The influence of the EU on Britain.
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It'll go straight into the charts at number one though once 17m Leavers stick it in a frame and start proudly displaying it in their downstairs loo...McBobbin said:That 50p is annoying me. I bet it's worth 40p.
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Aaarrrrrgggh you sure ?PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.
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I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.2 -
They are - well Corbyn is at least. But it is unusual to have the popularist option from the left.Southbank said:
I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.0 -
Well I wasn't really thinking of you as one of the alt.right mob on here. It's also worth mentioning that in the case of the Greens in Germany it is a revival. I read that this is their strongest polling year since 2011. As with many things about Germany I envy them that they have in the Greens a well established progressive alternative to the two big parties. If only we had one.Southbank said:
I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.
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Indeed the AfD is polling around 15% in German elections which is similar to other Alt-right parties across Europe. That's enough to secure some representatives but delivers no power unless the CDU cut a deal. In turn, one element of the CDU wants to move right to "stop the bleeding" to the AfD - sound familiar?
Right now the CDU remains in power due to a deal at national level with the SPD and local level with the Greens. But these partners may pull the plug in order to build support in opposition.
Some like to present the EU as an extension of German thinking but surely the decline of the two centrist blocs, together with the rise of the Greens, alt-right and populist left (France UK and Spain) is a pan European phenomena?
The missing part of the puzzle in terms of larger EU democracies is what does Movimento Cinquestelle (five *) really stand for and which European group they might join. For they poll 30% and are certainly not Alt-right - perhaps green or cut a deal with Macron but that speculation is from six months ago when they first won power.
This matters since the whole European electorate is shifting as per the post from @southbank . The irony is that the likes of the Express big up Le Pen, Willders and the AfD but they have stopped growing. The real news is that centre left and centre right now poll around 50% between them as opposed to 60-70% in the past. That's in every election since the war!
We are in the midst of a massive shift - say 20% of a European electorate of 350 million people - so 70 million changing their allegiances. Only now are some top academics publishing their works on ten years since the crash. We will have to see what ideas appear in the manifestos in years to come.0 -
The Movimento Cinquestelle does have a platform of people friendly policies. So did Mussolini when he came to power. But scratch beneath the surface and they are closer to fascism than socialism. History teaches us that representing the people and offering what the left should be offering - but which it often doesn't deliver for many reasons, is a way to get to power. And of course with these people, they initially support their people, but have their targets to blame, including foreigners!0
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I don't think anyone on this forum can be described as alt right, tbhPragueAddick said:
Well I wasn't really thinking of you as one of the alt.right mob on here. It's also worth mentioning that in the case of the Greens in Germany it is a revival. I read that this is their strongest polling year since 2011. As with many things about Germany I envy them that they have in the Greens a well established progressive alternative to the two big parties. If only we had one.Southbank said:
I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.3 -
The same way that people that disagree with the prevailing view in some threads are simply "a troll"Stu_of_Kunming said:
I don't think anyone on this forum can be described as alt right, tbhPragueAddick said:
Well I wasn't really thinking of you as one of the alt.right mob on here. It's also worth mentioning that in the case of the Greens in Germany it is a revival. I read that this is their strongest polling year since 2011. As with many things about Germany I envy them that they have in the Greens a well established progressive alternative to the two big parties. If only we had one.Southbank said:
I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.2 -
There are a few who express far-right views, sometimes cleverly dressed up, but they rarely bother with this particular thread nowadays, and in turn I don't waste my energy on the threads they populate. It would be surprising if there were not a fair few, its a footie forum after all, albeit not a Millwall one.Huskaris said:
The same way that people that disagree with the prevailing view in some threads are simply "a troll"Stu_of_Kunming said:
I don't think anyone on this forum can be described as alt right, tbhPragueAddick said:
Well I wasn't really thinking of you as one of the alt.right mob on here. It's also worth mentioning that in the case of the Greens in Germany it is a revival. I read that this is their strongest polling year since 2011. As with many things about Germany I envy them that they have in the Greens a well established progressive alternative to the two big parties. If only we had one.Southbank said:
I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.
As for trolling it all depends on what you write, rather than who you are. I fear that sometimes I could be accused of trolling, which I am not proud of a few days later.
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I wouldn’t worry about it @PragueAddick.PragueAddick said:
There are a few who express far-right views, sometimes cleverly dressed up, but they rarely bother with this particular thread nowadays, and in turn I don't waste my energy on the threads they populate. It would be surprising if there were not a fair few, its a footie forum after all, albeit not a Millwall one.Huskaris said:
The same way that people that disagree with the prevailing view in some threads are simply "a troll"Stu_of_Kunming said:
I don't think anyone on this forum can be described as alt right, tbhPragueAddick said:
Well I wasn't really thinking of you as one of the alt.right mob on here. It's also worth mentioning that in the case of the Greens in Germany it is a revival. I read that this is their strongest polling year since 2011. As with many things about Germany I envy them that they have in the Greens a well established progressive alternative to the two big parties. If only we had one.Southbank said:
I think you have set up a straw man. The inexorable decline of the traditional parties does not automatically lead to a new right wing dominance. It leads to a ' populist' challenge to the status quo. The Greens and Corbyn are as much of a reflection of that as is the AFD.PragueAddick said:
And worth emphasising for our alt.right friends on here that the Greens did far better than the AfD, who polled 12%, (i.e 3 points less than UKIP in 2015).seriously_red said:In other news the decline of the main centre parties across Europe continues as per the trend with both CDU and the SPD losing 10% each (again) in another set of German elections. The AfD and the Greens have repeated their recent performances by snaffling up that 10%. And the fall out in the CDU has led to Merkel calling it a day as their leader! Although she will remain Chancellor for the time being.
Described as "the beginning of the end of the 13 year Merkel era".
Meanwhile Prague is now the first capital city to have a mayor from the Pirate party. What they stand for, nobody is quite sure,least of all them, but they are not alt.right anti-immigrants, that's for sure.
As for trolling it all depends on what you write, rather than who you are. I fear that sometimes I could be accused of trolling, which I am not proud of a few days later.
I’m detecting a bit of frustration from some of our ‘right of centre’ contributors that no ‘Make In- ger- land Great Again’ candidate has emerged in this country despite all the rhetoric from Johnson, Farage and co.2 -
Shay Given will be mightily annoyed now a new font of all knowledge has emerged:
We probably need the definitive analysis from Paul.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46030552
Brexit bonus for Irish Govt. coffers from Passport application fees from Brits.1 -
Tarrant is good at changing his mind. He vowed before God to be faithful to his wife, then changed his mind!2
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If Tarrant is the mouthpiece for Brexit then we're saved.MuttleyCAFC said:Tarrant is good at changing his mind. He vowed before God to be faithful to his wife, then changed his mind!
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The only thing I'm surprised by is that Tarrant voted Remain first time around5
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Maybe he phoned a friend before voting...Leuth said:The only thing I'm surprised by is that Tarrant voted Remain first time around
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How did Clarkson vote?0
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Backed his mate and neighbour Dave by voting Remain. Eddie the eagle voted leave though!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:How did Clarkson vote?
I saw some headline this morning that Sharon Osbourne is blaming ‘Snowflakes’ for ruining the country!
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Disappointed in Clarkson - thought he was solidly anti-EU.Chaz Hill said:
Backed his mate and neighbour Dave by voting Remain. Eddie the eagle voted leave though!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:How did Clarkson vote?
I saw some headline this morning that Sharon Osbourne is blaming ‘Snowflakes’ for ruining the country!0 -
It was quite surprising that his decision to vote Remain didn’t get much publicity at the time from his headline writer fans in the Mail, Express, Sun etchoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Disappointed in Clarkson - thought he was solidly anti-EU.Chaz Hill said:
Backed his mate and neighbour Dave by voting Remain. Eddie the eagle voted leave though!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:How did Clarkson vote?
I saw some headline this morning that Sharon Osbourne is blaming ‘Snowflakes’ for ruining the country!0 -
Clarkson always struck me as a fan of other European countries. Not sure about his views on the EU per se0
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I distinctly recall a show where he toured France, eating songbirds and cooing about (some of) their cars. He's pretty much the One Nation Tory cultural figureheadMcBobbin said:Clarkson always struck me as a fan of other European countries. Not sure about his views on the EU per se
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