mortgage. I am back in Cologne at the start of May for a month... And ditto your last paragraph. Lost count of how many other posters have told you the same. Not just here....
  • Fiiish said:

    Hmm strange, couldn't find the phrase "anti-EU" in that article.

    Seriously, do you try this hard to make yourself look stupid or does it come naturally?
    I forgot, you think that eurosceptic and anti EU mean different things. As I said, I think a discussion on that is worth a thread of its own. But it is strange that commentators all over the media are saying that a Five Star/ Lega alliance woud be a big problem for the EU.
    Maybe you should let the EU know they have nothing to worry about. They will be relieved.
  • Southbank said:

    Err https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-43272700
    I am afraid that banging your head against a wall generally does not make it go away
    Your pissing in the wind with this idiot.
  • Southbank said:

    I forgot, you think that eurosceptic and anti EU mean different things. As I said, I think a discussion on that is worth a thread of its own. But it is strange that commentators all over the media are saying that a Five Star/ Lega alliance woud be a big problem for the EU.
    Maybe you should let the EU know they have nothing to worry about. They will be relieved.
    Cameron's Tories were classed as Eurosceptic by the media but still promoted membership of the EU. As do the vast majority of parties winning across Europe.

    I would class anti-EU as those who want to leave the EU. If Euroscepticism is winning across Europe all that would do is halt the further integration of Europe, not break the EU up.
  • What does the rate you got matter? That's not the exchange rate, any more than if my mum gave me £10 for a 10 euro note I've got left from Finland would make the current exchange 1.0.

    You're a moron, or a troll, or both. You add absolutely nothing of any worth to this or any other thread and this will be the last time I feed the troll. You disdain internet links so much, would be better for everyone if you lost the link to this site.
    You've lost the plot and ditto. Tell me where you have added something.
  • Fiiish said:

    Cameron's Tories were classed as Eurosceptic by the media but still promoted membership of the EU. As do the vast majority of parties winning across Europe.

    I would class anti-EU as those who want to leave the EU. If Euroscepticism is winning across Europe all that would do is halt the further integration of Europe, not break the EU up.
    I agree with you on the general drift. The problem is that without further integration the EU project cannot work. A currency needs a central bank and a state to guarantee it. The Eurozone is very vulnerable without more centralisation and ultimately a central state. I doubt there is a single country in Europe which has a majority that would support a centralised federal Europe. That is why the project is doomed.
    Better a loose trading bloc of sovereign states. Get rid of Juncker, Selmayr and all those who have nothing but contempt for the nation state, historically the only guarantor of democracy.
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