The influence of the EU on Britain.

MuttleyCAFC · October 2018

Ormiston Addick said:

se9addick said:

Red_in_SE8 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/nissan-becomes-latest-manufacturer-to-warn-against-hard-brexit

The sad thing is that the Brexit voters in Sunderland have been so duped by the anti-Europe nut jobs in the country they probably still think Brexit is a good idea.
Part of me says “let them have it” but the really sad thing is that those who felt so disenfranchised that they wanted to believe Farage/Johnson when they offered themselves someone else to blame for their lot in life are about to feel the worst of what is heading our way. This is now shaping up to be a disaster of huge proportions.
Nope - let them have it - they deserve to suffer for their gross stupidity.

Who the fuck would vote for Brexit when your town relies on making cars for export to Europe?

It'd be like Whisky distillers in Scotland voting for prohibition.

That one did puzzle me a bit I must admit.

Of course we all know that if we let them have it, the economic disaster to come will not be because of Brexit but the compromise Brexit they had to put up with. The excuses have already been written.

ThreadKiller · October 2018

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.

Thanks for stepping up back then but what was your contribution during WW2?

Salad · October 2018

You can't really have a Canada+ (or ++ or +++ or ++++ ....) trade deal because they have most favoured nation status with the EU (like Japan),so any terms given to another country such as the UK, would automatically have to be given to Canada & Japan. So all you can have is Canada.

bobmunro · October 2018

Salad said:
You can't really have a Canada+ (or ++ or +++ or ++++ ....) trade deal because they have most favoured nation status with the EU (like Japan),so any terms given to another country such as the UK, would automatically have to be given to Canada & Japan. So all you can have is Canada.

That makes sense.

Just to add to the shitfest though - we could have a Canada deal with the EU whilst at the same time not having a trade deal with Canada!!

PragueAddick · October 2018

Huskaris said:

se9addick said:

Huskaris said:

se9addick said:

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
WW2 is never far from the thoughts of a Brexiteer...
And WW3 from the arsenal of scare tactics from remainers :-)
Ah yes, “project fear”...
Watch out! I'm actually a Russian! I'm infiltrating the forum! Nooooo!

I trust this is tongue in cheek and that you take the Russian threat to mature rules-based democracies around the world seriously?

kentaddick · October 2018

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.

european project that seems to be a stonking success considering it has brought economic prosperity and peace between all members. It's a shame that brexiters think we're too weak or small to be able to influence and control the EU from within it. You would hope they would believe in the country.

seth plum · October 2018

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.

European project says it all, sad the UK is getting out when greater union and collaboration was within reach.
The UK fought an honourable war against Naziism, so did many many people and forces across Europe. Czech and Polish pilots saved the UK in the Battle of Britain and this is the thanks the UK shows!

ShootersHillGuru · October 2018

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.

I despair. I really do.

se9addick · October 2018

seth plum said:

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
European project says it all, sad the UK is getting out when greater union and collaboration was within reach.
The UK fought an honourable war against Naziism, so did many many people and forces across Europe. Czech and Polish pilots saved the UK in the Battle of Britain and this is the thanks the UK shows!

We shouldn’t stay in the EU to “thank” Polish or Czech pilots and we shouldn’t leave because we won WW2. WW2 was about 70 odd years ago and has absolutely nothing to do with legitimate arguments over Brexit on either side of the debate - don’t play their game Seth!

MuttleyCAFC · October 2018

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
I despair. I really do.

Don't despair - that response is very telling. That you get responses like that from 'reasonable' people explains why we got the vote we did.

NornIrishAddick · October 2018

Salad said:
You can't really have a Canada+ (or ++ or +++ or ++++ ....) trade deal because they have most favoured nation status with the EU (like Japan),so any terms given to another country such as the UK, would automatically have to be given to Canada & Japan. So all you can have is Canada.

I fear that what the ERG and the EU27/Commission mean by Canada +++ are distinctly different things. For the ERG it's an enhanced FTA with unfettered access to the benefits of the Single Market. From the way that Donald Tusk is talking, it seems the EU27 view is that it is an FTA with enhanced non-economic cooperation built in, things like continuation of the European Arrest Warrant, police intelligence sharing, and the like.

So, it may be that the ERG crowing that they and the EU27 agree may be a tad premature.

ShootersHillGuru · October 2018

MuttleyCAFC said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
I despair. I really do.
Don't despair - that response is very telling. That you get responses like that from 'reasonable' people explains why we got the vote we did.

That’s exactly why I despair.

Chippycafc · October 2018

golfaddick said:

seth plum said:
This is an EU politician telling the UK that the EU remains the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
"European project"

says it all. glad we're getting out.

we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.

Well said

se9addick · October 2018

I still can’t see Chippy’s posts (but can see that he posted last) - what’s going on with that?

ShootersHillGuru · October 2018

se9addick said:
I still can’t see Chippy’s posts (but can see that he posted last) - what’s going on with that?

Chippy has been given a role as part of a secret Russian intelligence black cyber ops. Can’t say anything more at this point.

Chaz Hill · October 2018

se9addick said:
I still can’t see Chippy’s posts (but can see that he posted last) - what’s going on with that?

He just comes on to lol or attempt to flag. 😳

kentaddick · October 2018

Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.

bobmunro · October 2018

kentaddick said:
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.

Sod that - Chippy for PM.

CharltonMadrid · October 2018

Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.

Missed It · October 2018

CharltonMadrid said:
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.

He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.

Chizz · October 2018

kentaddick said:
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.

Never mind that. I'm just impressed at the way he's getting "whose" and "who's" right now.

Stu_of_Kunming · October 2018

Chizz said:

kentaddick said:
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.
Never mind that. I'm just impressed at the way he's getting "whose" and "who's" right now.

Jokes have to be at least a little believable。

blackpool72 · October 2018

I can't believe how many posts are about chippy.
You all give him a hard time when he is posting.
But now he isn't posting you all miss him.
Long live the chipster 😊😊

Bournemouth Addick · October 2018

Missed It said:

CharltonMadrid said:
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.

You're aware this quote was from a 1930, not post war, essay from Churchill entitled, "The United States of Europe" in which he espouses the benefits of a tariff free, passportless continent with minimal barriers to the movement of people and trade right?

Chippycafc · October 2018

blackpool72 said:
I can't believe how many posts are about chippy.
You all give him a hard time when he is posting.
But now he isn't posting you all miss him.
Long live the chipster 😊😊

Ghost writer mate

smudge7946 · October 2018

ShootersHillGuru said:

smudge7946 said:

charente addick said:

smudge7946 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

seth plum said:

se9addick said:

charente addick said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:
So it sounds like May’s “Chequers compromise” which would almost certainly be rejected by Brussels now won’t even make it that far after she has caved it to Brexiteers and has agreed to amendments to the Customs Bill - some of which seem to directly contradict the plan she came up with a couple of weeks ago.

Absolute shambles.
You can support it or not, but this is beyond belief. I really can't see how this shambles of a government can continue. This is people's livliehoods at stake here, whether you support Brexit or Remain. I think it is coming down to the two things - leaving with nothing or not leaving at all. What is needed, and everybody should support this, is a clarification of what people actually want via a clear second people's vote. Whatever the outcome, politicians need to be aware what the people are instructing.
I honestly think what is needed is for Labour to now back a Norway deal:

- it honours the referendum result to leave the EU
- it’s achievable in the timescales (assuming we get the two year “implementation period still”)
- it solves the Irish border question
- it protects our economy from a cliff edge scenario
- it would probably get the support of enough Tory remainer MPs and Lords to pass through Westminster
- it’s a proposal that the EU will actually accept (unlike Chequers which was never going to be accepted anyway)
- it won’t provide an end to free movement

This should have been the approach from the start, of the nation is still unsatisfied then we can change the relationship in the future but this now all pointing towards a no deal scenario which will be an absolute disaster.
Labour are playing it long on this because they are worried about the views of the Labour voting hard brexiteers mainly in the north. It's your last bullet point that is their big conundrum

I agree, freedom of movement is the big issue in all of this. It stems back to Cameron’s “I’ll reduce immigration to tens of thousands” things a few years ago which legitimised the idea that immigration is bad.

If I were Labour leader I would change the lens and re-cast immigration as a good thing that creates a net benefit to our country economically, socially and culturally. Not only is it true but that way you no are no longer shackled to Cameron’s mistake meaning you are now free to come to a sensible deal with the EU which keeps the four freedoms intact.
Great post.
Immigration is an overwhelmingly good thing in my opinion.
It is unarguable that immigration is good for the country. Always has been and always will be.

History shows us that the hard right have always used immigrants as a scape goat and focus to move on their divisive hate filled agenda.

It is arguable.

Armed robbery is good for the country. It frees up money that was just sitting in vaults and it has been proven time and time again stolen money is spent quicker which benefits the economy.
So immigration is like armed robbery?!

Knob.

I apologise.
I clearly over estimated your education level.

Someone claimed something is unarguable. Everthing is arguable. I showed how a criminal act could be argued as a good thing.

In terms of overall economic benefit to the country. It is unarguable. There are other agendas at play of course.

Armed robbery or immigration?

Missed It · October 2018

Bournemouth Addick said:

Missed It said:

CharltonMadrid said:
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.
You're aware this quote was from a 1930, not post war, essay from Churchill entitled, "The United States of Europe" in which he espouses the benefits of a tariff free, passportless continent with minimal barriers to the movement of people and trade right?

Yes, we were on WW1. I was just trying to point out that Churchill's take on Europe wasn't as pro as the previous post inferred, although that view was probably coloured by the British Empire still being intact.

Bournemouth Addick · October 2018

Missed It said:

Bournemouth Addick said:

Missed It said:

CharltonMadrid said:
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.
You're aware this quote was from a 1930, not post war, essay from Churchill entitled, "The United States of Europe" in which he espouses the benefits of a tariff free, passportless continent with minimal barriers to the movement of people and trade right?

Yes, we were on WW1. I was just trying to point out that Churchill's take on Europe wasn't as pro as the previous post inferred, although that view was probably coloured by the British Empire still being intact.

Great. Good to hear it. Otherwise it might look like you were referring to that made up, stitched together, bullshit meme that got circulated by Leavers at the time of the referendum misquoting Churchill so it seemed like he would be in favour of Brexit. But you weren't, so that's a good thing.