IGOR - Gone West(erlo) p.10

SoundAsa£ said:

wmcf123 said:

Ben18 said:

Igor was in the changing room after the game jumping up and down to “twist and shout”

Fingers crossed he’ll be back

We have missed him badly. Parker is willing but really has zero quality

He doesn’t have zero quality.....that’s insultingly OTT.
He does have some.......just not as much as Igor.

Ben18 said:

Igor was in the changing room after the game jumping up and down to “twist and shout”

Fingers crossed he’ll be back

Sage said:

Redrobo said:

Sage said:

PragueAddick said:

Sage said:

sam3110 said:

According to Instagram his wife and kids have moved out to their home in Malaga for the summer, so I doubt Igor is going to play again this season (and don't be surprised if he joins a second division team in the Malaga region in the summer)

Igor is with them. And I agree, I think that’s him done now. Although they went to Malaga last summer so I believe that’s just their summer home, don’t read into it as him going out there to play.

Since it is you writing that, I've got to let go of the hope I had that he might be on the bench Friday and so likely to be available if we got to Wembley. Gutted for us and for him. Do you know more about his injury, and how it happened? And in your opinion, is he "injury prone" and if so do you have an opinion on why? I mean, are there any patterns in players who are seen as  "injury prone"? 

Oh well. I take heart from watching Parker yesterday. He didn't let anybody down, and I hope he himself gained confidence from his contribution

Unfortunately with all the bits of information we can gather, it does look as though he won’t make it even if we get to Wembley. Personally I am surprised, because unless he has torn one of his quadriceps or pulled it too badly, I would have thought a couple of weeks out and he will be back in training. I don’t see any reason why the club would let him travel to southern Spain if they thought he would make it, they’d have him on the machines and in the recovery sleeves to help what Bowyer has called, “healing time”. So on that basis, and I haven’t been told anything, it looks as though we have seen the last of Vetokele. However, and I know it seems as though I am sitting on the fence, but unless they have made the collective decision that the warm weather can aid his recovery and he comes back next week if we progress to the final. 

Bowyer said that on the Thursday before Rochdale at home they were doing a finishing session, Igor felt his quads tighten up and had to go in and not able to finish the session.

Do I believe he is injury prone? No is the answer. I don’t like the term injury prone for starters as I believe it is all about rehabilitation and ensuring you have the correct ratio in strength between dynamic and stabilisers for example. No athlete should ever get a hamstring injury for example, never, but it’s one of the most common because they do not have to correct ratio, often their quads are far too strong and hamstrings far too weak. That can also cause an injury in both sets of muscles. Hamstrings should in fact be stronger than quads, but in footballers, that mainly is not the case. I do believe he has had previous poor treatment on historical injuries which has not helped him at all. We know he was made to play through his achilles injury when he first was here, but what we don’t know is the level and quality of treatment he received when he was out on loan.

There is no argument that he has had a variety of different injuries, achilles, pubis, shoulder dislocation, and now this quad. He has had an operation on at least two of those injuries. Do I think there is more to it than just being unlucky and unfortunate? Yes, I do. But I don’t think injury prone is correct.

It seems as though Vetokele could do with a strict plan, both diet and training, but the training must be completed with someone qualified, and not to be left to train alone. Igor seems a bright and intelligent man, but athletes often do not do the correct things or they do too much of specific things and they get injured that way. If he was not to play for us again, I wish him all the best, and I hope he gets the correct plan to develop his fitness and strength before doing anything football and sport specific. He needs a whole macro, meso and microcycle plan.

Patterns with players who are injured more regularly? If I’d have to give an answer, I’d have to say yes. The pattern being these players are probably not the most naturally fit, they may not have the most athletic genes, but Cullen for example we have been told is naturally a fit player, he is lucky he has good genes. I would be keen to know if there is a correlation between players who are injured more regularly and if they ever had an injury growing up and what type of treatment did they receive. As I said, for me it is all about rehabilitation and as much as some people may think what they like about the medical team here at Charlton, it is very good, but only part of the job is done at the training ground, what if these players do not put in the work in their own time? The other factor to consider is when a player is injured, do they work on other parts of their body, or do they compensate? Do they only work on the area of which they’re injured? I do think there is a pattern hidden somewhere, and if someone can find that pattern and can identify where things need to specifically be improved, they’d make a lot of money and help a lot of athletes across a range of sports.

Hope that answered your questions enough, @PragueAddick

Very interesting Sage, I was talking to a physiotherapist a few weeks ago and he was saying that footballers don’t get taught to run properly, and if they were, they would be faster, have better muscle balance and pick up fewer injuries. 

Do you agree the faster bit? The rest I guess is pretty much what you are saying?

Completely agree. Biomechanically most footballers are not correct or aligned. That has a big influence. There is a lot of scientific research that suggests we shouldn’t really be coaching football specific skills and training as much as we do until the age of around 12-14. Before that we should be teaching them how to do things correctly. Learning the right technique for running would make players better athletes and ultimately reduce the risk of injuries longer term.

KiwiValley said:

Sage said:

Redrobo said:

Sage said:

PragueAddick said:

Sage said:

sam3110 said:

According to Instagram his wife and kids have moved out to their home in Malaga for the summer, so I doubt Igor is going to play again this season (and don't be surprised if he joins a second division team in the Malaga region in the summer)

Igor is with them. And I agree, I think that’s him done now. Although they went to Malaga last summer so I believe that’s just their summer home, don’t read into it as him going out there to play.

Since it is you writing that, I've got to let go of the hope I had that he might be on the bench Friday and so likely to be available if we got to Wembley. Gutted for us and for him. Do you know more about his injury, and how it happened? And in your opinion, is he "injury prone" and if so do you have an opinion on why? I mean, are there any patterns in players who are seen as  "injury prone"? 

Oh well. I take heart from watching Parker yesterday. He didn't let anybody down, and I hope he himself gained confidence from his contribution

Unfortunately with all the bits of information we can gather, it does look as though he won’t make it even if we get to Wembley. Personally I am surprised, because unless he has torn one of his quadriceps or pulled it too badly, I would have thought a couple of weeks out and he will be back in training. I don’t see any reason why the club would let him travel to southern Spain if they thought he would make it, they’d have him on the machines and in the recovery sleeves to help what Bowyer has called, “healing time”. So on that basis, and I haven’t been told anything, it looks as though we have seen the last of Vetokele. However, and I know it seems as though I am sitting on the fence, but unless they have made the collective decision that the warm weather can aid his recovery and he comes back next week if we progress to the final. 

Bowyer said that on the Thursday before Rochdale at home they were doing a finishing session, Igor felt his quads tighten up and had to go in and not able to finish the session.

Do I believe he is injury prone? No is the answer. I don’t like the term injury prone for starters as I believe it is all about rehabilitation and ensuring you have the correct ratio in strength between dynamic and stabilisers for example. No athlete should ever get a hamstring injury for example, never, but it’s one of the most common because they do not have to correct ratio, often their quads are far too strong and hamstrings far too weak. That can also cause an injury in both sets of muscles. Hamstrings should in fact be stronger than quads, but in footballers, that mainly is not the case. I do believe he has had previous poor treatment on historical injuries which has not helped him at all. We know he was made to play through his achilles injury when he first was here, but what we don’t know is the level and quality of treatment he received when he was out on loan.

There is no argument that he has had a variety of different injuries, achilles, pubis, shoulder dislocation, and now this quad. He has had an operation on at least two of those injuries. Do I think there is more to it than just being unlucky and unfortunate? Yes, I do. But I don’t think injury prone is correct.

It seems as though Vetokele could do with a strict plan, both diet and training, but the training must be completed with someone qualified, and not to be left to train alone. Igor seems a bright and intelligent man, but athletes often do not do the correct things or they do too much of specific things and they get injured that way. If he was not to play for us again, I wish him all the best, and I hope he gets the correct plan to develop his fitness and strength before doing anything football and sport specific. He needs a whole macro, meso and microcycle plan.

Patterns with players who are injured more regularly? If I’d have to give an answer, I’d have to say yes. The pattern being these players are probably not the most naturally fit, they may not have the most athletic genes, but Cullen for example we have been told is naturally a fit player, he is lucky he has good genes. I would be keen to know if there is a correlation between players who are injured more regularly and if they ever had an injury growing up and what type of treatment did they receive. As I said, for me it is all about rehabilitation and as much as some people may think what they like about the medical team here at Charlton, it is very good, but only part of the job is done at the training ground, what if these players do not put in the work in their own time? The other factor to consider is when a player is injured, do they work on other parts of their body, or do they compensate? Do they only work on the area of which they’re injured? I do think there is a pattern hidden somewhere, and if someone can find that pattern and can identify where things need to specifically be improved, they’d make a lot of money and help a lot of athletes across a range of sports.

Hope that answered your questions enough, @PragueAddick

Very interesting Sage, I was talking to a physiotherapist a few weeks ago and he was saying that footballers don’t get taught to run properly, and if they were, they would be faster, have better muscle balance and pick up fewer injuries. 

Do you agree the faster bit? The rest I guess is pretty much what you are saying?

Completely agree. Biomechanically most footballers are not correct or aligned. That has a big influence. There is a lot of scientific research that suggests we shouldn’t really be coaching football specific skills and training as much as we do until the age of around 12-14. Before that we should be teaching them how to do things correctly. Learning the right technique for running would make players better athletes and ultimately reduce the risk of injuries longer term.

I would go as far as to say it’s been proven that early specialisation is not good for the athlete. Playing only one sport develops your athleticism in only one way and makes you prone to certain types of injuries. Football continues to produce stars because there is such a large funnel . shovel millions  of kids in at one end and enough will pop out the other end as stars. Oh and fck  the 99.99% of kids who aren’t good enough. If the whole world said right let’s let our best young athletes Play a few different sports in the formative years we’d have more stars and more resilient stars...oh and kids would grow up liking sport more.

wmcf123 said:

SoundAsa£ said:

wmcf123 said:

Ben18 said:

Igor was in the changing room after the game jumping up and down to “twist and shout”

Fingers crossed he’ll be back

We have missed him badly. Parker is willing but really has zero quality

He doesn’t have zero quality.....that’s insultingly OTT.
He does have some.......just not as much as Igor.

We’ll agree to disagree; by the way, I don’t dislike Parker at all. He’s put in an amazing shift in the last three games