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How do the Tories need to change?
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That c*nt Gove isn't changing, but he is going for it big time trying to re invent himself as Mother Nature. He announced loads of cost neutral initiatives like 'designating' national park type things, and faux concern for animal welfare, which are basic requirements and already covered under the law anyway.
Perhaps he could source and spend actual money on reducing fly tipping round the corner from me. The devious little s*hit would still never get my vote even if he grew organic tomatoes from the wax in his ears.
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Fixed that for you...A-R-T-H-U-R said:
I don't know, so I will avoid answering the questionseth plum said:So, go on then, what is Tory ideology?
What informs their 'planning'?
Edit - no actually, it's probably more that the truth is pretty unpalatable to most people...
"Like they are planning how to destroy the lives of the poor, and if possible, kill them, all day every day."
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Jeez, have these people never seen The Thick of It, Mock the Week, HIGNFY???Callumcafc said:
When you have a reputation for being a souless, joyless autobot with an obvious lack of people skills...try not to put yourself in a position where you have to dance for the world's media. She's no Ed Balls on the dancefloor is she!
...'next up on Channel 5, Moggy does the Macarena"4 -
Oh dear Lord she's done it again...
https://bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-45363410/theresa-may-shows-off-dance-moves-in-kenya
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How is Theresa May even a thing?0
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Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
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Ah but then they'll grow up and realise that it's sensible to cut public spending to the point of disaster, ruin the UK's global trade standing and hand over national assets to private hands who'll run them as cheaply as possible at the greatest possible cost to the user6
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I like how Brighton's over-65s are still going for the Greens
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What would it look like if it showed the voting patterns for anyone aged between 18 and death ?5
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And they say there's a generation gap!0
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Lewisham East stays Red in every scenario.
Perhaps that is some kind of sign of a coherent community even if you disagree with their politics.0 -
Not that I want to make Sammy Wilson paranoid or anything (mind-numbingly stupid is, in fairness, enough to be getting along with), but I do wonder how Election Maps UK manages to completely ignore the constituencies of the senior partner in the current unofficial coalition....6
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Well I had to google him but it was well worth the excursion. Even by the extraordinarily low standards set by MPs, he's come up with some truly heroic comments. I think my favourite was Irish is a Leprechaun Language. Run a close second by The GAA is the sporting wing of the IRA. But there seems to be a lot to choose from and I'm hopeful I'll come up with something more hilarious. Thanks kindly for pointing me in his direction.NornIrishAddick said:Not that I want to make Sammy Wilson paranoid or anything (mind-numbingly stupid is, in fairness, enough to be getting along with), but I do wonder how Election Maps UK manages to completely ignore the constituencies of the senior partner in the current unofficial coalition....
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Hardly a surprise, labour gave the 18-24’s hope whereas the over 65’s already know it’s the hope that kills you.5
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Labour immigration policies have something to do with it too.seth plum said:Lewisham East stays Red in every scenario.
Perhaps that is some kind of sign of a coherent community even if you disagree with their politics.
from the Torygraph
Mandelsson
''The former Cabinet minister confirmed for the first time that New Labour not only welcomed but actively encouraged that mass influx of migrants.
He conceded that this now poses a major difficulty for the party’s traditional supporters.
Earlier this year Ed Miliband admitted that the last Labour government was not “sufficiently alive to people's concerns” over immigration and his party got “the numbers wrong”.
But the party leader stopped short of admitting that immigration was too high.
Between 1997 and 2010, more than 2.2 million immigrants came to the country - more than twice the population of Birmingham – with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office.''1 -
Not sure I get your point in relation to Lewisham East.A-R-T-H-U-R said:
Labour immigration policies have something to do with it too.seth plum said:Lewisham East stays Red in every scenario.
Perhaps that is some kind of sign of a coherent community even if you disagree with their politics.
from the Torygraph
Mandelsson
''The former Cabinet minister confirmed for the first time that New Labour not only welcomed but actively encouraged that mass influx of migrants.
He conceded that this now poses a major difficulty for the party’s traditional supporters.
Earlier this year Ed Miliband admitted that the last Labour government was not “sufficiently alive to people's concerns” over immigration and his party got “the numbers wrong”.
But the party leader stopped short of admitting that immigration was too high.
Between 1997 and 2010, more than 2.2 million immigrants came to the country - more than twice the population of Birmingham – with the annual net figure quadrupling during their time in office.''0 - Sponsored links:
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And so does voting Tory https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4794969/Rob7Lee said:Hardly a surprise, labour gave the 18-24’s hope whereas the over 65’s already know it’s the hope that kills you.
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This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
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Kids are idiots.NapaAddick said:
This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
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The horrors of capitalism leads to around 20 million people with inadequate, second class or no health care in at least one country.NapaAddick said:
This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
Too costly to extend to everybody.1 -
Socialism = Communism, last recession (New Labour) = Socialism!NapaAddick said:
This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
I think you should stick to calculating the enterprise value of the club, it is likely to be more accurate than your political opinions.6 -
seth plum said:
The horrors of capitalismNapaAddick said:
This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
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The average 18-24 year old is potentially facing saddling themselves with up to £50k worth of debt before they even start earning if they want to go to University, potentially fewer jobs as AI revolutionises the future of work, increased competition for limited roles, a lack of housing in London and the south east and a lack of investment in other parts of the country. They’ve seen their income or their potential to earn income in real terms decrease compared to previous generations, are facing a society and future where public services are crippled under lack of investment and successive governments kick the can down the road for their generation to pick up on numerous issues. I can forgive them for a bit of idealism that they want a change and they want a future where things might be a different and society is slightly more equal and fair. Or should they just be resigned to their fate and accept this wonderful future our past and current government has created for them.NapaAddick said:
This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
Not saying labour are the answer, far from it. But to say they live in an intellectual fantasy land is an unhelpful sweeping generalisation, and I think many of them are just looking for something different and for a better future.10 -
I used the phrase 'the horrors of capitalism', as a direct mirror to the phrase 'the horrors of socialism' in the post I quoted and responded to.A-R-T-H-U-R said:seth plum said:
The horrors of capitalismNapaAddick said:
This is what happens when the average 18-24 year old was 8-12 years old in the last recession, when they were 0-6 years old on 9/11 and when none of them were alive to remember the horrors of socialism run amok in communist counties. They just think socialism will make evreryone happy and there is no cost for anything. The average 18-24 year old lives in an intellectual fantasy land.Callumcafc said:Thought this was staggering. Tories 0 seats.
What you're doing here is like a film or theatre reviewer, taking or placing something out of context for some kind of mysterious agenda, like your riff about immigration, which had no bearing on the point I made above regarding Lewisham East.2 -
Napa, where are these 18-24yo's getting their idea of this socialist utopia? Certainly not from the popular media who portray May, Boris and JRM as economic geniuses despite their failure to grasp market basics.3
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Is these 18-24 year olds started voting in number, we'd get a shift in policies from both main parties.6
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