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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • Brexiters go on about making our own laws, and presumably applying them.
    It would be funny if the 'traitors of the people' did their job and found brexit to have been invalid.
    I doubt very much if that will happen.
  • Dear Theresa

    Thanks for your letter.

    Please be clear, you can take your letter and your deal and stuff it up your arse.

    Yours Faithfully

    Red_in_Se8

    PS. Good work on Gibraltar. Just the start of the break up of the UK family.
  • You should take a look at the exact way he is being attacked in Hungary, his home country, and in the US. And by the way do you think that helping people set up websites which assist people in making a Freedom of Information request, is "political"? Or a grant for NGOs that help ethnic minorities who struggle in a given country? Or a grant that helps support investigative journalism?

    And what about Soros supposed bad crime against Britain ? You know, "breaking the pound" as the average person reads and parrots back. I think you of all people will struggle to assert that this was so bad. But then for 25 years nobody had much to say about Soros either way, despite him setting up OSF and similar foundations gradullay over that period. Despite Central European Uni functioning just fine in Budapest until Orban came along. Funny, that, huh?
    As well as being hated by Trump and the Alt Right Soros has also been attacked by the Government of Israel (more specifically members of the ruling Likud Party). Apparently Netanyahu dislikes left wing politics more than he dislike anti-semitism (see Hungary).

    The Campaign Against Anti-Semitism also has had some choice words to say about him in the past (but I can't find it on their website anymore, in fact I can't find their website anymore!) and failed to criticise an article full of dog whistle anti-semitism tropes published in the Daily Telegraph. They decided that as he was meddling in British politics he was open to criticism.
  • The gas chambers start from things being bad and finding somebody to blame that isn't you or yours.
  • I was going to add that Facebook have also been having a go at Soros and this was reported this morning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/25/tory-links-us-lobby-firm-facebook-smear-scandal
  • Teresa May’s and the Tory machine charm offensive will now start in ernest. The constituency parties will come under pressure to support the deal and they in turn will put pressure on their MP’s. The whips will be honing their skills with threats and sweeteners to the backbenchers. The Tory press will be espousing the deal and just how good it is for the country and in the end our hard fought and tense negotiations squeezed important concessions out of the EU.
    The DUP will be given any assurances they want regardless of ability to deliver.

    This coming vote is going to be a damned close run thing. My guess is that against all the odds that this is going to get through the house.
  • Been trying to find a legal assessment, from a UK perspective, and located the attached.

    https://google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mays-brexit-deal-the-legal-verdict/amp/


    Wow, this is an even more shit deal than I had realised. The author apparently specialises in EU law and is chairman of Lawyers for Britain.

    Having checked them out, they do suppprt leaving the EU so I have to assume they are not unbiased. Having said that, even if half of what he writes is correct, this really is a deal that cannot be supported.
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  • Teresa May’s and the Tory machine charm offensive will now start in ernest. The constituency parties will come under pressure to support the deal and they in turn will put pressure on their MP’s. The whips will be honing their skills with threats and sweeteners to the backbenchers. The Tory press will be espousing the deal and just how good it is for the country and in the end our hard fought and tense negotiations squeezed important concessions out of the EU.
    The DUP will be given any assurances they want regardless of ability to deliver.

    This coming vote is going to be a damned close run thing. My guess is that against all the odds that this is going to get through the house.

    Am I right in that one dissenting Tory MP was given/offered a Knighthood last week
    Carrot and stick time for the Tory whips.
  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/25/why-wont-nigel-farage-answer-my-brexit-questions

    Fantastic journalism by Carole Cadwalladr once again, nailing on the head re Soros and the slime ball that is farage
  • I see that the Labour Front Bench's answer to Katrien Meire has been allowed to appear on TV this morning. It went well...

    And this from the man who is apparently the ‘expert’ for the GMB Parliamentary Group for whom he works as secretary.
  • seth plum said:

    Am I right in that one dissenting Tory MP was given/offered a Knighthood last week
    Carrot and stick time for the Tory whips.
    Apparently it is Tory MP John Hayes.
    Do Tory voters realise how much establishment patronage goes on in the party they support? Maybe they don't care.
    During this brexit nightmare we haven't heard from Freemasons.
    Maybe they have risen above the fray.
  • stonemuse said:

    Been trying to find a legal assessment, from a UK perspective, and located the attached.

    https://google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mays-brexit-deal-the-legal-verdict/amp/


    Wow, this is an even more shit deal than I had realised. The author apparently specialises in EU law and is chairman of Lawyers for Britain.

    Having checked them out, they do suppprt leaving the EU so I have to assume they are not unbiased. Having said that, even if half of what he writes is correct, this really is a deal that cannot be supported.

    I'm not going to state that the article is either entirely or partially wrong, because, lacking specific expertise, it would, in effect, be nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction.

    But I would highlight the issue you have raised @stonemuse of impartiality - it would be wonderful if we could believe that, in this case, we are being presented with an entirely objective opinion (and, in my experience, many legal opinions seem, almost serendipitously, to arrive at a conclusion that supports the client's interest).

    The author has form, IMHO, in putting forward ideologically, rather than solely legally, based media arguments around Brexit (which may not be a bad thing, as a properly reasoned legal opinion may not be the most thrilling of reads), hardly surprising for someone associated with the Brexit Central team.

    He is an experienced lawyer (as QCs tend to be), with expertise in certain areas of EU law.

    There will be others, with equal, or greater, knowledge, who will disagree with his interpretation.
  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/25/why-wont-nigel-farage-answer-my-brexit-questions

    Fantastic journalism by Carole Cadwalladr once again, nailing on the head re Soros and the slime ball that is farage

    Interesting article
  • I'm not going to state that the article is either entirely or partially wrong, because, lacking specific expertise, it would, in effect, be nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction.

    But I would highlight the issue you have raised @stonemuse of impartiality - it would be wonderful if we could believe that, in this case, we are being presented with an entirely objective opinion (and, in my experience, many legal opinions seem, almost serendipitously, to arrive at a conclusion that supports the client's interest).

    The author has form, IMHO, in putting forward ideologically, rather than solely legally, based media arguments around Brexit (which may not be a bad thing, as a properly reasoned legal opinion may not be the most thrilling of reads), hardly surprising for someone associated with the Brexit Central team.

    He is an experienced lawyer (as QCs tend to be), with expertise in certain areas of EU law.

    There will be others, with equal, or greater, knowledge, who will disagree with his interpretation.
    Fair enough, which is why I clearly stated it isn’t likely to be unbiased. Unfortunately I cannot find any other relevant legal assessments of the WA.

    Just out of interest, does this mean that you believe this is not a rubbish deal? Because, from a non-legal perspective, if doesn’t look very good to me .., but I could also be accused of bias :wink:
  • Has there ever been a political leader who simply repeats the same stock phrases again and again and again no matter what question she is asked?
  • I'm not going to state that the article is either entirely or partially wrong, because, lacking specific expertise, it would, in effect, be nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction.

    But I would highlight the issue you have raised @stonemuse of impartiality - it would be wonderful if we could believe that, in this case, we are being presented with an entirely objective opinion (and, in my experience, many legal opinions seem, almost serendipitously, to arrive at a conclusion that supports the client's interest).

    The author has form, IMHO, in putting forward ideologically, rather than solely legally, based media arguments around Brexit (which may not be a bad thing, as a properly reasoned legal opinion may not be the most thrilling of reads), hardly surprising for someone associated with the Brexit Central team.

    He is an experienced lawyer (as QCs tend to be), with expertise in certain areas of EU law.

    There will be others, with equal, or greater, knowledge, who will disagree with his interpretation.
    I've not Read Martin Howe's Spectator piece - as it's behind the Spectator's 'pay wall' - so I can't make a judgement on it.

    However, No. 10's direct response to Martin Howe's article, also in the Spectator, curiously is not 'pay walled':

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/the-brexit-deal-rebuttals-to-the-legal-verdict/
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  • Has there ever been a political leader who simply repeats the same stock phrases again and again and again no matter what question she is asked?

    Apart from showing she is out of her depth and not very clever it’s also one of the most annoying things in my universe. Silly cow.

  • The telling point for me is the speed and alacrity by which the EU today accepted the WA.

    micks1950 said:

    I've not Read Martin Howe's Spectator piece - as it's behind the Spectator's 'pay wall' - so I can't make a judgement on it.

    However, No. 10's direct response to Martin Howe's article, also in the Spectator, curiously is not 'pay walled':

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/the-brexit-deal-rebuttals-to-the-legal-verdict/
    Thanks for this.

    Glad to see the below clarification.

    “The UK will be able to negotiate, sign and ratify Free Trade Agreements with rest of world partners and, following the Implementation Period, implement any elements that do not affect the functioning of the backstop – such as those aspects related to services, procurement and investment.”
  • Rothko said:
    Well that deal lasted longer than most people thought it would. About an hour.
  • Chizz said:

    Well that deal lasted longer than most people thought it would. About an hour.
    That single tweet has destroyed any comments that will emanate from May supporting the ‘value’ of the ‘deal’.
  • edited November 2018

    I have read your original comment again. Maybe you have not been exposed to the full array of bile and hate spewing out against him on social media at this time, linking him to all kinds of events he has nothing to do with. It's only a matter of time before some clown finds a link between him and Roland.

    You did say, perhaps because you had casually read about Black Wednesday but are too young to have really experienced it, that he both "bankrupts and develops entire countries". That is a ridiculous exaggeration, in both directions. However it is very common to read such shit now. Like you, I wasn't even aware that he isn't Jewish until recently. Probably when Orban started bullying him. What I am getting wound up about is this: Black Wednesday happened 26 years ago. He made one billion, and immediately started his philanthropic activities with the profits. Why then, is so much hate and bile directed at him in just the last 3 years, and why does so much of it inform people that he is Jewish?

    In case anyone wonders, I have zero Jewish blood, and hardly any close friends who do. I just find bullying disgusting. I know what it leads to. It starts in the playground and it ends in gas chambers.
    Fair enough. I’ll admit it was an exaggeration. I was 18 on Black Wednesday and all I really recall was that Soros took on my country and won a lot of money,

    Having just looked him up he has invested a lot of his personal wealth in liberal causes and for that I applaud him.

    Still no idea whether he is nor is not Jewish and I don’t care so there really is no need to llet me know.

    Apologies for the misunderstanding though genuinely wasn’t aware Soros bashing is a thing :neutral:
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