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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)
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From the outside I think it’s daft selling him. Best striker we’ve had since Yann.
But if his head has been turned by the Brentford offer then it’s probably best for all that he goes.
That’s if anyone is interested now.3 -
My mate who works at the club says ESI's head scout says Lyle's not good enough anyway. We're signing two strikers from the Dubai third division to replace him.37
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The amount of passive aggressive “see ya” or “cheerio Lyle” type messages in response to this demonstrate that really, deep down, very few of us want him to leave.3
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Agreed. I thought he put a load of effort into those games (probably why he got injured). He scored at Blackburn, scored v Stoke on the first home match, scored at Barnsley, scored v Forest, scored at Reading....and that was all in August.superclive98 said:
What "lack of effort in our early season matches" was that then?oohaahmortimer said:Lyles tantrum for not getting his life changing move to Brentford and subsequent lack of effort in our early season matches prove he’s a waste of time , move him on3 -
Needless to say we're stronger with him fit and willing; he brings a lot more than just the goals. If, as seems likely, he goes, then I tend to agree with the "not bigger than the club" argument. And unless his goals carry his new team to promotion he's unlikely to gain the status he thrives on here any time soon.
What will really help us gauge ESI's outlook is the size of any fee and what's done with it. As things stand they've only stated that they'll listen to offers - hopefully they'll evaluate those offers and judge them against what Taylor can do over a few more months (if fit). If we were comfortable in mid-table the planning ahead would be a lot easier but the battle to stay up might sway decisions a little more towards the short term.3 -
Think you're about to get whooshedsuperclive98 said:
What "lack of effort in our early season matches" was that then?oohaahmortimer said:Lyles tantrum for not getting his life changing move to Brentford and subsequent lack of effort in our early season matches prove he’s a waste of time , move him on5 -
I think you might qualify for a whoosh.superclive98 said:
What "lack of effort in our early season matches" was that then?oohaahmortimer said:Lyles tantrum for not getting his life changing move to Brentford and subsequent lack of effort in our early season matches prove he’s a waste of time , move him on4 -
Bowyers reaction to this will say a lot.8
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I'd be disappointed to lose Lyle AND personally still feel that it would make sense to not sell him in January unless there's a seriously high bid. If he goes for nothing in the summer, well we signed him for nothing as well.
I can't argue though with trying to keep some control on wages, as otherwise there's a danger that every player and every agent see our new "minted" owners and start pushing for massive pay rises. I'm sure the ESI offer for Lyle was very generous and a major increase on Roland's offer, however if there are clubs out there with a serious chance of promotion who can offer more, that's the reality of football.2 -
Too many people are discussing the sell side. The smarter ones acknowledge that if you sell, you need to be able to replace with somebody as good as or better. And given our league position, do it fast.
I've said it many times, and not just about football. Any idiot can sell valuable assets. (and in that respect I do not refer to ESI). It is much harder to replace with a similar asset, especially when they are in desperately short supply. That was one of the problems with Duchatelet, who fundamentally failed to inform himself about the nature of the human assets of a football club.
I do think though that Matt Southall has the background which means he will understand this, including the talismanic nature of Taylor's contribution. I think also that because they were so clear they wanted to complete before this window, that they also had plans for this window, and will at least have had a contingency plan place in the event that Taylor refused to accept an offer. I also believe that unlike Duchatelet they understand far better his market price.
I'll still be gutted because of all the players in the current squad, Lyle Taylor made me believe again. I won't be forgetting him as quickly as some want to, and I won't begrudge him if he gets a better offer.23 - Sponsored links:
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anyone who thinks we are stronger without him are saying this on impulse rather than thinking it through! Scored and created over 40 goals in 50 games. Unless we have two good replacements lined up, we need to be doing everything possible to keep him.3
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I don’t think he’s ‘definitely’ replaceable. IMO it’ll be massively difficult to find a player as talismanic and hard working who unites players and fans and above all, has scored 32 goals in 58 games (better than 1 in 2) with a shed load of assists.James86 said:Lyle is definitely replaceable. Annoyed. Yes. But no where near as much as I was when Yann went.
And this definite replacement has to settle in from day one and score the goals to keep us up in our debut season back in the Championship.
No way is he ‘definitely’ replaceable. Massive gamble but as I say, if he’s not feeling it then best he goes.
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Have we broke the SLP?
I've not managed to read the article from links posted.
Went on the SLP website and its all down.0 -
Rich Cawley keeps mentioning the site being broken today.carly burn said:Have we broke the SLP?
I've not managed to read the article from links posted.
Went on the SLP website and its all down.0 -
It’s alright saying he’s replaceable but you have to line up a replacement first, if we miss out on Ivan Toney then what? Surely from a business point of view you’re better off just paying Lyle as much as he wants being a proven quality Championship striker0
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Agree, I felt if he turned down an offer, he would see Rangers as a great last move.ValleyGary said:He will join Aribo at Rangers
If Aribo accepted 20k, as a striker Lyle would I imagine be worth 25k.
If the figure of 18k is correct then your agent would advise you to turn down the offer and Taylor said less than a year ago he wanted a crack at Premier football when advising Grant on the Huddersfield offer.
I know he meant English premier but the chance of Euro football would be immense for Lyle.
Taylor know most defenders in Scottish Premier are League 1 standard except for Celtic who have a couple of English premier defenders but mainly Championship standard defenders.
Gerrard and Rooney, stayed at Liverpool and United, not out of Loyalty but because they were both given massive pay rises. (Example of how loyalty works in reality)
When Roland wouldn't go above 13k for Yann, a respected Journalist said the main striker at Millwall was on 19k and Kermorgant was aware of that.
I would rather Lyle went at the end of season on a free and Charlton finish 16th in the Championship but if he is going to receive vilification from the uneducated who seriously thought Lyle or agent wouldn't even reply to an offer from ESI, then I wonder if it wouldn't be advantageous for our best Talismanic striker since Yann to move on now.
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Under Roland this would be catastrophic news no two ways about it. With this lot we don’t know what they are willing to spend on wages etc. But we know it’s a lot better than Roland so trust the process.
I can’t see where he will go though! Had a look at the top champ sides and bottom prem sides, only Leeds or Villa would need him IMO, the others have all got strikers firing and reasonable back up for their main men. Unless he heads back to Scotland with Rangers or Celtic.2 -
The earlier stories about ESI withdrawing the offer have now been replaced by Cawley saying Taylor rejected the offer. Sounds like we made a decent offer with various bells and whistles and he turned it down. What can you do? Free market economy and all that. In a squad of 20 players you can't just let one of them name his price and pay whatever he wants.9
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I think the main problem is that no new striker is guaranteed to a) reproduce his goal scoring exploits in a new team or b) sign up to the work ethic that Lee Bowyer expects from his players. Or in fact c) match Lyle’s all over the pitch performance and assists.PragueAddick said:Too many people are discussing the sell side. The smarter ones acknowledge that if you sell, you need to be able to replace with somebody as good as or better. And given our league position, do it fast.
I've said it many times, and not just about football. Any idiot can sell valuable assets. (and in that respect I do not refer to ESI). It is much harder to replace with a similar asset, especially when they are in desperately short supply. That was one of the problems with Duchatelet, who fundamentally failed to inform himself about the nature of the human assets of a football club.Taylor is a known known, to coin a phrase, whereas any replacement, no matter how marquee a signing, isn’t. But if He wants to go, and another club is willing to pay wages that we won’t or can’t pay for whatever reason, then ESI haven’t choice really.6 -
How do we know they ain't got replacements lined up?SheedyCAFC said:It’s alright saying he’s replaceable but you have to line up a replacement first, if we miss out on Ivan Toney then what? Surely from a business point of view you’re better off just paying Lyle as much as he wants being a proven quality Championship striker1 - Sponsored links:
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We don’t know the details of the contract offer. It is considered ‘lucrative’ by ESI but not perhaps by Taylor compared to what he could get elsewhere.
The fact it included a signing on fee, bonus and opportunity to extend seems to make it a fair offer to me.
Maybe it’s hard for him to shift the ‘what could’ve been’ thoughts from his head following the Brentford offers. I don’t blame him for seeking more money, that is his prerogative.
I don’t mind the way ESI are dealing with it. Offer made, deadline given, offer refused. Ball is on their court and they’ve responded. Let’s hope a decent replacement is lined up.5 -
Even if you haven't got replacements lined up, you can't keep someone here who either doesn't want to be here or who will only stay here if we agreed to pay an amount which we don't think he's worth. He rejected the offer.1
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Lyle was offered a very good deal and one he has chosen to turn down
sell him move on no big deal28 -
Striker market snapshot from Europe...my Czech club, Viktoria Plzen have a star striker, Michal Krmencik. He's 26, and before last season Bordeaux, and allegedly Newcastle too, were prepared to pay £6m for him. Unlike many continental strikers he is robust as well as pacey and I could imagine him doing well in the English game (at least based on what I see on the pitch, which I'll come back to). Anyway, Viktoria doubled his salary, his agent shut up, and he stayed. Within a couple of months, did his ACL, out for the season. Only back to fitness for this new season, and some talk about whether he has lost some pace. But he has 10 goals already. Anyway, Genoa want him. Looks like the clubs are arguing in the price range £4-5M with his salary offer coming out at - and this caught my eye, given Taylor - 16k a week.
If he has not lost pace, then he would potentially be a monster in the Championship, and certainly an upgrade on Taylor -as a footballer. And the overall fee plus salary package is what many Championship clubs pay for strikers, and more. Ross McCormick, anyone, to pluck one from the air.
The risk though is that, I am pretty sure he speaks no English, and Czech players generally don't seem to adapt so well when they move abroad. So I am not sure how quickly or how well he would fit into our club ethic and dressing room. How would you assess that in advance, if Bow can't sit down, look him in the eye, and have a chat with him? All those considerations add to the upward pressure on prices for strikers from within the English leagues. That's the issue we face when deciding to sell Ttaylor. But I am glad it isn't Duchatelet assessing that issue -and it would have been, if these guys had not pushed the deal through before the window. That's a positive worth reflecting on.2 -
Unlike Parker, he didn't refuse to train and if you saw how he played ? It didn't affect his performances.iamdan said:I heard the same.Stormed out & went home.
If you want him to be a panto villian so be it.
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How many championship games has Lyle played in his career and how many goals has he scored (and how many were penalties)?SheedyCAFC said:It’s alright saying he’s replaceable but you have to line up a replacement first, if we miss out on Ivan Toney then what? Surely from a business point of view you’re better off just paying Lyle as much as he wants being a proven quality Championship striker1 -
Sureely not our new scout?????Chunes said:My mate who works at the club says ESI's head scout says Lyle's not good enough anyway. We're signing two strikers from the Dubai third division to replace him.
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I don’t want him to leave - but he does want to leave for whatever reason and I would personally rather get a new striker in now and Lyle gets his move away he doesn’t owe the club anything but I will always want what is best for my clubcafctom said:The amount of passive aggressive “see ya” or “cheerio Lyle” type messages in response to this demonstrate that really, deep down, very few of us want him to leave.0 -
aaarghhhhBangkokaddick said:
Sureely not our new scout?????Chunes said:My mate who works at the club says ESI's head scout says Lyle's not good enough anyway. We're signing two strikers from the Dubai third division to replace him.0 -
You're one of those I'm referring to. It's no big deal to sell him. The big deal is replacing him effectively. I don't say that ESI won't or can't, but nobody should underestimate the difficulty in doing so. We are not selling a fleet of fucking lorries.nth_london_addick said:Lyle was offered a very good deal and one he has chosen to turn down
sell him move on no big deal6
