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Lyle Taylor on racism in football
Henry Irving
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Good lad Lyle!3
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Man love for Lyle. Proud he plays for us.11
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Lyle Taylor is 100% right in everything he says.
His only omission is that he could call on us, the fans, to challenge racist language and behaviour ourselves when we encounter it. I know it isn't easy, and 'reporting it' is probably the best idea for a lot of people who hate the racism, but for me I feel better by challenging it directly at whatever cost and risk.
Sometime I feel my personal physical well being comes second to standing up for what I think is right.
Many years ago, under the pseudonym of 'Charles Lee' (my middle name and my location) I wrote an article in VOTV following our final game at Selhurst against West ham, when I turned and challenged the man behind me describing Paul Mortimer as a 'spook' amongst other racist terms.
That was how many years ago?
What I wrote then was as much about the lack of support I received from fans around me when I challenged the guy as it was about the vile racism from the bloke behind me.
Yet it still goes on today. Paul Mortimer was a masterful footballer, not a player defined by the colour of his skin but the twinkle in his toes, can't all fans see that yet?
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Well said Lyle.3
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You would have to be a monumental idiot to take a banana to a sporting event nowadays regardless of whether your sole intention was to eat it, Lyle is spot on in everything he says. Can't believe it is still an issue in this day and age.3
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Sorry @Pelling1993Pelling1993 said:You would have to be a monumental idiot to take a banana to a sporting event nowadays regardless of whether your sole intention was to eat it, Lyle is spot on in everything he says. Can't believe it is still an issue in this day and age.
But this is the stupidest thing I have ever read...
Banana's are a food source. That is literally all they are to humans.
I am a banana eater and I'd much prefer a banana to most of the crap the club sells.
However I usually get one of those ridiculous burgers from the van outside the covered end before a game instead.
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Good stuff Lyle0
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the words used in the clip a few older generation would probably still use those words - does that make it right - nope but if 2 80 + Year olds were having the conversation mentioned privately and not shouting abuse out or doing racist gestures, i do not know what punishment would be appropriate.1
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But they knew it wasn't right as they asked "can we still say *****" while laughing. It was no innocent mistake.palarsehater said:the words used in the clip a few older generation would probably still use those words - does that make it right - nope but if 2 80 + Year olds were having the conversation mentioned privately and not shouting abuse out or doing racist gestures, i do not know what punishment would be appropriate.
And that term, unlike say "coloured", was never a polite word, always a slur.
And it wasn't a private conversation. They were sat in a football stadium
And even if they were over 80 (which we don't know) and considered it private (which it wasn't) it was still racist and the club should have done more.9 -
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PH said in his post "does using those words make it right- nope" So he did not condone the use of them. He went on to say what would the punishment be?Henry Irving said:
But they knew it wasn't right as they asked "can we still say *****" while laughing. It was no innocent mistake.palarsehater said:the words used in the clip a few older generation would probably still use those words - does that make it right - nope but if 2 80 + Year olds were having the conversation mentioned privately and not shouting abuse out or doing racist gestures, i do not know what punishment would be appropriate.
And that term, unlike say "coloured", was never a polite word, always a slur.
And it wasn't a private conversation. They were sat in a football stadium
And even if they were over 80 (which we don't know) and considered it private (which it wasn't) it was still racist and the club should have done more.0 -
If I could have lolled this twice I would have done, stupid comment.Pelling1993 said:You would have to be a monumental idiot to take a banana to a sporting event nowadays regardless of whether your sole intention was to eat it, Lyle is spot on in everything he says. Can't believe it is still an issue in this day and age.0 -
Yes, I know, I read what he said.eaststandmike said:
PH said in his post "does using those words make it right- nope" So he did not condone the use of them. He went on to say what would the punishment be?Henry Irving said:
But they knew it wasn't right as they asked "can we still say *****" while laughing. It was no innocent mistake.palarsehater said:the words used in the clip a few older generation would probably still use those words - does that make it right - nope but if 2 80 + Year olds were having the conversation mentioned privately and not shouting abuse out or doing racist gestures, i do not know what punishment would be appropriate.
And that term, unlike say "coloured", was never a polite word, always a slur.
And it wasn't a private conversation. They were sat in a football stadium
And even if they were over 80 (which we don't know) and considered it private (which it wasn't) it was still racist and the club should have done more.
The implication was that as over 80s and speaking in private they was little sanction that could be given.
I disagree.
They knew what they were saying and have been allowed to get away with it but telling the guy "you shouldn't have been listening to our private conversation".0 -
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Taking a banana to football as a food source? Make sure mummy packs a Five-Alive for refreshment.9
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ValleyGary said:Taking a banana to football as a food source? Make sure mummy packs a Five-Alive for refreshment.
I'm sure that there are parents that take their children and take fruit as a snack rather than eating football ground food.2 -
The old man gave me a sip of his warm pint and a raw burger back in the day. Little shits are missing out.cafcdave123 said:ValleyGary said:Taking a banana to football as a food source? Make sure mummy packs a Five-Alive for refreshment.
I'm sure that there are parents that take their children and take fruit as a snack rather than eating football ground food.10 -
the point i was making was the 2 chaps in the mentioned example were not "deliberately" racially abusing someone very different to throwing bananas, making monkey noises, hissing about gas chambers etc. so what punishment would people like to be set?Henry Irving said:
But they knew it wasn't right as they asked "can we still say *****" while laughing. It was no innocent mistake.palarsehater said:the words used in the clip a few older generation would probably still use those words - does that make it right - nope but if 2 80 + Year olds were having the conversation mentioned privately and not shouting abuse out or doing racist gestures, i do not know what punishment would be appropriate.
And that term, unlike say "coloured", was never a polite word, always a slur.
And it wasn't a private conversation. They were sat in a football stadium
And even if they were over 80 (which we don't know) and considered it private (which it wasn't) it was still racist and the club should have done more.
the reason i mention age is my grandad, which i have used as an example before ( passed away now ) would often say things that would be percieved as racist by today's standards which is in his mind he really wouldn't mean offence, i've even seen a only fools and horses episode where they have come out with the " del the p**i shop wont let us have anything more on tick".
2 ( if ) old boys sat watching a match and one says to the other what was said in example i don't think a trip to Guantanamo bay is in order, on the flip side of course you cannot be casually racist and just apologise for it afterwards its a very tough issue to tackle.0 -
and if you are taking fruit to a football match - i also wish you wasnt in the stadium #AMF1
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The West Ham game was May 1991 I think - just a few years later, Bristol City FA Cup replay at the valley 1994, I challenged a "fan" in the covered end for making similar comments to those you heard at Selhurst. I got a lot of support from those around me and the culprit put his head down for the rest of the game. I remember thinking that the tide was turning and racist comments would soon be a thing of the past. Several years later, I found out how wrong I was when I did something similar at Exeter City (in home end - we were living there at this time and I attended quite a few games - this was the last!) - my comments, although made in a non confrontational manner, were met with silence from most and menacing comments from the racist and his friends - I needed a police escort - for my own safety - to leave SJP. That's not judging Exeter City or most of it's support, but it was a real eye opener for me.seth plum said:Lyle Taylor is 100% right in everything he says.
His only omission is that he could call on us, the fans, to challenge racist language and behaviour ourselves when we encounter it. I know it isn't easy, and 'reporting it' is probably the best idea for a lot of people who hate the racism, but for me I feel better by challenging it directly at whatever cost and risk.
Sometime I feel my personal physical well being comes second to standing up for what I think is right.
Many years ago, under the pseudonym of 'Charles Lee' (my middle name and my location) I wrote an article in VOTV following our final game at Selhurst against West ham, when I turned and challenged the man behind me describing Paul Mortimer as a 'spook' amongst other racist terms.
That was how many years ago?
What I wrote then was as much about the lack of support I received from fans around me when I challenged the guy as it was about the vile racism from the bloke behind me.
Yet it still goes on today. Paul Mortimer was a masterful footballer, not a player defined by the colour of his skin but the twinkle in his toes, can't all fans see that yet?
Living in Bermuda, I get to very few Charlton games these days. The recent Portsmouth game being the first in 2 years, so I'm not around much to gauge the behaviour of our fans at the Valley. Do people still make racist remarks? Are they challenged by those around them?1 -
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They're missing out on more than just little shits if they're not eating raw burgers.ValleyGary said:
The old man gave me a sip of his warm pint and a raw burger back in the day. Little shits are missing out.cafcdave123 said:ValleyGary said:Taking a banana to football as a food source? Make sure mummy packs a Five-Alive for refreshment.
I'm sure that there are parents that take their children and take fruit as a snack rather than eating football ground food.
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palarsehater said:and if you are taking fruit to a football match - i also wish you wasnt in the stadium #AMF
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Can't watch as I am at work. Is this interview with Troy Townsend? (father of Andros)
He was at the training ground last week when I popped in and seemed a popular bloke. Nice guy too - had time for anyone that stopped to talk to him and wasn't at all Billy big Bollocks.
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cafcdave123 said:ValleyGary said:Taking a banana to football as a food source? Make sure mummy packs a Five-Alive for refreshment.
I'm sure that there are parents that take their children and take fruit as a snack rather than eating football ground food.
Poor parenting! My kids get a pint of lager, a burger and two cigarettes to smoke in the bogs when I take them to football.3 -
Dont you mean Um-Bongo?ValleyGary said:Taking a banana to football as a food source? Make sure mummy packs a Five-Alive for refreshment.1 -
No, it's not in the league of those other things you list but it's still not right.palarsehater said:
the point i was making was the 2 chaps in the mentioned example were not "deliberately" racially abusing someone very different to throwing bananas, making monkey noises, hissing about gas chambers etc. so what punishment would people like to be set?Henry Irving said:
But they knew it wasn't right as they asked "can we still say *****" while laughing. It was no innocent mistake.palarsehater said:the words used in the clip a few older generation would probably still use those words - does that make it right - nope but if 2 80 + Year olds were having the conversation mentioned privately and not shouting abuse out or doing racist gestures, i do not know what punishment would be appropriate.
And that term, unlike say "coloured", was never a polite word, always a slur.
And it wasn't a private conversation. They were sat in a football stadium
And even if they were over 80 (which we don't know) and considered it private (which it wasn't) it was still racist and the club should have done more.
the reason i mention age is my grandad, which i have used as an example before ( passed away now ) would often say things that would be percieved as racist by today's standards which is in his mind he really wouldn't mean offence, i've even seen a only fools and horses episode where they have come out with the " del the p**i shop wont let us have anything more on tick".
2 ( if ) old boys sat watching a match and one says to the other what was said in example i don't think a trip to Guantanamo bay is in order, on the flip side of course you cannot be casually racist and just apologise for it afterwards its a very tough issue to tackle.
And yes, there was racist language on TV.
But these guys, whose age we don't know, knew they were being racist, they were laughing about it.
And no one said send them to Guantanamo Bay but where was the apology from the club? Where was the genuine apology from the fans who's view seemed to be "you shouldn't have been listening". They appear to have shown no contrition or made any attempt to address the issue. So next week they can say to each other "better check who's sitting near us before we call a black player a ****, in case we get caught again, ha ha"2 -
Des sounds like an intelligent fella...PaddyP17 said:palarsehater said:and if you are taking fruit to a football match - i also wish you wasnt in the stadium #AMF0 -
Sheffield United Women forward Sophie Jones has been banned for five games after being found guilty of racially abusing Tottenham player Renee Hector.
Hector claimed she "received some monkey noises" from an opponent during a Championship match on 6 January.
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Yes, it is TTSwisdom said:Can't watch as I am at work. Is this interview with Troy Townsend? (father of Andros)
He was at the training ground last week when I popped in and seemed a popular bloke. Nice guy too - had time for anyone that stopped to talk to him and wasn't at all Billy big Bollocks.
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Said it before, he definitely has potential for a meaningful career in something well beyond hanging his boots up.ValleyGary said:Man love for Lyle. Proud he plays for us.
Comes across as a top bloke.4
