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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Sheikh Saeed Bin Virgil Tahnoon Al Nahyan, allegedlysoapboxsam said:
Who is the brains behind ESI, Mr Grumpy ?grumpyaddick said:
Isn't "all systems go," a quote from Thunderbirds?
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Has Jim got the keys? Is it gonna be unlocked today?0
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More to do with people’s appetite for more L1 football, the likelihood of Bowyer leaving and the difficulty of getting back to the Championship, which can take years. At present we have the basis to stay up - the 28 points - but only a handful of fit Championship standard players. If ESI have the resources to correct that it would seem prudent to do so.Rothko said:Would people blame ESI for relegation? Especially if they give Bowyer funds to try and get out of this?24 -
Which is exactly the point I am making we can look for dirt anywhere it doesn’t make it valid or viable it doesn’t make it a source of newsAirman Brown said:
I really don’t think you’d like the person behind that NLA - ex member of Arthur Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party for a start. Thanet politics is a wild and wonderful place but you won’t understand it from reading local bloggers (and ex-councillors).nth_london_addick said:
I have just seen something on social media that would make me question buying anything off of REShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a lot to be said for the old adage and slogan “would you buy a used car from this man”
Nothing wrong with legitimate scrutiny. If there’s nothing to find then it won’t be found.
or raging rick as the piece called him
Now is not the time for digging and scrutiny now is the time for coming together and allowing people to show their intentions not looking like an soured scorned love sick bint
what needs to happen is time out ESI have to have atleast 2 full seasons to clear the decks remove the things that have been installed in charlton that make us small time and chancers and there’s loads
retain the good people growths club based on the good will and the knowledge that’s retained
move on from our past learning from it but not dwelling on it
reinstall the values we once had and 100% focus on the youth system and what that may bring to the table to use not sell
bolster the playing squad to support the youth production line
sign avory and his team on the longest deal known to man
give gallen the keys to the kitty
sign bows and jacko on long term deals
That’s what will define ESi and it’s not a January 2020 fix
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If people are willing to blame ESI then they're deluded. If a well funded Bowyer fails to survive, then Bowyer's management skills will be called into question.Rothko said:Would people blame ESI for relegation? Especially if they give Bowyer funds to try and get out of this?2 -
I'd argue the squad we have assembled is top half of the league material, when all fit. This defence looked a lot better when it had Cullen and Field playing ahead of it and people like Williams and Taylor who held onto the ball a lot better than our current midfield.
That is down to Bowyer and Gallen, and begrudgingly a tiny bit towards RD as he didn't sell Taylor and seemingly allowed our management team to go out and get a few players. Many people point to us having a bare bones squad and blame RD for it but show me any club with 13 first team players missing and I think you'll find they won't have another 20 senior players on their books to choose from, it'll cripple any squad.
All we need is a couple of fresh faces in and a few of our injured players to return, Leko and Kayal will go back and that'll free up 2 loanee spots, which I hope we have lined up for the 1st Jan, and once the takeover goes through I expect a couple of permanent signings to supplement our depleted numbers. Then it's just a case of getting some momentum, as this league is incredible tight23 -
Scoham said:
Richard has obviously been studiously reading CL.7 -
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100% thissam3110 said:I'd argue the squad we have assembled is top half of the league material, when all fit. This defence looked a lot better when it had Cullen and Field playing ahead of it and people like Williams and Taylor who held onto the ball a lot better than our current midfield.
That is down to Bowyer and Gallen, and begrudgingly a tiny bit towards RD as he didn't sell Taylor and seemingly allowed our management team to go out and get a few players. Many people point to us having a bare bones squad and blame RD for it but show me any club with 13 first team players missing and I think you'll find they won't have another 20 senior players on their books to choose from, it'll cripple any squad.
All we need is a couple of fresh faces in and a few of our injured players to return, Leko and Kayal will go back and that'll free up 2 loanee spots, which I hope we have lined up for the 1st Jan, and once the takeover goes through I expect a couple of permanent signings to supplement our depleted numbers. Then it's just a case of getting some momentum, as this league is incredible tight
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No problems 😭KBslittlesis said:0 -
You know very well that I broadly agree with that but they need to get January 2020 right to enable any of it.nth_london_addick said:
Which is exactly the point I am making we can look for dirt anywhere it doesn’t make it valid or viable it doesn’t make it a source of newsAirman Brown said:
I really don’t think you’d like the person behind that NLA - ex member of Arthur Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party for a start. Thanet politics is a wild and wonderful place but you won’t understand it from reading local bloggers (and ex-councillors).nth_london_addick said:
I have just seen something on social media that would make me question buying anything off of REShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a lot to be said for the old adage and slogan “would you buy a used car from this man”
Nothing wrong with legitimate scrutiny. If there’s nothing to find then it won’t be found.
or raging rick as the piece called him
Now is not the time for digging and scrutiny now is the time for coming together and allowing people to show their intentions not looking like an soured scorned love sick bint
what needs to happen is time out ESI have to have atleast 2 full seasons to clear the decks remove the things that have been installed in charlton that make us small time and chancers and there’s loads
retain the good people growths club based on the good will and the knowledge that’s retained
move on from our past learning from it but not dwelling on it
reinstall the values we once had and 100% focus on the youth system and what that may bring to the table to use not sell
bolster the playing squad to support the youth production line
sign avory and his team on the longest deal known to man
give gallen the keys to the kitty
sign bows and jacko on long term deals
That’s what will define ESi and it’s not a January 2020 fix
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I’ll take panic signings over doing nothing.5
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I agree, although it then becomes a question - to which some might say, who gives a whatever? - whether the role is really that of a CEO in a normal business sense.cafcfan1990 said:
That’s changing and there is nothing dodgy about someone being the chairman of a club and not putting their funds in.PragueAddick said:
Then you have missed the ownership structure of something like 95% of all English league clubs.sam3110 said:I'm sorry I must have missed the part where chairmen are the financial backers of the clubs they are in charge of.
HE, TN, is the money man, probably backed by the Sheikh, and the third guy is on the board alongside HE, TN to ensure they have the majority, and therefore the shadowy Sheikh has overall control
There are of course exceptions, and Chelsea would be one of them, although in the first part of Abramovic's reign he was still very hands on.Let’s remind ourselves that Roland was a rich backer who didn’t have the time to invest in the club. Wouldn’t it have been much better if he had put a chairman in alongside a CEO who could?
What I hope and believe is that the difference between HE Nimer and Roland is that HE recognises that he doesn't understand the football biz in detail and therefore needs someone who does to run it day to day. In that sense Southall has far better credentials than Meire. I would hope that Southall is given clear KPIs and the budget and timeframe to meet them. I hope too that he will do that in an orthodox way, without any funny business involving player ownership. I hope that Bow's "strange" comment and subsequent backtrack to "interesting ideas", do not refer to such stuff. However it remains a fact (according to info he has himself provided) that Matt Southall's first career move in football was to work for Kia Joorabchian.
As for the attacks on @Airman Brown comments in VOTV it's very British, in a good way, to show a sense of fair play, and to wait and see. In business too, it's also good to judge on results, and over a reasonable timeframe. I think that actually, if you read the Voice, you will see that he agrees with that. However, I'm aware that he could say, if he wishes, that it took me quite a long time to accept his slowly accumulating evidence that both the Spiv and Duchatelet regimes were wrong-uns. He turned out to be right about both of them. Anyone who wanted to, could explore threads from the first year of RD and find that various of us took varying amounts of time to understand and accept what was going on. We might wince or even cringe at what we wrote. I still think the network idea had some merit, as a concept.
So I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm going to judge the new regime (if it happens) based on the evidence, not blind faith.12 -
Oi, that was my argument at the time and you argued against me ... not that it matters as RD didn’t know how to do it anywayPragueAddick said:
I agree, although it then becomes a question - to which some might say, who gives a whatever? - whether the role is really that of a CEO in a normal business sense.cafcfan1990 said:
That’s changing and there is nothing dodgy about someone being the chairman of a club and not putting their funds in.PragueAddick said:
Then you have missed the ownership structure of something like 95% of all English league clubs.sam3110 said:I'm sorry I must have missed the part where chairmen are the financial backers of the clubs they are in charge of.
HE, TN, is the money man, probably backed by the Sheikh, and the third guy is on the board alongside HE, TN to ensure they have the majority, and therefore the shadowy Sheikh has overall control
There are of course exceptions, and Chelsea would be one of them, although in the first part of Abramovic's reign he was still very hands on.Let’s remind ourselves that Roland was a rich backer who didn’t have the time to invest in the club. Wouldn’t it have been much better if he had put a chairman in alongside a CEO who could?
What I hope and believe is that the difference between HE Nimer and Roland is that HE recognises that he doesn't understand the football biz in detail and therefore needs someone who does to run it day to day. In that sense Southall has far better credentials than Meire. I would hope that Southall is given clear KPIs and the budget and timeframe to meet them. I hope too that he will do that in an orthodox way, without any funny business involving player ownership. I hope that Bow's "strange" comment and subsequent backtrack to "interesting ideas", do not refer to such stuff. However it remains a fact (according to info he has himself provided) that Matt Southall's first career move in football was to work for Kia Joorabchian.
As for the attacks on @Airman Brown comments in VOTV it's very British, in a good way, to show a sense of fair play, and to wait and see. In business too, it's also good to judge on results, and over a reasonable timeframe. I think that actually, if you read the Voice, you will see that he agrees with that. However, I'm aware that he could say, if he wishes, that it took me quite a long time to accept his slowly accumulating evidence that both the Spiv and Duchatelet regimes were wrong-uns. He turned out to be right about both of them. Anyone who wanted to, could explore threads from the first year of RD and find that various of us took varying amounts of time to understand and accept what was going on. We might wince or even cringe at what we wrote. I still think the network idea had some merit, as a concept.
So I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm going to judge the new regime (if it happens) based on the evidence, not blind faith.
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Jesper Blomvquist and Robbie Mustoe are availableBR7_addick said:I’ll take panic signings over doing nothing.12 -
And that is going to be achieved by sensibly managing the injury hit squadAirman Brown said:
You know very well that I broadly agree with that but they need to get January 2020 right to enable any of it.nth_london_addick said:
Which is exactly the point I am making we can look for dirt anywhere it doesn’t make it valid or viable it doesn’t make it a source of newsAirman Brown said:
I really don’t think you’d like the person behind that NLA - ex member of Arthur Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party for a start. Thanet politics is a wild and wonderful place but you won’t understand it from reading local bloggers (and ex-councillors).nth_london_addick said:
I have just seen something on social media that would make me question buying anything off of REShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a lot to be said for the old adage and slogan “would you buy a used car from this man”
Nothing wrong with legitimate scrutiny. If there’s nothing to find then it won’t be found.
or raging rick as the piece called him
Now is not the time for digging and scrutiny now is the time for coming together and allowing people to show their intentions not looking like an soured scorned love sick bint
what needs to happen is time out ESI have to have atleast 2 full seasons to clear the decks remove the things that have been installed in charlton that make us small time and chancers and there’s loads
retain the good people growths club based on the good will and the knowledge that’s retained
move on from our past learning from it but not dwelling on it
reinstall the values we once had and 100% focus on the youth system and what that may bring to the table to use not sell
bolster the playing squad to support the youth production line
sign avory and his team on the longest deal known to man
give gallen the keys to the kitty
sign bows and jacko on long term deals
That’s what will define ESi and it’s not a January 2020 fix
resting and bedding the youth in the correct way
I would be focused on signing players to get us through the next 3-4 months of this season in any budget given by ESi
I would sell those that show no desire to stay and use that money to fund in comings that may be more long term
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Absolutely right.nth_london_addick said:
I would sell those that show no desire to stay and use that money to fund in comings that may be more long term
Bowyer and Jacko have created a 'togetherness' in the squad - and that is exactly what is required to ensure a safe position at the end of the season.
Nothing must prejudice that. It is the most valuable resource we have.
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Lol. Edited to save embarrassment. But too late.AFKABartram said:
Blimey, have a word HI. You just pulled someone else up for a silly comment...Henry Irving said:Some hysterical, in both meanings of the word, comments here.
Just as well I didn't pass on the rest of the message.
When it's on the official site1905 said:
Sentence 2 must make you feel important?Henry Irving said:Some hysterical, in both meanings of the word, comments here.
Just as well I didn't pass on the rest of the message.
When it's on the official site0 -
Themightyath2 said:Let’s all light up a Hamlet and relax...
After last night I could do with something a bit stronger.0 - Sponsored links:
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Do you want to reconsider the wording?nth_london_addick said:
And that is going to be achieved by sensibly managing the injury hit squadAirman Brown said:
You know very well that I broadly agree with that but they need to get January 2020 right to enable any of it.nth_london_addick said:
Which is exactly the point I am making we can look for dirt anywhere it doesn’t make it valid or viable it doesn’t make it a source of newsAirman Brown said:
I really don’t think you’d like the person behind that NLA - ex member of Arthur Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party for a start. Thanet politics is a wild and wonderful place but you won’t understand it from reading local bloggers (and ex-councillors).nth_london_addick said:
I have just seen something on social media that would make me question buying anything off of REShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a lot to be said for the old adage and slogan “would you buy a used car from this man”
Nothing wrong with legitimate scrutiny. If there’s nothing to find then it won’t be found.
or raging rick as the piece called him
Now is not the time for digging and scrutiny now is the time for coming together and allowing people to show their intentions not looking like an soured scorned love sick bint
what needs to happen is time out ESI have to have atleast 2 full seasons to clear the decks remove the things that have been installed in charlton that make us small time and chancers and there’s loads
retain the good people growths club based on the good will and the knowledge that’s retained
move on from our past learning from it but not dwelling on it
reinstall the values we once had and 100% focus on the youth system and what that may bring to the table to use not sell
bolster the playing squad to support the youth production line
sign avory and his team on the longest deal known to man
give gallen the keys to the kitty
sign bows and jacko on long term deals
That’s what will define ESi and it’s not a January 2020 fix
resting and bedding the youth in the correct way
I would be focused on signing players to get us through the next 3-4 months of this season in any budget given by ESi
I would sell those that show no desire to stay and use that money to fund in comings that may be more long term25 -
I think like the players, the club it’s supporters in fact anything under the Cafc banner is tired if not injured. The whole five plus years has torn this club apart, it/we need a lift. If the takeover had been announced before last nights game the result would have become secondary instead we have people suggesting Bowyer should go. With the Fa cup game coming up I would imagine fans would normally be suggesting players like Taylor or Williams should be rested instead I’m suggesting young Doughty or Pratley should be parked on the bench. Macca got injured last night because he would have been a bit part player this season instead he’s been thrown in at the deep end and asked to play at a much higher level of intensity that he and his body is used to and if it’s allowed to continue there will be more injuries. I’ve said it from the start of this guys reign, we have a nucleus of 15/16 players that could hold their own in this league then it’s made up of kids, in a cup game asking them to step up wouldn’t be a problem asking Macca, Albie or Alfie to do it consistently will see a drop off in form or worse injuries. As far as the new ownership, as with anyone they’ll get their chance from me, buying into the Charlton ethos to me is more important than what they may or may not have done in the past. We should be welcoming these new people into the club and celebrating ridding ourselves of Duchataway anything else we can deal after it happens. Have a great new year Ladies and Gentlemen, much love from @T_C_E Towers x11
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Getting somewhat tired now of yet more in-fighting and speculation over the new potential owners. Everyone is, I guess, getting increasingly frustrated by the amount of time its taking to ratify the deal. No-one, and I mean no-one, knows what's making it take so long. We can hypothesize all we want, but only ESI and the EFL know whats happening and we all need to accept that. We will know, whats happening, when any announcement, good or bad, is made and not before. As for the Chairman having no personal funds, so what? MS will, if it goes through, be the face of CAFC, the money will come from the overseas investors. MS has connections in the Football world so I guess as well as being chairman, he may be asked by said investors to use his connections for the good of the club, by improving the squad. However until any announcement is made, why dont we just sit back, chill out and see what unfolds. I'm as eager as anyone to see this takeover happen, but being negative about our potential new owners before they have even had the chance to pull their chairs up to the boardroom table, is counter productive. Lets just all relax and enjoy the last part of the festive season - Live, Love, Laugh and be Happy!!22
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"You just decided to read it that way".Henry Irving said:
Only that wasn't what I was saying, you just decided to read it that way.AFKABartram said:
So why say anything then?Henry Irving said:
Why?AFKABartram said:
Blimey, have a word HI. You just pulled someone else up for a silly comment...Henry Irving said:Some hysterical, in both meanings of the word, comments here.
Just as well I didn't pass on the rest of the message.
When it's on the official site
That also insignificant message would have also been pulled apart, over analysed and huge assumptions made from it, followed by some personal attacks on whoever the poster has been digging out for years.
Not worth the hassle of having to put insignificant things in context given the febrile nature of this site after a defeat.
You’ve been on the scene long enough to know full well that there is not a single forum in the world where a contribution on the lines of ‘I know something you don’t’ has ever gone down well.
I've deleted it as clearly I didn't make that clear and that is my fault.
Yes, because that how it read, you pious bell.19 -
Sorry with less lube for a tighter fitTellyTubby said:
Do you want to reconsider the wording?nth_london_addick said:
And that is going to be achieved by sensibly managing the injury hit squadAirman Brown said:
You know very well that I broadly agree with that but they need to get January 2020 right to enable any of it.nth_london_addick said:
Which is exactly the point I am making we can look for dirt anywhere it doesn’t make it valid or viable it doesn’t make it a source of newsAirman Brown said:
I really don’t think you’d like the person behind that NLA - ex member of Arthur Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party for a start. Thanet politics is a wild and wonderful place but you won’t understand it from reading local bloggers (and ex-councillors).nth_london_addick said:
I have just seen something on social media that would make me question buying anything off of REShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a lot to be said for the old adage and slogan “would you buy a used car from this man”
Nothing wrong with legitimate scrutiny. If there’s nothing to find then it won’t be found.
or raging rick as the piece called him
Now is not the time for digging and scrutiny now is the time for coming together and allowing people to show their intentions not looking like an soured scorned love sick bint
what needs to happen is time out ESI have to have atleast 2 full seasons to clear the decks remove the things that have been installed in charlton that make us small time and chancers and there’s loads
retain the good people growths club based on the good will and the knowledge that’s retained
move on from our past learning from it but not dwelling on it
reinstall the values we once had and 100% focus on the youth system and what that may bring to the table to use not sell
bolster the playing squad to support the youth production line
sign avory and his team on the longest deal known to man
give gallen the keys to the kitty
sign bows and jacko on long term deals
That’s what will define ESi and it’s not a January 2020 fix
resting and bedding the youth in the correct way
I would be focused on signing players to get us through the next 3-4 months of this season in any budget given by ESi
I would sell those that show no desire to stay and use that money to fund in comings that may be more long term1 -
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I really don't think I argued against the concept, but against the execution, as you say. I could see it was working for Watford at the time, but that network was run by people with football experience whose clubs were at broadly the same level (and so were the players). i think we must have been arguing about how much merit it had. I thought it at least had some merit, unlike Brex...:-)stonemuse said:
Oi, that was my argument at the time and you argued against me ... not that it matters as RD didn’t know how to do it anywayPragueAddick said:
I agree, although it then becomes a question - to which some might say, who gives a whatever? - whether the role is really that of a CEO in a normal business sense.cafcfan1990 said:
That’s changing and there is nothing dodgy about someone being the chairman of a club and not putting their funds in.PragueAddick said:
Then you have missed the ownership structure of something like 95% of all English league clubs.sam3110 said:I'm sorry I must have missed the part where chairmen are the financial backers of the clubs they are in charge of.
HE, TN, is the money man, probably backed by the Sheikh, and the third guy is on the board alongside HE, TN to ensure they have the majority, and therefore the shadowy Sheikh has overall control
There are of course exceptions, and Chelsea would be one of them, although in the first part of Abramovic's reign he was still very hands on.Let’s remind ourselves that Roland was a rich backer who didn’t have the time to invest in the club. Wouldn’t it have been much better if he had put a chairman in alongside a CEO who could?
What I hope and believe is that the difference between HE Nimer and Roland is that HE recognises that he doesn't understand the football biz in detail and therefore needs someone who does to run it day to day. In that sense Southall has far better credentials than Meire. I would hope that Southall is given clear KPIs and the budget and timeframe to meet them. I hope too that he will do that in an orthodox way, without any funny business involving player ownership. I hope that Bow's "strange" comment and subsequent backtrack to "interesting ideas", do not refer to such stuff. However it remains a fact (according to info he has himself provided) that Matt Southall's first career move in football was to work for Kia Joorabchian.
As for the attacks on @Airman Brown comments in VOTV it's very British, in a good way, to show a sense of fair play, and to wait and see. In business too, it's also good to judge on results, and over a reasonable timeframe. I think that actually, if you read the Voice, you will see that he agrees with that. However, I'm aware that he could say, if he wishes, that it took me quite a long time to accept his slowly accumulating evidence that both the Spiv and Duchatelet regimes were wrong-uns. He turned out to be right about both of them. Anyone who wanted to, could explore threads from the first year of RD and find that various of us took varying amounts of time to understand and accept what was going on. We might wince or even cringe at what we wrote. I still think the network idea had some merit, as a concept.
So I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm going to judge the new regime (if it happens) based on the evidence, not blind faith.
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Unnecessary.Off_it said:
Lol. Edited to save embarrassment. But too late.AFKABartram said:
Blimey, have a word HI. You just pulled someone else up for a silly comment...Henry Irving said:Some hysterical, in both meanings of the word, comments here.
Just as well I didn't pass on the rest of the message.
When it's on the official site1905 said:
Sentence 2 must make you feel important?Henry Irving said:Some hysterical, in both meanings of the word, comments here.
Just as well I didn't pass on the rest of the message.
When it's on the official site2 -
Chairman in waiting??
Sounds like f****** Prince Charles!
Why is this taking so long?1
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