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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Around the one way systemhappyvalley said:1648, The Sierras beat The Cavaliers in The Battle of Maidstone.8 -
So agree with you. Re-sign Boyer, JJ, get Bielek and Bauer back, keep Taylor, grab Eaves and Lamerias and a few other frees and call it a day. I think our squad cohesion is superb and we are over-reacting to relegation fears. I think our squad from this season is already as good as at least the bottom 1/3 of the Championship and maybe better than that. I think the goal is to stay up and re-evaluate at season’s end. I am in no hurry for the Premier League.golfaddick said:Can't be arsed to read all the posts this afternoon, but all I'd say about the forthcoming Championship season is that we just need to stay in it & stabilise for a couple of years.Do a Millwall & just stay up. Don't need to spend big & "spunk £30m"......just need to be better than 3 other teams. I'm looking forward to playing Leeds, Stoke & WBA and having a (nearly full) JS stand.......rather than playing Accrington & Burton who bring less than 300 fans.0 -
Would still be there at 1748, terrible in rush hourskillerandflash said:
Around the one way systemhappyvalley said:1648, The Sierras beat The Cavaliers in The Battle of Maidstone.4 -
if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.2
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The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.
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If you had your way how much net transfer money would we need to spend to not be bottom 6 this season?supaclive said:
The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.0 -
I reckon we need to spend at least £5 million in extra wages and transfer fees / signing on fees.... MINIMUMNapaAddick said:
If you had your way how much net transfer money would we need to spend to not be bottom 6 this season?supaclive said:
The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.
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I reckon we should start a takeover thread.7
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It'll never catch onJamesSeed said:I reckon we should start a takeover thread.5 -
Agreed.supaclive said:
I reckon we need to spend at least £5 million in extra wages and transfer fees / signing on fees.... MINIMUMNapaAddick said:
If you had your way how much net transfer money would we need to spend to not be bottom 6 this season?supaclive said:
The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.
Let’s just assume we do keep Bauer, Aribo, and Forster-Caskey. We still need to bring in a keeper, a centre back, a left back, a defensive midfielder, two centre midfielders, three attacking midfielders, three strikers. That’s 12 players.
That isn’t me being greedy, we need more depth this season, this is a step up and the young players like Lapslie will get found out, the older ones like Pratley may be a little passed it now unless he were to drop to centre back. We have lost Maxwell, Purrington, Bielik, Cullen, Reeves, Williams, Marshall, Fosu (even if he signs, he doesn’t stay), Vetokele, Parker, Ajose.
You can argue some of them didn’t feature much at all, Marshall, Ajose, Fosu for example, but we still need the numbers, we still need 4 strikers, we still need enough midfielders and options from the bench. It’s a 46 game league season with more quality than League One. We can get away with battling performances away at Wycombe for example, with a midfield who aren’t the best or greatest on the ball, but we can’t get away with it in the Championship.2 -
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Whilst i agree with you CE there must be a way the EFL could call upon anti competition legislation as surely the PL parachute payments go way beyond protecting a clubs finances from the shock of relegation and well into financial doping and assistance for future promotion. I asked Richard Murrey that once when he was moaning about EPPP rules i think it was but he just said it was for someone else to argue which i suspect most owners say hence nothing ever gets doneCovered End said:
Hilarious, as if anyone with half a brain would accept that.harveys_gardener said:The EFL needs to tell the Premiership that under the current top-heavy arrangements the clubs are not going to have promotion and relegation into the FAPL. Of course the top three will make their own arrangements but the teams coming down will have to start in the Conference or lower. Initial pain until salaries align with reduced income and the EFL TV rights would have to go elsewhere (possibly a plus). That is the only way I can see this crazy merry-go-round stabilising.
The Prem League will tell the EFL where to go as they always do & the EFL will say sorry,
Infact the EPL would possibly welcome no promotion and relegation.1 -
Nice in theory and about 15 years ago the model was right... but i am not convinced we are a viable business even at this level so 3 years slow growth means 3 years building losses and bloating the squad with average players on contracts. The time is now for a new owner to step in, wipe the majority of our debt away- say PP £20M which would be debt funded and RD haircuts the rest, new owner has a blank canvas with a very low cost squad to go and have a real go and all the summer to sort it. I expect RD to miss the boat however.golfaddick said:Can't be arsed to read all the posts this afternoon, but all I'd say about the forthcoming Championship season is that we just need to stay in it & stabilise for a couple of years.Do a Millwall & just stay up. Don't need to spend big & "spunk £30m"......just need to be better than 3 other teams. I'm looking forward to playing Leeds, Stoke & WBA and having a (nearly full) JS stand.......rather than playing Accrington & Burton who bring less than 300 fans.1 -
The Premier League say jump and the EFL say how high?Athletico Charlton said:
Whilst i agree with you CE there must be a way the EFL could call upon anti competition legislation as surely the PL parachute payments go way beyond protecting a clubs finances from the shock of relegation and well into financial doping and assistance for future promotion. I asked Richard Murrey that once when he was moaning about EPPP rules i think it was but he just said it was for someone else to argue which i suspect most owners say hence nothing ever gets doneCovered End said:
Hilarious, as if anyone with half a brain would accept that.harveys_gardener said:The EFL needs to tell the Premiership that under the current top-heavy arrangements the clubs are not going to have promotion and relegation into the FAPL. Of course the top three will make their own arrangements but the teams coming down will have to start in the Conference or lower. Initial pain until salaries align with reduced income and the EFL TV rights would have to go elsewhere (possibly a plus). That is the only way I can see this crazy merry-go-round stabilising.
The Prem League will tell the EFL where to go as they always do & the EFL will say sorry,
Infact the EPL would possibly welcome no promotion and relegation.
FFP rules were changed drastically after RD bought Charlton, because the Premier League threatened to reduce their payments to the EFL. So the EFL rolled over.1 -
Wake up Roly!!!!! This is your biggest chance of recouping your losses. Speculate to accumulate!!!!4
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5 million is about 100k a week, give or take. That's 5 goodish championship players. Most would want a 3 year contract, so that's a 15 million investment. Before any transfer fees. Would 5 players be enough to keep you up? Maybe, but it's a lot of money to gamble with.supaclive said:
I reckon we need to spend at least £5 million in extra wages and transfer fees / signing on fees.... MINIMUMNapaAddick said:
If you had your way how much net transfer money would we need to spend to not be bottom 6 this season?supaclive said:
The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.0 -
So apparently Bowyer is back from his holiday today. There better bloody be an improved contract offer sitting on his desk for him to sign.
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More like £10M, or a 100% increase. Take a gander at the Transfer thread.supaclive said:
I reckon we need to spend at least £5 million in extra wages and transfer fees / signing on fees.... MINIMUMNapaAddick said:
If you had your way how much net transfer money would we need to spend to not be bottom 6 this season?supaclive said:
The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.
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Then celebrated in Strawberry Moonshappyvalley said:1648, The Roundheads beat The Cavaliers in The Battle of Maidstone.2 -
Five million sounds a reasonable figure to me. It would need to be spent well, not pissed up the wall as in 2014 and 2015, but it would give Bowyer a chance.Cafc43v3r said:
5 million is about 100k a week, give or take. That's 5 goodish championship players. Most would want a 3 year contract, so that's a 15 million investment. Before any transfer fees. Would 5 players be enough to keep you up? Maybe, but it's a lot of money to gamble with.supaclive said:
I reckon we need to spend at least £5 million in extra wages and transfer fees / signing on fees.... MINIMUMNapaAddick said:
If you had your way how much net transfer money would we need to spend to not be bottom 6 this season?supaclive said:
The standard in The Championship is way above what we faced last year. We're a bottom 6 side currently with only one goalscoring centre forward and in desperate need of squad strength in depth.superclive said:if we could largely keep this side together including the loan players and add 4 quality players plus 6 squad players we could be surprised. this team has been outstanding. if RD wasnt such an imbecile he could make that happen and try to get us into the prem where he really could sell the club for a profit.
Even now you must be able to sign decent Championship players for less than £20k a week. The typical salary of an experienced Championship player at Charlton five years ago was about £5k. The average Championship wage bill is only 50 per cent higher now and that is distorted by large payments from clubs aiming for promotion or coming out of the PL with parachute payments.
Even if the average player salary cost across the division is £20k, which it won’t be given the other football and non-football costs in the total, It’s reasonable to assume you can sign decent players on £10k-£12k.
Transfer fees aren’t a recurring cost and astute signings should have a potential resale value if the team is relegated. It’s untrue that most new players sign three year deals - Forster-Caskey, Fosu, Page, Clarke, Reeves, Marshall, Taylor, for example - but that is a trade-off against resale value. In any event, Duchatelet has been shown to favour loan players.
For me the point is more that the average player will command significantly more than Charlton were paying in L1, and the evidence suggests that consequence of trying to stay up paying L1 wages, sooner or later, tends to be playing in L1.
Anyway, if Duchatelet doesn’t like the idea of spending more money he knows what to do.
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Would Duchatelet send us into the new Championship season with a league one budget?
From his prespective, losses will be at a min for a season, and with the club being in the championship, he may well believe someone will meet his asking price..
Which worries me as this saga will keep going.0 -
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Yes, quite possibly.charltonaddickedmatt said:Would Duchatelet send us into the new Championship season with a league one budget?
From his prespective, losses will be at a min for a season, and with the club being in the championship, he may well believe someone will meet his asking price..
He appears to believe that it is losses that deter buyers not the price.
He isn't rational.4 -
If Bowyer remains in charge I'd hope he could assemble a squad with a fighting chance of staying up. I doubt he'd stay if RD offers no budget.0
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We will sign players and with Bowyer and Gallen I think we will sign players who give us a fighting spirit. Hopefully that’s enough to make us difficult to beat and we stay up. The fear is how much quality we will have to win games.
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He has already said that the Championship is "a financial graveyard" because a majority of the clubs are gambling big and investing in promotion bids, most of which fail. He won't do this, so why waste his extra revenue when he can use it to help offset operating losses? He will rely on the manager to do what Bowyer did this season and over-perform with limited resources. Duchatelet doesn't care about the football and a swift relegation wouldn't bother him unduly. In Bowyer he had a chance we can survive in the Championship this season. If he fails to secure his signature we are very likely to go down but he probably doesn't really understand that or care too much either.charltonaddickedmatt said:Would Duchatelet send us into the new Championship season with a league one budget?
From his prespective, losses will be at a min for a season, and with the club being in the championship, he may well believe someone will meet his asking price..
Which worries me as this saga will keep going.7 -
Team spirit has this season been about as good if not better than I’ve ever seen it in my 58 years of support. It really does count for a lot. I think that signing the right characters and the fostering of a good dressing room have been fundamental to Bowyers success. In league one we also had a squad of players that were arguably collectively right up there as the best in the division. I’m confident that team spirit won’t be the issue next season under Bowyer but I’m equally confident that our squad will have done very well should we stay up. I always think that it’s the manager that is the key to success regardless of players ( within reason) and Bowyer has for me got that X factor. Provided we don’t sell Taylor and build astutely like last season I feel that we might actually stay up relatively easily and hit a comfortable mid table.cafcfan1990 said:We will sign players and with Bowyer and Gallen I think we will sign players who give us a fighting spirit. Hopefully that’s enough to make us difficult to beat and we stay up. The fear is how much quality we will have to win games.6 -
Nope doesn't bloody work. Ignore.
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Agree 100% and that’s what is giving me a bit of hope. We all know under Roland that Bowyer won’t be given the money to mount a serious challenge. But all we can hope is that we remain competitive.ShootersHillGuru said:
Team spirit has this season been about as good if not better than I’ve ever seen it in my 58 years of support. It really does count for a lot. I think that signing the right characters and the fostering of a good dressing room have been fundamental to Bowyers success. In league one we also had a squad of players that were arguably collectively right up there as the best in the division. I’m confident that team spirit won’t be the issue next season under Bowyer but I’m equally confident that our squad will have done very well should we stay up. I always think that it’s the manager that is the key to success regardless of players ( within reason) and Bowyer has for me got that X factor. Provided we don’t sell Taylor and build astutely like last season I feel that we might actually stay up relatively easily and hit a comfortable mid table.cafcfan1990 said:We will sign players and with Bowyer and Gallen I think we will sign players who give us a fighting spirit. Hopefully that’s enough to make us difficult to beat and we stay up. The fear is how much quality we will have to win games.
The right recruitment even with a small budget makes that achievable even if slightly more difficult.0 -
The Rats EGO is in charge---- not a "business case" its his EGO proving to the World how clever and right he is.
All this "one day soon" he will cut his loses is assuming your dealing with a RATIONAL business man supported by managers who can guide his mistakes back to Planet Earth-----this isnt the case with Rolands Ego and his army of yes men/women.
He sells when he can spin to the Belgian press etc he has been proved right all along or he dies and his next of kin sell3 -
Just want to hear that, Bowyer and backroom staff have signed an improved contract or this will take another unique and weird duct tape step in the surreal world of the Sale of Charlton.0
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