The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

PopIcon said:

Duck-Killer Brown said:

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https://www.andrewmcdowall.co.uk/onlineCatalogue/

It would appear this guy is also a model for Andrew McDowall.

NapaAddick said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Cafc43v3r said:

blackpool72 said:

razil said:

Cafc43v3r said:

razil said:

So can we 'blame' Duchatelet? In my view yes, no-one forced him to buy the club, and it appears that he didn't do his homework. He's also wasted a LOT of money with poor hiring, and a flawed strategy in a number of ways, all of which has been rehearsed many times on this site.

Sorry I didn't mean its not Roland's fault he has wasted so much money and didn't have a credible plan.  I ment that if he went tomorrow unless the new owner was prepared to put in a crazy amount of money we wouldn't be much better off.

Anyone that is prepared to spunk so much money, on a club they have no emotional link with, is probably not fit and proper in the 1st place. This is a problem the EFL now have, do you let an owner you know to be a risk take over a club or do you let it go into liquidation?  I belive that was a choice they had to make with Sunderland in the summer. 

Not sure I agree, surely the prestige and money from owning a Premier League club is a factor?

Absolutely this.
Abramovich was not a Chelsea supporter when he bought them.

Abramovich bought Chelsea when they had qualified for the champions league.   The money he threw at Chelsea, that was seen as obscene at the time, is chicken feed compared to what has happened at City.

If your prepared to risk, say for sake of argument 150-200 million, on a club like us, with out any guarantee of even getting to the premier league you need your head testing.  Or you have serious cash, if your in the later camp you might as well buy Arsenal. 

It'd cost about 1.5-2bn to buy Arsenal these days. If you had that sort of cash it'd be better to look at a club with potential (like the UAE lot with Newcastle) that you can buy for 300-400m and then spend 600m on the team. If they do that Newcastle will be better than Arsenal anyway, so i think people would be crazy to buy Arsenal right now. Ok they're a big club with worldwide support, but worldwide support doesn't win you games.

But with the spending power of teams in the Prem, spending 600mil at Newcastle doesn’t mean you are going to do anything. So you could end up wasting a billion. Look at United, spent all that money and haven’t progressed, in fact gone backwards. 

600m is an entire team of 50m players. I'd like to bet that if you gave Benitez 600m he'd get them into Europe. Wolves have spent a fraction of that and got 7th.

And that’s the highest they will ever finish spending that amount. With the six clubs above them having literally 2-3x as much to spend or more, Wolves have likely hit their ceiling.

Cafc43v3r said:

Sorry but if you WANT to spend £500 million on players at a club like Newcastle, who the hell are you going to buy?  If the player is good enough they will go to one of the top 6 in England, Barca, Real, PSG, Juve or Munich.  If they aren't going to be good enough for them you won't catch them with a team full of them will you?   It's a bit like saying Real Madrid are worth £3 billion, you might as well buy us then chuck £2 billion in the transfer kitty. 

Dazzler21 said:

NapaAddick said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Cafc43v3r said:

blackpool72 said:

razil said:

Cafc43v3r said:

razil said:

So can we 'blame' Duchatelet? In my view yes, no-one forced him to buy the club, and it appears that he didn't do his homework. He's also wasted a LOT of money with poor hiring, and a flawed strategy in a number of ways, all of which has been rehearsed many times on this site.

Sorry I didn't mean its not Roland's fault he has wasted so much money and didn't have a credible plan.  I ment that if he went tomorrow unless the new owner was prepared to put in a crazy amount of money we wouldn't be much better off.

Anyone that is prepared to spunk so much money, on a club they have no emotional link with, is probably not fit and proper in the 1st place. This is a problem the EFL now have, do you let an owner you know to be a risk take over a club or do you let it go into liquidation?  I belive that was a choice they had to make with Sunderland in the summer. 

Not sure I agree, surely the prestige and money from owning a Premier League club is a factor?

Absolutely this.
Abramovich was not a Chelsea supporter when he bought them.

Abramovich bought Chelsea when they had qualified for the champions league.   The money he threw at Chelsea, that was seen as obscene at the time, is chicken feed compared to what has happened at City.

If your prepared to risk, say for sake of argument 150-200 million, on a club like us, with out any guarantee of even getting to the premier league you need your head testing.  Or you have serious cash, if your in the later camp you might as well buy Arsenal. 

It'd cost about 1.5-2bn to buy Arsenal these days. If you had that sort of cash it'd be better to look at a club with potential (like the UAE lot with Newcastle) that you can buy for 300-400m and then spend 600m on the team. If they do that Newcastle will be better than Arsenal anyway, so i think people would be crazy to buy Arsenal right now. Ok they're a big club with worldwide support, but worldwide support doesn't win you games.

But with the spending power of teams in the Prem, spending 600mil at Newcastle doesn’t mean you are going to do anything. So you could end up wasting a billion. Look at United, spent all that money and haven’t progressed, in fact gone backwards. 

600m is an entire team of 50m players. I'd like to bet that if you gave Benitez 600m he'd get them into Europe. Wolves have spent a fraction of that and got 7th.

And that’s the highest they will ever finish spending that amount. With the six clubs above them having literally 2-3x as much to spend or more, Wolves have likely hit their ceiling.

How much did Leicester spend to win the league again?

Addickted said:

I'm still sticking with the Austrians.

Duck-Killer Brown said:

Rudders22 said:

Addickted said:

BigRedEvil said:

Reckon Roland got any extra cash for Gomez winning the CL?

With Meire negotiating the deal?

I suspect we probably owe Liverpool money.

No. I have just asked a mate and he confirmed no. 

Cafc43v3r said:

Dazzler21 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dazzler21 said:

NapaAddick said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Cafc43v3r said:

blackpool72 said:

razil said:

Cafc43v3r said:

razil said:

So can we 'blame' Duchatelet? In my view yes, no-one forced him to buy the club, and it appears that he didn't do his homework. He's also wasted a LOT of money with poor hiring, and a flawed strategy in a number of ways, all of which has been rehearsed many times on this site.

Sorry I didn't mean its not Roland's fault he has wasted so much money and didn't have a credible plan.  I ment that if he went tomorrow unless the new owner was prepared to put in a crazy amount of money we wouldn't be much better off.

Anyone that is prepared to spunk so much money, on a club they have no emotional link with, is probably not fit and proper in the 1st place. This is a problem the EFL now have, do you let an owner you know to be a risk take over a club or do you let it go into liquidation?  I belive that was a choice they had to make with Sunderland in the summer. 

Not sure I agree, surely the prestige and money from owning a Premier League club is a factor?

Absolutely this.
Abramovich was not a Chelsea supporter when he bought them.

Abramovich bought Chelsea when they had qualified for the champions league.   The money he threw at Chelsea, that was seen as obscene at the time, is chicken feed compared to what has happened at City.

If your prepared to risk, say for sake of argument 150-200 million, on a club like us, with out any guarantee of even getting to the premier league you need your head testing.  Or you have serious cash, if your in the later camp you might as well buy Arsenal. 

It'd cost about 1.5-2bn to buy Arsenal these days. If you had that sort of cash it'd be better to look at a club with potential (like the UAE lot with Newcastle) that you can buy for 300-400m and then spend 600m on the team. If they do that Newcastle will be better than Arsenal anyway, so i think people would be crazy to buy Arsenal right now. Ok they're a big club with worldwide support, but worldwide support doesn't win you games.

But with the spending power of teams in the Prem, spending 600mil at Newcastle doesn’t mean you are going to do anything. So you could end up wasting a billion. Look at United, spent all that money and haven’t progressed, in fact gone backwards. 

600m is an entire team of 50m players. I'd like to bet that if you gave Benitez 600m he'd get them into Europe. Wolves have spent a fraction of that and got 7th.

And that’s the highest they will ever finish spending that amount. With the six clubs above them having literally 2-3x as much to spend or more, Wolves have likely hit their ceiling.

How much did Leicester spend to win the league again?

Leicester are the counter point to any argument you can ever make about anything football and finance related. That doesn't hide the fact that Leicester were "doped" whilst in the championship. It was a fluke, it will never happen in our life times again.  Like Nottingham Forest winning back to back European cups. 

I don't believe in luck as many others do. Everything has a chance of happening, it's how you tilt odds in your favour through preparation, hard work and belief. Much like Bowyer has done this season.  

Winning the Premier League in a season that Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs etc all underestimated them. Their manager got his tactics spot on and the players played out of their skins. They gave it everything. 

Winning One European Cup could be 'Luck' as you put it, for me it's players excelling beyond their capabilities and being underestimated. 
Winning Two confirms it's more likely my belief than your 'Luck'.

I didn't say it was luck, I said it was a fluke, the perfect storm and you need all the cards to come up trumps.  If it wasn't a fluke it would happen all the time, it doesn't. 

Airman Brown said:

KBslittlesis said:

Bluebird Bestie has hunted for info re Tan and no one there has heard a thing. 
What they did say was nothing would surprise them as he is bonkers.  
Twinned with Cardiff anyone???

It's not Tan.