Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Look mate none of us know what's around the corner and its just as well we don't otherwise we'd just be waiting for the clock to tick down. The Aussies have some questions hanging over them and none of us have anything concrete to give firm answers one way or the other at this juncture. For me and my working life experiences in the financial services sector they get my vote on taking us forward in the way they have gone about things on balance, you are clearly of the opposite view and we'll have to beg to differ .
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
I'm going to stick my neck out, they won't be, if I'm right you can put me and the misses up for a week in summer at your French gaff. If I'm wrong you can come and stay with me oop north for a week in the winter, deal? .
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
Only time will tell, but there are not many that can be as bad as RD, so the odds are that they will be better. By how much, we will have to wait and see.
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
I'm going to stick my neck out, they won't be, if I'm right you can put me and the misses up for a week in summer at your French gaff. If I'm wrong you can come and stay with me oop north for a week in the winter, deal? .
Ibborg has got more firearms than you have bedrooms. Be very careful mate
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
I'm going to stick my neck out, they won't be, if I'm right you can put me and the misses up for a week in summer at your French gaff. If I'm wrong you can come and stay with me oop north for a week in the winter, deal? .
Ibborg has got more firearms than you have bedrooms. Be very careful mate
He's a pussy cat, just in case though can I borrow your axe .
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
I'm going to stick my neck out, they won't be, if I'm right you can put me and the misses up for a week in summer at your French gaff. If I'm wrong you can come and stay with me oop north for a week in the winter, deal? .
Ibborg has got more firearms than you have bedrooms. Be very careful mate
He's a pussy cat, just in case though can I borrow your axe .
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
Were they overlooked and not sorted by 'this mob'? Only asking because it's been debated for so long that I can't remember where we first heard that they *had* been overlooked and not sorted.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
Why are the charges not a potential problem if RD is not willing to settle them and the Australians want clean title? I am not suggesting that RD will not settle them, just that if he doesn't he is asking the buyers to increase their offer to include the £7M charge.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
Why are the charges not a potential problem if RD is not willing to settle them and the Australians want clean title? I am not suggesting that RD will not settle them.
Don't worry about it mate, go back to LOL all my comments.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
That's fine, but you are not buying the club and therefore it makes no real difference to you whether they are in place or not. But it appears that the Aussies do see it as a problem and as they are looking at spending a fortune on the club, they are perfectly within their rights to try to get the charges removed before they take on responsibility of running the club.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
Why are the charges not a potential problem if RD is not willing to settle them and the Australians want clean title? I am not suggesting that RD will not settle them.
Don't worry about it mate, go back to LOL all my comments.
The charges were just an example ffs
As I said before, do we know if the buyers overlooked the charges during DD. I would suggest that they didn't, but RD was expecting them to accept them being rolled over, which it appears they do not want to do.
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
Fair point, Ibborg, none of us have a crystal ball.
As far as I can see, members of Team Oz, such as Muir, appear to have integrity and good judgement based on what they have done in their careers so far - and this is all that we can, and should, judge them on. So, when looking at RD's record with our club, it is unarguable (unless you are a member of one of the other sites, it appears) that RD has been a disaster for our club with a reverse Midas touch. Therefore, it is fair to speculate that he will continue to be one. As such, I want him gone.
But when it comes to RD or an alternative, I will go for the alternative every time.
So, as Blackpool so succinctly puts it: 'Roland, just sell the club and....' you can guess the rest.
Fair point but I have to agree with Ibborg. Just because Roland is such a shit owner doesn’t mean we should just swap him for anybody. Of course even if the replacement is marginally better then it’s progress, but that’s not saying anything because we are nearly at rock bottom.
All well and good wanting Roland out but no real point if the successors are nearly as bad. I would personally prefer to wait and have the right people in then still be in a shit position.
How will we know when it’s the “right people”? What will we do to stop others in the meantime?
Well a good start would be to give a second look at and ask questions of people who. -
- Don't know / ignore the rules of not owning shares or having interests in more than one football club.
- Get to the point of completion before talking about who is liable for a debt the is equal to nearly 20% of the reported sale price.
How do you know they didn't know/ignored EFL rules?
If they have made an offer for clean title of the football club, maybe they were expecting Roland to have settled the outstanding charges before the point of completion.
This is just an opinion by the way, you seem to be more in th know than me.
They're both opinions mate and we're both entitled to have them, but don't you think that things like charges on the Club is something that a consortium worth half its salt shoulda picked up on the the opening stages of negotiations? We know what owners are like, who aren't very thorough and don't pick up on such things, we've already got one
Rob, if I was buying Charlton why on earth would I not expect to get a clean title on the business and its property I was buying! No way can this issue be put at the Aussies door imo. Sorry mate but your barking up the wrong tree.
So why is everyone slagging RD off for suposing it werent his debt when he took over?
Sorry mate you've lost me, he bought the club without doing proper and thorough DD. His problem he needs to sort it if he wants to sell the club or am I being unreasonable?
I totally agree that it's his problem, but I've not said anything to the contrary. But it ain't helping our cause much is it
Nothing you or I can do about it, all will be revealed in due course hopefully but for now I'm not inclined to diss our apparent only lifeline.
I just can't understand that mentality of potentially moving the problem down the line, IF we even survive to a another take over, should these turn out to be cack like RD.
That's why I'm asking the questions.....
Well it looks as if the Australians are attempting to do as you suggest, and stop moving the problem down the line, by buying the club with clean title.
The poxy charges will be the least of our worries if they turn out to be like RD
I'm going to stick my neck out, they won't be, if I'm right you can put me and the misses up for a week in summer at your French gaff. If I'm wrong you can come and stay with me oop north for a week in the winter, deal? .
Can I book the second week in August at the French gaff?
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
They have not been overlooked by the Aussies. It isn’t their problem to sort. Roland didn’t do due diligence and didn’t know about the loans until well after the deal was completed. That is his fault and his problem to sort out. Is it really that difficult to understand?
I am not a wealthy businessman but before spending £1m on DD, I would spend 100 pence at Land Registry looking at charges on assets. Even if I didn't it would be top of the list for my team. I wouldn't spend £1m then ask if RD owns everything outright. Thus the £7m isn't the issue.
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
Just for the record; I don't see the charges as being the potential problem going forward. The question I'm asking and have been talking about is what led to them being overlooked or not sorted earlier by this mob and their representatives.
They have not been overlooked by the Aussies. It isn’t their problem to sort. Roland didn’t do due diligence and didn’t know about the loans until well after the deal was completed. That is his fault and his problem to sort out. Is it really that difficult to understand?
I've totally understood that from the very beginning mate and I really can't make MY point any clearer, but I will try, one more time - leaving the charges out of it for the moment, (they are just one point that this debate seems to have focused on) the whole take-over has been beset with problems from the start and while I completely accept that RD is responsible for some or most of them, there has still been problems reportedly emanating from the Golden Consortium's camp that I don't think should be ignored. IF, however, we're now saying that those problem as reported by Airman - NLA - Dave Smith etc. never existed, then I must've skipped those pages where that was explained and I stand corrected; we really do have a well connected, coherent band of multi-millionaires who will own the Club, to take Us on the great things.
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
Okay Jim, I'll take your word for it mate and I won't question anything else about the super consortium, who have shown nothing but exemplary behaviour during the last 12 odd months of trying to buy the Club, with the millions they have at their disposal. Look forward to you giving the nod to say it's a done deal and more details on the 5 year plan of not bringing Aussie players over even they already said they were intending to do so.
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Be very careful mate
Only asking because it's been debated for so long that I can't remember where we first heard that they *had* been overlooked and not sorted.
The charges were just an example ffs
Hence the stalemate.
Caviezel?