The influence of the EU on Britain.
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Just don’t ask him about anything he’s done in the past or people and organisations he’s supported.Red_in_SE8 said:Credit where credit is due. Corbyn is getting better at this. He is currently delivering an excellent speech. Measured in tone, skilfully delivered and full of relevant and pertinent content setting out the new Labour policy (in contrast to the ridiculous shouty and childish references to Spanish civil war 80 years ago by Emily Thornbury). It is a real shame that he and the Labour leadership have such a blind spot about Brexit and don't seem to realise that after Brexit there will be no scope to finance any of their new policies and they won't be able to protect the working classes who will be most affected by it.
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Around the 49s mark he clearly says 'no' yet people still doubt he's a wrongun.1
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Many Brexit Tory politicians actively colluded with Russia during the referendum so I find this line of criticism a bit rich.kentaddick said:
Just don’t ask him about anything he’s done in the past or people and organisations he’s supported.Red_in_SE8 said:Credit where credit is due. Corbyn is getting better at this. He is currently delivering an excellent speech. Measured in tone, skilfully delivered and full of relevant and pertinent content setting out the new Labour policy (in contrast to the ridiculous shouty and childish references to Spanish civil war 80 years ago by Emily Thornbury). It is a real shame that he and the Labour leadership have such a blind spot about Brexit and don't seem to realise that after Brexit there will be no scope to finance any of their new policies and they won't be able to protect the working classes who will be most affected by it.
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A man of principles, just absolutely terrible ones.Stu_of_Kunming said:Around the 49s mark he clearly says 'no' yet people still doubt he's a wrongun.
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Do you have a source for that? Aaron Banks is not a Tory MP.Red_in_SE8 said:
Many Brexit Tory politicians actively colluded with Russia during the referendum so I find this line of criticism a bit rich.kentaddick said:
Just don’t ask him about anything he’s done in the past or people and organisations he’s supported.Red_in_SE8 said:Credit where credit is due. Corbyn is getting better at this. He is currently delivering an excellent speech. Measured in tone, skilfully delivered and full of relevant and pertinent content setting out the new Labour policy (in contrast to the ridiculous shouty and childish references to Spanish civil war 80 years ago by Emily Thornbury). It is a real shame that he and the Labour leadership have such a blind spot about Brexit and don't seem to realise that after Brexit there will be no scope to finance any of their new policies and they won't be able to protect the working classes who will be most affected by it.
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The promise to end the 'greed-is-good' culture was a curious promise to make, if not only because it is completely impossible to end a compensatory human behaviour borne from experiences.
Plenty of other wishy-washy, impossible to implement/deliver on promises. Sounds good, no doubt, though.0 -
No, but he is more or less a Russian double agent.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Do you have a source for that? Aaron Banks is not a Tory MP.Red_in_SE8 said:
Many Brexit Tory politicians actively colluded with Russia during the referendum so I find this line of criticism a bit rich.kentaddick said:
Just don’t ask him about anything he’s done in the past or people and organisations he’s supported.Red_in_SE8 said:Credit where credit is due. Corbyn is getting better at this. He is currently delivering an excellent speech. Measured in tone, skilfully delivered and full of relevant and pertinent content setting out the new Labour policy (in contrast to the ridiculous shouty and childish references to Spanish civil war 80 years ago by Emily Thornbury). It is a real shame that he and the Labour leadership have such a blind spot about Brexit and don't seem to realise that after Brexit there will be no scope to finance any of their new policies and they won't be able to protect the working classes who will be most affected by it.
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So it wasn't "Many Brexit Tory politicians" who actively colluded with Russia during the referendum?1
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I tend to agree - just a soundbite. Perhaps this is another way of saying it:Big_Bad_World said:The promise to end the 'greed-is-good' culture was a curious promise to make, if not only because it is completely impossible to end a compensatory human behaviour borne from experiences.
Plenty of other wishy-washy, impossible to implement/deliver on promises. Sounds good, no doubt, though.
To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.
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Keep 'em honest Robert MuellerStu_of_Kunming said:So it wasn't "Many Brexit Tory politicians" who actively colluded with Russia during the referendum?
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If the Daily Mail and the rest of the right wing press in the U.K. can print dodgy fake headlines about Corby why can't I do the same about Brexit Tory politicians?Stu_of_Kunming said:So it wasn't "Many Brexit Tory politicians" who actively colluded with Russia during the referendum?
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Sounds very similar (identical, in fact) to Clause IV of the Labour Constitution of 1918bobmunro said:
I tend to agree - just a soundbite. Perhaps this is another way of saying it:Big_Bad_World said:The promise to end the 'greed-is-good' culture was a curious promise to make, if not only because it is completely impossible to end a compensatory human behaviour borne from experiences.
Plenty of other wishy-washy, impossible to implement/deliver on promises. Sounds good, no doubt, though.
To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.
Also, very soshulist.2 -
Is it multiple choice?Red_in_SE8 said:
If the Daily Mail and the rest of the right wing press in the U.K. can print dodgy fake headlines about Corby why can't I do the same about Brexit Tory politicians?Stu_of_Kunming said:So it wasn't "Many Brexit Tory politicians" who actively colluded with Russia during the referendum?
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You can tell when Corbyn's done a good speech, because the attack dogs on here suddenly get much more virulent5
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You can tell when Corbyn delivers another of his one size fits all, generic, not really saying much speeches as the most vociferous activists clamour to claim any criticism of his utterances is nothing but virulence from 'attack dogs'.
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I'm not really clear who you would hold up as an example of great political oratory at present? Boris? Moggy?Big_Bad_World said:You can tell when Corbyn delivers another of his one size fits all, generic, not really saying much speeches as the most vociferous activists clamour to claim any criticism of his utterances is nothing but virulence from 'attack dogs'.
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Hilary Benn when he bravely suggested bombing the shit out of Syria3
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That's because I haven't alluded to anyone falling in to that category. Strange that you took that from my post.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm not really clear who you would hold up as an example of great political oratory at present? Boris? Moggy?Big_Bad_World said:You can tell when Corbyn delivers another of his one size fits all, generic, not really saying much speeches as the most vociferous activists clamour to claim any criticism of his utterances is nothing but virulence from 'attack dogs'.
How did I do?
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Bombing the shit out of Isis, which if you’ve noticed, has worked.Leuth said:Hilary Benn when he bravely suggested bombing the shit out of Syria
Hilary benn is a quality orator and politician. The guy had major cajones to speak the way he did, his father would be incredibly proud of him.2 - Sponsored links:
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When we race to the bottom, every one loses.Red_in_SE8 said:
If the Daily Mail and the rest of the right wing press in the U.K. can print dodgy fake headlines about Corby why can't I do the same about Brexit Tory politicians?Stu_of_Kunming said:So it wasn't "Many Brexit Tory politicians" who actively colluded with Russia during the referendum?
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Nah. I'm more of a Geert Wilders man, obviously, you absolute weirdo.Leuth said:Hilary Benn when he bravely suggested bombing the shit out of Syria
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Except in the case of one of those weird Miss Bum Bum competitions in South America, naturally....Stu_of_Kunming said:
When we race to the bottom, every one loses.Red_in_SE8 said:
If the Daily Mail and the rest of the right wing press in the U.K. can print dodgy fake headlines about Corby why can't I do the same about Brexit Tory politicians?Stu_of_Kunming said:So it wasn't "Many Brexit Tory politicians" who actively colluded with Russia during the referendum?
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Tony Blair was brilliant at making good speeches.Leuth said:You can tell when Corbyn's done a good speech, because the attack dogs on here suddenly get much more virulent
Just sayin'
And, for all that some will believe that what he has said about a possible Brexit outcome today, the EU27 will still only agree to a political statement on a future trading relationship if that recognises the constitutional, legal foundations on which the EU is constructed.
Just as with the Government approach, it is difficult to see how the Labour policy on immigration (as I understand from Diane Abbott's comments this week) would be compatible with the sort of relationship that they say that they want.
I don't want Brexit, naturally, but I also don't want the country governed by political parties that seem utterly incapable of understanding the most basic criteria of the EU when seeking to negotiate the most important Agreement/Treaty in our lifetimes. Anyone would think that the UK had never been a member of the organisation.
A bespoke trade deal (because every trade deal is tailored to the needs of the parties) is available, but the EU will not tear itself apart to achieve one.
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Ignore foreign policy, what was exactly bad about blair’s Reign?NornIrishAddick said:
Tony Blair was brilliant at making good speeches.Leuth said:You can tell when Corbyn's done a good speech, because the attack dogs on here suddenly get much more virulent
Just sayin'
And, for all that some will believe that what he has said about a possible Brexit outcome today, the EU27 will still only agree to a political statement on a future trading relationship if that recognises the constitutional, legal foundations on which the EU is constructed.
Just as with the Government approach, it is difficult to see how the Labour policy on immigration (as I understand from Diane Abbott's comments this week) would be compatible with the sort of relationship that they say that they want.
I don't want Brexit, naturally, but I also don't want the country governed by political parties that seem utterly incapable of understanding the most basic criteria of the EU when seeking to negotiate the most important Agreement/Treaty in our lifetimes. Anyone would think that the UK had never been a member of the organisation.
A bespoke trade deal (because every trade deal is tailored to the needs of the parties) is available, but the EU will not tear itself apart to achieve one.1 -
Not really that curious but obviously I'll have to make it simple for you. You seem to be critical of Corbyn as far as I can see so I was just asking who you think is a good political orator? I'm assuming the question is clear?Big_Bad_World said:
That's because I haven't alluded to anyone falling in to that category. Strange that you took that from my post.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm not really clear who you would hold up as an example of great political oratory at present? Boris? Moggy?Big_Bad_World said:You can tell when Corbyn delivers another of his one size fits all, generic, not really saying much speeches as the most vociferous activists clamour to claim any criticism of his utterances is nothing but virulence from 'attack dogs'.
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I'll attempt to make it simple for you. Criticising Corbyns speech does not then automatically mean I have a preference or predilection for another political orator.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Not really that curious but obviously I'll have to make it simple for you. You seem to be critical of Corbyn as far as I can see so I was just asking who you think is a good political orator? I'm assuming the question is clear?Big_Bad_World said:
That's because I haven't alluded to anyone falling in to that category. Strange that you took that from my post.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm not really clear who you would hold up as an example of great political oratory at present? Boris? Moggy?Big_Bad_World said:You can tell when Corbyn delivers another of his one size fits all, generic, not really saying much speeches as the most vociferous activists clamour to claim any criticism of his utterances is nothing but virulence from 'attack dogs'.
How did I do?
Curious.
Again, it's a bit strange that you think the two are mutually exclusive.2 -
You mean like the promises that Tory politicians like Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg and Grayling made and even had painted onto the side of a bus ?Big_Bad_World said:The promise to end the 'greed-is-good' culture was a curious promise to make, if not only because it is completely impossible to end a compensatory human behaviour borne from experiences.
Plenty of other wishy-washy, impossible to implement/deliver on promises. Sounds good, no doubt, though.
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Absolutely.ShootersHillGuru said:
You mean like the promises that Tory politicians like Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg and Grayling made and even had painted onto the side of a bus ?Big_Bad_World said:The promise to end the 'greed-is-good' culture was a curious promise to make, if not only because it is completely impossible to end a compensatory human behaviour borne from experiences.
Plenty of other wishy-washy, impossible to implement/deliver on promises. Sounds good, no doubt, though.
Unfortunately, it seems you're mistaking me for someone who agreed with them.3
