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Racism at the valley?
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I’m shocked by your post @DavidJarvis25 - well done for standing up to these idiots (and to the other fan that confronted them), this sort of behaviour is unacceptable6
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Which Stand was this in?DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.0 -
Not shocked, given that racism is on the increase again and that we have a number of absolute idiot fans. But very disappointed.
Hope they get rooted out and banned.4 -
Original report said Upper NorthForeverAddickted said:
Which Stand was this in?DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.1 -
It is a very difficult situation,if someone is chanting racist comments,the natural intuition is to tell them to shut up and piss off,but you could very well get involved in a confrontation,and although being the innocent party,get chucked out and banned.We have a considrable police presence at home games who congregate under the control box during the game,why not spread them around the ground .4
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What dispiriting reading.
Need banning orders and prosecutions to stamp out this behaviour, otherwise those abhorrent accusations of 'grass' and the like will only embolden those guttersnipes guilty of it.
And a good shoeing.4 -
Totally agree,these bastards think it is fashionable to act like this,they need telling otherwise.2
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How exactly does the facebook chap propose the club bans someone for reporting racism? Is he going to write a strongly worded email?
"I am very dissapointed to see a fan so vocally againt racism, I expect the club to immediately ban them."0 -
DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
Really shocked by this. If this had happened to me I would be in bits and I would have expected some help from a steward - or what is the point of having them?8 -
Feck me!
Probably just as well I don’t go anymore.
There is no way on gods green earth that I would stand around and let that happen.
And sod waiting for a steward to deal with it, tried that before, turned out the steward was mates with the eejits.
The only way to deal with these numbnuts is for all of us to confront them always.
Going to ban us all?
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Arsenetatters said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
Really shocked by this. If this had happened to me I would be in bits and I would have expected some help from a steward - or what is the point of having them?
To be fair, getting paid £5 an hour leaves little wriggle room to be a hero.Lastly, if you could all leave this type of behaviour in SE7 then it would be appreciated.
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DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
@DavidJarvis25
Hi David
First, that's a shocking and completely unacceptable experience for anyone to have at a football match. More importantly than anything else, I hope she's now ok.
Second, can I encourage you to make sure that the club is aware of what happened? It seems that, from what you have described, the abuse your friend received escalated from abuse to a hate incident, or worse. You shouldn't have to be the person who determines the severity of the incident, that should be, in the first instance (I think) down to the club. But they must be informed, beyond simply telling the steward. There is some interesting stuff here which shows what hate incidents are and explains why it's vital that they are acted upon: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/what-are-hate-incidents-and-hate-crime/ - please try to make time to drop the club an email.
Third, as this is something that happened at a football match and none of us wants football to start to return to the "bad old days" where racism was more widely accepted, it would be great if you could let Kick It Out know what happened. You can do this by filling out this short form - https://www.kickitout.org/forms/online-reporting-form - you can do it anonymously if you want, or you can give your contact details so that Kick It Out gets all the information it needs.
This is Charlton's problem, so it would be good if you take the time to let the club know. And if you let kick It out know too, they can help the club fix it.
But it's also a problem for all of us, so we all need to do everything we can to stamp it out - even if it means upsetting some people who demand the right to be racist.
Finally, please persuade her to come to another game with you. No-one deserves to be treated like that; but, equally, everyone should know how rare it is. So it would be great to hear that you took her to another game and she enjoyed it. (And hopefully, we get three points, too...)
Good luck15 -
Either that or they're shrewd business men who own a local plumbing company.stonemuse said:
And will ... again ... smash up the toilets at the Den next week. Total wankers who would melt if any real trouble started.thickandthin63 said:Unfortunately,now we are playing higher grade football,more and more strangers will appear.even in the tranquil surroundings of the East stand,we have had some right morons turn up over the season so far.
We have a multi racial team(as do most clubs) and are rightly proud of our kick it out campaign.
These idiots are quite possibly the same ones who caused problems at the Welling game,and smashed up the toilets at Gillingham,and we do not want them anywhere near our club.0 -
Big_Bad_World said:Arsenetatters said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
Really shocked by this. If this had happened to me I would be in bits and I would have expected some help from a steward - or what is the point of having them?
To be fair, getting paid £5 an hour leaves little wriggle room to be a hero.Lastly, if you could all leave this type of behaviour in SE7 then it would be appreciated.
Sorry but I don't see what money has got to do with it. If the steward thinks that they would be put in a dangerous position to deal with the knobs then they should alert the 'heavy mob' or someone who can.0 -
Unfortunately, that's not the way the world works, as much as we'd like that to be the case.Arsenetatters said:Big_Bad_World said:Arsenetatters said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
Really shocked by this. If this had happened to me I would be in bits and I would have expected some help from a steward - or what is the point of having them?
To be fair, getting paid £5 an hour leaves little wriggle room to be a hero.Lastly, if you could all leave this type of behaviour in SE7 then it would be appreciated.
Sorry but I don't see what money has got to do with it. If the steward thinks that they would be put in a dangerous position to deal with the knobs then they should alert the 'heavy mob' or someone who can.
If there was a chance of being confronted physically after being alerted of racist/violent or other such behaviour, then I don't particularly hold it against a minimum wage employee (or in some cases volunteer) steward, with no training in such matters, to go up the chain of command.
It could literally be more trouble than it's worth. This has led to me calling out perpetrators myself, and by and large they shut up, especially as I'm not a small man. But then again, not everyone is as comfortable with that sort of thing as I am, so there has to be a way of improving steward inaction.7 -
It’s up to all of us to confront this shit. For many years racists have felt that they couldn’t voice their idiotic opinions . We now have a primeminister that talks about water melon smiles and letter boxes . This legitimises racism and give confidence to them . I’m going to email the club to ask if they are aware of the incident and what they are doing about it . I urge others to do the same . We might get some action then . But we should all confront this as and when it happens . Hats off to those that did6
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Last time we were in the championship I was in the upper covered end and some complete tossers aged around 16 were doing that imitating thing that @DavidJarvis25 mentions, though this time it was aimed at a bloke with special needs. They found it hilarious. (tbf kids at my old school would of been worse so I can see where this behavior comes from) after a few times my patience ran out and I told them that. A couple of others said similar and they left it.
It's the same sort of morons who would think that picking on the girl in question would be a laugh and the same sort who throw flares and whatever else from the top of the stand knowing full well theyre arm strength is pathetic and the objects would hit a Charlton fan below.0 -
Hope she gets invited back by the Club and gets a slap up meal thrown in courtesy of them and then a nice comfy seat in the directors box... and she then gives it large middle fingers to the turds who abused her.
That's what I'd do if I were the club.17 -
Aside from the racist issues and mimicking of her chants during this incident, the victim’s physical assault seems to have been forgotten. Hopefully, she wasn’t hurt too badly and that she decides to return for another match ? Wouldn’t blame her if she didn’t, of course.0
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Agreed.Arsenetatters said:Big_Bad_World said:Arsenetatters said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
Really shocked by this. If this had happened to me I would be in bits and I would have expected some help from a steward - or what is the point of having them?
To be fair, getting paid £5 an hour leaves little wriggle room to be a hero.Lastly, if you could all leave this type of behaviour in SE7 then it would be appreciated.
Sorry but I don't see what money has got to do with it. If the steward thinks that they would be put in a dangerous position to deal with the knobs then they should alert the 'heavy mob' or someone who can.
If Keohane's heavy's can act so decisively against a teenage lad with a North Korean flag, then why can't they actually do some useful work and respond to proper illegal practices within a stadium where it's his responsibility?
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So true ... are you listening Burger Boy?Addickted said:
Agreed.Arsenetatters said:Big_Bad_World said:Arsenetatters said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
Really shocked by this. If this had happened to me I would be in bits and I would have expected some help from a steward - or what is the point of having them?
To be fair, getting paid £5 an hour leaves little wriggle room to be a hero.Lastly, if you could all leave this type of behaviour in SE7 then it would be appreciated.
Sorry but I don't see what money has got to do with it. If the steward thinks that they would be put in a dangerous position to deal with the knobs then they should alert the 'heavy mob' or someone who can.
If Keohane's heavy's can act so decisively against a teenage lad with a North Korean flag, then why can't they actually do some useful work and respond to proper illegal practices within a stadium where it's his responsibility?2 -
I very much hope that the lady in question is reassured that the overwhelming majority of us abhor these morons and that we very much want her to return and feel part of our Charlton family.
As for the culprits, they need to be identified and dealt with by the club and the law.4 -
Thanks for the advice - I will take the time to report what happened properly.Chizz said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
@DavidJarvis25
Hi David
First, that's a shocking and completely unacceptable experience for anyone to have at a football match. More importantly than anything else, I hope she's now ok.
Second, can I encourage you to make sure that the club is aware of what happened? It seems that, from what you have described, the abuse your friend received escalated from abuse to a hate incident, or worse. You shouldn't have to be the person who determines the severity of the incident, that should be, in the first instance (I think) down to the club. But they must be informed, beyond simply telling the steward. There is some interesting stuff here which shows what hate incidents are and explains why it's vital that they are acted upon: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/what-are-hate-incidents-and-hate-crime/ - please try to make time to drop the club an email.
Third, as this is something that happened at a football match and none of us wants football to start to return to the "bad old days" where racism was more widely accepted, it would be great if you could let Kick It Out know what happened. You can do this by filling out this short form - https://www.kickitout.org/forms/online-reporting-form - you can do it anonymously if you want, or you can give your contact details so that Kick It Out gets all the information it needs.
This is Charlton's problem, so it would be good if you take the time to let the club know. And if you let kick It out know too, they can help the club fix it.
But it's also a problem for all of us, so we all need to do everything we can to stamp it out - even if it means upsetting some people who demand the right to be racist.
Finally, please persuade her to come to another game with you. No-one deserves to be treated like that; but, equally, everyone should know how rare it is. So it would be great to hear that you took her to another game and she enjoyed it. (And hopefully, we get three points, too...)
Good luck
The lady next to me was a stranger and I have no way of finding out how she is, or if she would attend again.I agree it is rare. This is the first time I’ve ever witnessed abuse at The Valley.4 -
Can you say exactly where the incident took place?0
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How old are these people talking of being a 'grass' etc?
1. Racism must never be tolerated.
2. Reporting of racism must be taken seriously and dealt with as such.
3. Calling someone a grass for reporting racism, makes you a racist too in my opinion. Why else would you defend racism?18 -
- Ollywozere is on CL at the moment, perhaps he can pass this information on, thanks Olly
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In talking to the club it could be worth advising them of her seat number, they maybe able to trace her through her ticket purchase.DavidJarvis25 said:
Thanks for the advice - I will take the time to report what happened properly.Chizz said:DavidJarvis25 said:I’d be happy to ‘grass’ on such unacceptable behaviour again and again.
These young males threw coins at a foreign female supporter for chanting in a high pitched foreign voice. They screamed back at her - imitating her chanting. They told her to ‘shut the fu*k up’ and to ‘f**k off’. They called her a ‘slag’ and continued to imitate her accent and language.When the coins hit her, she told me that they had hurt her and I reported this to a steward.They later made a racist remark which was confronted by another fan.It was bullying.People should be free to enjoy the game by chanting in any language they want to, and as high pitched as they like. It is an emotive game, that evokes passion. People should not have to stand silently because they don’t speak English or have a high voice.
@DavidJarvis25
Hi David
First, that's a shocking and completely unacceptable experience for anyone to have at a football match. More importantly than anything else, I hope she's now ok.
Second, can I encourage you to make sure that the club is aware of what happened? It seems that, from what you have described, the abuse your friend received escalated from abuse to a hate incident, or worse. You shouldn't have to be the person who determines the severity of the incident, that should be, in the first instance (I think) down to the club. But they must be informed, beyond simply telling the steward. There is some interesting stuff here which shows what hate incidents are and explains why it's vital that they are acted upon: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/what-are-hate-incidents-and-hate-crime/ - please try to make time to drop the club an email.
Third, as this is something that happened at a football match and none of us wants football to start to return to the "bad old days" where racism was more widely accepted, it would be great if you could let Kick It Out know what happened. You can do this by filling out this short form - https://www.kickitout.org/forms/online-reporting-form - you can do it anonymously if you want, or you can give your contact details so that Kick It Out gets all the information it needs.
This is Charlton's problem, so it would be good if you take the time to let the club know. And if you let kick It out know too, they can help the club fix it.
But it's also a problem for all of us, so we all need to do everything we can to stamp it out - even if it means upsetting some people who demand the right to be racist.
Finally, please persuade her to come to another game with you. No-one deserves to be treated like that; but, equally, everyone should know how rare it is. So it would be great to hear that you took her to another game and she enjoyed it. (And hopefully, we get three points, too...)
Good luck
The lady next to me was a stranger and I have no way of finding out how she is, or if she would attend again.I agree it is rare. This is the first time I’ve ever witnessed abuse at The Valley.2
