The influence of the EU on Britain.
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Haha okay thanks, sneaking away to look at my phone whilst there’s a shoot going on in the studio I’m working in, hard to keep up.se9addick said:
She’s made it, she’s fighting the challenge to her premiership.kentaddick said:T May to make an announcement outside Downing Street this morning... gen election? Resigning? People’s vote?
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The whole EU referendum shambles surely unleashed the most deranged period in UK political history. It seems obvious now why the UK can't run a functioning transport system and why there are such problems in the health service and education system, and none of these are anything to do with the EU.16
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Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.
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My understanding is that if May wins, she can't be challenged again for a year (though she can always resign) wondering if she'll go now because they don't want her for that long0
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The time to do it would be it May gets outed by her own party. Although if the tories extremely quickly choose a new leader that might fall quickly on its arseShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.0 -
I think labour will be in the better position. I think that anyone will be better than Corbyn (asuuming it isn't a momentum shill, a bold assumption I grant you), but for the Tories, everyone will be worse than May. Not that either side have an embarrassment of riches...kentaddick said:
The time to do it would be it May gets outed by her own party. Although if the tories extremely quickly choose a new leader that might fall quickly on its arseShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.1 -
Really?????McBobbin said:
I think labour will be in the better position. I think that anyone will be better than Corbyn (asuuming it isn't a momentum shill, a bold assumption I grant you), but for the Tories, everyone will be worse than May. Not that either side have an embarrassment of riches...kentaddick said:
The time to do it would be it May gets outed by her own party. Although if the tories extremely quickly choose a new leader that might fall quickly on its arseShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.
And if I were to mention, for example, Kate Hoey.....7 -
Even the tories will back the new leader, in a HOC vote of no confidence, they have just selected, even if just in the short term.kentaddick said:
The time to do it would be it May gets outed by her own party. Although if the tories extremely quickly choose a new leader that might fall quickly on its arseShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.
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She'd be Fantastic. A woman of skill and integrity. Ok ... So perhaps "anyone" was an exaggeration... But there must be at least 5? That is truly the best I can doNornIrishAddick said:
Really?????McBobbin said:
I think labour will be in the better position. I think that anyone will be better than Corbyn (asuuming it isn't a momentum shill, a bold assumption I grant you), but for the Tories, everyone will be worse than May. Not that either side have an embarrassment of riches...kentaddick said:
The time to do it would be it May gets outed by her own party. Although if the tories extremely quickly choose a new leader that might fall quickly on its arseShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.
And if I were to mention, for example, Kate Hoey.....2 - Sponsored links:
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It does make delaying the leave date beyond 31 March more likely IMHO0
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Appointing another remainer is a complete waste of time. If it comes to it they need to appoint a hardish line brexiteer. Extend article 50. Sit back and watch said brexiteer head over to Brussels to get a ground breaking deal. Fail miserably. Head back to the UK with his/her tail between their legs.
People vote.
Brexit back in the box and off to the dump with it.4 -
Corbyn's not going to call for a vote of no confidence.
IMO, his main aim is to avoid setting out a policy on Brexit as this would divide the party. He wants Brexit settled before any general election with the Tories taking the blame for the entire mess.11 -
ShootersHillGuru said:
If ERG feel that there is a real risk that should Labour call a vote of no confidence and the government loses with the DUP still unable to support whatever deal May brings to the house next time so votes against the government then they will put forward an alternative leader and call a contest. If they don’t and the scenario I describe plays out then there will have to be a general election and Brexit could then theoretically be in jeopardy. They won’t allow that possibility. The problem ERG have is that they have to go for broke before any no confidence vote is tabled. Have they the numbers and have they the balls ? I think they are very close to pressing the button.
ShootersHillGuru said:
I’m forming my opinion based on what was in many of yesterday’s newspapers. I think they lacked the numbers a couple of weeks ago because many of the disgruntled Tories were prepared to wait and see what May could do more. I do not think that “assurances” and changes to the language used in the WA will appease many and certainly not the DUP. That ensures the deal will fail when eventually voted on. Can ERG and the Tory brexiters risk a vote of no confidence directly following the vote and despite all Tories rallying to the flag still losing because the DUP are still pissed ? That would mean a General Election. If that happens the Brexit the Tory party want is unlikely to happen. Far less risky to get a new leader in now to steady the good ship Brexit.se9addick said:
The ERG couldn’t even drum up 48 no confidence letters when their head priest made his move a couple of weeks ago. I don’t understand why people pay them so much attention.ShootersHillGuru said:If ERG feel that there is a real risk that should Labour call a vote of no confidence and the government loses with the DUP still unable to support whatever deal May brings to the house next time so votes against the government then they will put forward an alternative leader and call a contest. If they don’t and the scenario I describe plays out then there will have to be a general election and Brexit could then theoretically be in jeopardy. They won’t allow that possibility. The problem ERG have is that they have to go for broke before any no confidence vote is tabled. Have they the numbers and have they the balls ? I think they are very close to pressing the button.
ShootersHillGuru said:
See my post above.Henry Irving said:
They have already pressed the button.ShootersHillGuru said:If ERG feel that there is a real risk that should Labour call a vote of no confidence and the government loses with the DUP still unable to support whatever deal May brings to the house next time so votes against the government then they will put forward an alternative leader and call a contest. If they don’t and the scenario I describe plays out then there will have to be a general election and Brexit could then theoretically be in jeopardy. They won’t allow that possibility. The problem ERG have is that they have to go for broke before any no confidence vote is tabled. Have they the numbers and have they the balls ? I think they are very close to pressing the button.
Rees-Mogg called for MPs to submit letters, presumably in the belief that he had the numbers when the May deal was announced but the coup flopped when they didn't get the 48 letters required.
It maybe that the numbers are now there but will they risk another embarrassing failure?
I’m forming my opinion based on what was in many of yesterday’s newspapers. I think they lacked the numbers a couple of weeks ago because many of the disgruntled Tories were prepared to wait and see what May could do more.
Just saying ;0)
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There is little point waiting for May's deal to be put to the vote as it is unlikely to happen.ShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.1 -
If that's possible. Needs each and every EU country to agree.Henry Irving said:It does make delaying the leave date beyond 31 March more likely IMHO
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The question arises whether the rest of the EU states would (as required) unanimously agree to an article 50 delay?
The possible irony is that a request to delay - in order to hold a Tory leadership election (with the strong possibility of a 'Brexit' supporting winner), or to hold a second referendum, or a general election (both with uncertain outcomes for Brexit from the point of view of the EU) - might not receive that unanimity, so to avoid crashing out on March 29th the UK may need to exercise it's newly clarified right to cancel article 50?1 -
That’s not necessarily when it’s best to call for a Labour vote of no confidence. The time will be perhaps tomorrow should she lose because there won’t be another PM in place until at least mid January. Hardly stable given the timescales involved in Brexit. Having said that the DUP won’t support the vote unless this deal is still on the table. My guess is that it won’t come until a “no deal” is looking likely.MuttleyCAFC said:
There is little point waiting for May's deal to be put to the vote as it is unlikely to happen.ShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.
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Another one putting party before country thenJints said:Corbyn's not going to call for a vote of no confidence.
IMO, his main aim is to avoid setting out a policy on Brexit as this would divide the party. He wants Brexit settled before any general election with the Tories taking the blame for the entire mess.
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I do see that tomorrow has its merits too. I think today was/is a serious option, but events are so fluid.ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s not necessarily when it’s best to call for a Labour vote of no confidence. The time will be perhaps tomorrow should she lose because there won’t be another PM in place until at least mid January. Hardly stable given the timescales involved in Brexit. Having said that the DUP won’t support the vote unless this deal is still on the table. My guess is that it won’t come until a “no deal” is looking likely.MuttleyCAFC said:
There is little point waiting for May's deal to be put to the vote as it is unlikely to happen.ShootersHillGuru said:
Would be a tactical disaster although good for the craic.MuttleyCAFC said:Today is the day for Corbyn's no confidence vote.
Putting in a vote of no confidence at the point where the PM has just got a vote of support from her MP’s would be ridiculous. That’s the risk for Corbyn.
There will come a time but it’s not now.0 -
Jints said:
Corbyn's not going to call for a vote of no confidence.
IMO, his main aim is to avoid setting out a policy on Brexit as this would divide the party. He wants Brexit settled before any general election with the Tories taking the blame for the entire mess.
Oh, you beat me to it.kentaddick said:
Another one putting party before country thenJints said:Corbyn's not going to call for a vote of no confidence.
IMO, his main aim is to avoid setting out a policy on Brexit as this would divide the party. He wants Brexit settled before any general election with the Tories taking the blame for the entire mess.
Clearly it's not just a Tory problem.0 -
UK can revoke A50 of it's own accordJints said:
If that's possible. Needs each and every EU country to agree.Henry Irving said:It does make delaying the leave date beyond 31 March more likely IMHO
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It can revoke it but can't suspend it.Henry Irving said:
UK can revoke A50 of it's own accordJints said:
If that's possible. Needs each and every EU country to agree.Henry Irving said:It does make delaying the leave date beyond 31 March more likely IMHO
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Correct - to kick it down the road it would require unanimous agreement of the 27.Jints said:
It can revoke it but can't suspend it.Henry Irving said:
UK can revoke A50 of it's own accordJints said:
If that's possible. Needs each and every EU country to agree.Henry Irving said:It does make delaying the leave date beyond 31 March more likely IMHO
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David Cameron has a lot to bloody answer for!6
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Wancker.The Red Robin said:5 -
Yeah, this sounds like a fucking delightful choice from where I'm sitting!Henry Irving said:
Lied on the side of a bus. Only destroyed one vital arm of Government. How quaint!0 -
