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The influence of the EU on Britain.
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Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!Rothko said:Oh and will of the people...
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It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)Covered End said:0 -
Really? Funny, I point the finger at the fascist imperialist argentine government that were also busy sheltering nazis.charltonkeston said:
I point the finger at the government of the day who sleepwalked into that conflict while at the same time was was making plans to reduce our navy’s size and ability to defend our dependencies. A convenient truth that gets forgotten when we had such fine win that killed hundreds, maimed hundreds and caused and everlasting bad feelings on many fronts.smudge7946 said:
Israel isn't in the EUNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
Every prime minister seems to want to be remembered by a conflict, I wonder what T May’s will be?
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Exactly, who has ?se9addick said:
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)Covered End said:0 -
Journos, Corbyn and Nigel Farages lawyers (apparently)Covered End said:
Exactly, who has ?se9addick said:
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)Covered End said:1 -
Half the people never wanted Brexit so would always have said no to whatever deal. The other half had such a myriad of reasons for wanting Brexit no deal was ever going to please more than 25-50% of them so the poll result is hardly surprisingse9addick said:
Imagine spending two years on a deal that 86% of your people thing is rubbish!Rothko said:Oh and will of the people...
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I have not read it all.Covered End said:
And I frequently have trouble understanding stuff.
However with regard to one of my special interests, the Irish Border, the deal proposed a period of time (which is confusingly called either a transitional period, or an implementation period) where essentially things stay the same with regards to a customs union and single market until a solution to the irish land border can be found.
This period of time lasts for two years initially.
If in that time no solution is found (and the hope is that the solution is a UK-EU free trade deal) the implementation/transition period is extended.
Not indefinitely but until 20XX. (yes really 20XX)
The scope is for the whole of the rest of this century.
If my reading is right, my informed opinion is that a hard border is practically not doable, and not doable unless the GFA no longer holds sway. Therefore we have a cherry picking situation where the UK wants the benefits of free trade with the EU, but the EU does not want non EU regulated stuff flowing freely into the EU across the Irish or any other border.
If the UK can't guarantee that with all the rules and regulations in place to hold the UK to it's word, then the transition/implementation situation remains indefinitely.
Which is the famous BINO.0 -
Is it any surprise this is turning into a humongous fuck up?0
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Yes really. You don’t have fight a war when you can avoid one. As what happened 4 years previously when David Owen sent 4 ships south as a show of force. If you may remember Lord Carrington resigned because it happened on his watch while he did nothing but allowing mixed messages go out.kentaddick said:
Really? Funny, I point the finger at the fascist imperialist argentine government that were also busy sheltering nazis.charltonkeston said:
I point the finger at the government of the day who sleepwalked into that conflict while at the same time was was making plans to reduce our navy’s size and ability to defend our dependencies. A convenient truth that gets forgotten when we had such fine win that killed hundreds, maimed hundreds and caused and everlasting bad feelings on many fronts.smudge7946 said:
Israel isn't in the EUNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
Every prime minister seems to want to be remembered by a conflict, I wonder what T May’s will be?3 -
Not only that but we held all the cardsbobmunro said:
Well I for one am shocked to the core - during the referendum campaign and afterwards we were being told in no uncertain terms by some that this would be the easiest deal ever to negotiate.1StevieG said:Is it any surprise this is turning into a humongous fuck up?
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Fortunately the eu need us more than we need them.
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Been a very tough day for TM. Good to see her kicking back.6
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How May has not gone I have no idea!1
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Where?se9addick said:
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)Covered End said:
I'd like to read it.0 -
Ken Clarke just repeated this message on C4 News. Ideal man for new Brexit Secretary 😊Chaz Hill said:A lot of common sense there from Ken Clarke. In short he said she might just as well tell the hard Brexiteers to ‘do one’ and go for a softer Brexit. She would stand more chance of getting that through a parliamentary vote.
Said Mogg and his nationalists are a waste of time as is Corbyn and his followers.0 -
Question Time should be lively tonight1
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Were they charged with treason?Henry Irving said:
@NornIrishAddick DFTTNornIrishAddick said:smudge7946 said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships?ampNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
What both articles highlight is that France, which equates to "the French" did, whatever their personal views, seek to assist the UK.smudge7946 said:
Some French technicians, at the same time, worked to assist the Argentinian Junta, but that was clearly them acting as individuals and on their own initiative.
If you are going to conflate such a small group with an entire nation, you might as well argue (with due acknowledgement of Godwin's Law) that because some British people were or are pro-Nazi or pro-Stalin, that all British people were or are Nazis or Stalinists.
But you know, hey, reading comprehension and all that...0 -
Go Auntie T, she's got some balls i'll give her that. 38 letters in apparently, doesn't seem like enough will be received for a leadership challenge.0
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No deal will be funnier than The Infadel was.A-R-T-H-U-R said:0 -
smudge7946 said:
No deal will be funnier than The Infadel was.A-R-T-H-U-R said:
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More people appear to be talking about it, than the 1488 people polled.Rothko said:Oh and will of the people...
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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756374/14_November_Draft_Agreement_on_the_Withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union.pdfDazzler21 said:
Where?se9addick said:
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)Covered End said:
I'd like to read it.
If you could flick through this and give us a summary by tomorrow morning it would be appreciated.5 -
We're fucked. There, I saved you the effort Dazzler.se9addick said:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756374/14_November_Draft_Agreement_on_the_Withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union.pdfDazzler21 said:
Where?se9addick said:
It’s publicly available (not that I’ve read the whole thing)Covered End said:
I'd like to read it.
If you could flick through this and give us a summary by tomorrow morning it would be appreciated.3
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