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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)

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  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,144
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    edited January 2020
    The teams interested in Lyle, not including Brentford.



    I am surprised Leeds don't go for him, Bamford is a bit inconsistent and I think an in form Taylor secures them promotion, he would suit their system and style 

  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    grumpyaddick said:
    The two key priorities for ESI in this new dawn for Charlton Athletic were to secure our star striker and talisman Lyle Taylor and the services of Lee Bowyer. 

    Both were instrumental in the unlikely rescue of the club from disaster and the unforgettable Wembley play off victory. Both make the club tick. 

    So far they have failed to achieve either. 

    Some people have very short memories. Losing Lyle is just the same as losing Yann. Losing LB will be just like losing CP.  And we know what happened then. 

    It's early days i know but I already have deja vu.  This feels like Roland 2.
    Give it a rest, this is still issues caused by Roland's reign.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Braziliance said:
    The teams interested in Lyle, not including Brentford.



    I am surprised Leeds don't go for him, Bamford is a bit inconsistent and I think an in form Taylor secures them promotion, he would suit their system and style 

    They don't need him, promotion is there for Leeds to lose, if they carry on as they are they are a Prem team next season and Taylor is not a Premiership Forward.
  • Charltonparklane
    Charltonparklane Posts: 5,786
    eaststandmike said:
    Braziliance said:
    The teams interested in Lyle, not including Brentford.



    I am surprised Leeds don't go for him, Bamford is a bit inconsistent and I think an in form Taylor secures them promotion, he would suit their system and style 

    They don't need him, promotion is there for Leeds to lose, if they carry on as they are they are a Prem team next season and Taylor is not a Premiership Forward.
    Did you watch Leeds implode last season???

    They become tired 
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Charltonparklane said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Braziliance said:
    The teams interested in Lyle, not including Brentford.



    I am surprised Leeds don't go for him, Bamford is a bit inconsistent and I think an in form Taylor secures them promotion, he would suit their system and style 

    They don't need him, promotion is there for Leeds to lose, if they carry on as they are they are a Prem team next season and Taylor is not a Premiership Forward.
    Did you watch Leeds implode last season???

    They become tired 
    I did, and as I said in my reply, promotion is theirs to lose. I still don't think they need to spend £3m on Taylor to get the job done though.
  • hudson-son-son
    hudson-son-son Posts: 2,645
    I just can't see what we're going to get with the what, 1.5m (max, probably nearer 1m if that) we'd ever get for Lyle when he's out of contract in the summer that would be better than having him til the end of the year to help keep us up so we can have a rebuild, starting from the Championship.

    If West Brom really want him though and give him a chance of Prem football next year and he pushes to go then I guess we have no choice, but I still think it's worth holding on even if he has no interest in re-signing.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    hudson-son-son said:
    I just can't see what we're going to get with the what, 1.5m (max, probably nearer 1m if that) we'd ever get for Lyle when he's out of contract in the summer that would be better than having him til the end of the year to help keep us up so we can have a rebuild, starting from the Championship.

    If West Brom really want him though and give him a chance of Prem football next year and he pushes to go then I guess we have no choice, but I still think it's worth holding on even if he has no interest in re-signing.
    Which is why he's not been transfer listed, I assume.
  • bigstemarra
    bigstemarra Posts: 5,098
    Shame, but can't begrudge the lad.  Footballers have a short career and he has just a few years left to cash in.

    Either we will sell him and recoup a fee or keep him as an asset to help us stay up before he leaves in the summer.

    Either way, we move on.

    I have faith in LB, SG and ESI to do the right thing for the club. Onwards and upwards!
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    PragueAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
    £16k per week £832k x 3years is around £2.5m 

    where we gonna get a striker as good as him all in wages and purchase price for that .

    he's worth more than that to us and to himself 
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  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    oohaahmortimer said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
    £16k per week £832k x 3years is around £2.5m 

    where we gonna get a striker as good as him all in wages and purchase price for that .

    he's worth more than that to us and to himself 
    he was also offered a loyalty bonus plus a signing on fee
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    cafcdave123 said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
    £16k per week £832k x 3years is around £2.5m 

    where we gonna get a striker as good as him all in wages and purchase price for that .

    he's worth more than that to us and to himself 
    he was also offered a loyalty bonus plus a signing on fee
    so many different versions of what he has and hasn't been offered but prague or blackpool have you heard any signing on numbers 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    edited January 2020
    There are arguments to let Taylor go.

    However, there is a danger it will cost us more to replace him than to give him what he's after.  Coupled with the fact we need a striker to keep us up and there is no guarantee the new guy/s will do any better.


  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    CharltonByBlood said:
    I heard we offered him 12k a week and his current deal is 7-9K
    He came from Wimbledon and we were a league one side when he joined. I'd be very surprised if he's on 9k.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,810
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    There are arguments to let Taylor go.

    However, there is a danger it will cost us more to replace him than to give him what he's after.  Coupled with the fact we need a striker to keep us up and there is no guarantee the new guy/s will do any better.


    this is the key - with Lyle we know him and know he'll do a job for us, I'll be gutted if/when he goes.

    I fear it won't end well for him and he'll become another Ricky Holmes, I hope not.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    If Lyle does leave I hope Matt’s got a stonker of a signing already lined up to replace him, otherwise he will have really dropped a goolie.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    I hear what everyone says, but can't help but be disappointed in both him and the club. We suffered on the field in letting Yann go and can't help feeling this will end the same way.
  • WishIdStayedinthePub
    WishIdStayedinthePub Posts: 648
    Sounds like an on-going negotiation to me, nothing more.  Like the Bowyer situation. Trying to avoid the B word but you rarely get anything you want in a big negotiation without (a) getting emotional and (b) walking away at least once.

    Or, it's just that Lyle thinks he can not only get more money but a bigger opportunity, then it won't matter what we offer.

    It's totally fair enough for him to put himself out in the market and see what he's worth.  I trust Bowyer, Gallen and the new owners to do the right thing, whether that's stump up more money or bring someone else in, albeit he is going to be very difficult to replace.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    oohaahmortimer said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
    £16k per week £832k x 3years is around £2.5m 

    where we gonna get a striker as good as him all in wages and purchase price for that .

    he's worth more than that to us and to himself 
    he was also offered a loyalty bonus plus a signing on fee
    so many different versions of what he has and hasn't been offered but prague or blackpool have you heard any signing on numbers 
    No mate.
    If I hear anything I'll post on here. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    PragueAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
    16k a week isn't really a 'shit' offer, but it might be considered shit if the guy can get 20k a week plus a 1m signing on fee from another club in the summer.
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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    WishIdStayedinthePub said:
    Sounds like an on-going negotiation to me, nothing more.  Like the Bowyer situation. Trying to avoid the B word but you rarely get anything you want in a big negotiation without (a) getting emotional and (b) walking away at least once.

    Or, it's just that Lyle thinks he can not only get more money but a bigger opportunity, then it won't matter what we offer.

    It's totally fair enough for him to put himself out in the market and see what he's worth.  I trust Bowyer, Gallen and the new owners to do the right thing, whether that's stump up more money or bring someone else in, albeit he is going to be very difficult to replace.
    There's a third option which is to let Lyle see out his contract. Ok, he can leave at the end of June for no fee, but assuming he's on £7k per week now it just costs us around £180k in wages. There's always a chance we can change his mind as well and I would not expect him to down tools either.

  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    What makes me sad is knowing how valuable he is to us but you have clubs fans like Leeds, WBA, Rangers, Brentford etc saying he isn't good enough. Hope he has a good look at stuff like that before making a decision. 

    Then again if he searches his name he will also see the fans of the current club that employs him giving him pelters ffs
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Braziliance said:
    The teams interested in Lyle, not including Brentford.



    I am surprised Leeds don't go for him, Bamford is a bit inconsistent and I think an in form Taylor secures them promotion, he would suit their system and style 

    Leeds desperately need another striker, with Nketiah going back to Arsenal. Taylor would fit in their system quite well 
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,561
    edited January 2020
    bobmunro said:
    WishIdStayedinthePub said:
    Sounds like an on-going negotiation to me, nothing more.  Like the Bowyer situation. Trying to avoid the B word but you rarely get anything you want in a big negotiation without (a) getting emotional and (b) walking away at least once.

    Or, it's just that Lyle thinks he can not only get more money but a bigger opportunity, then it won't matter what we offer.

    It's totally fair enough for him to put himself out in the market and see what he's worth.  I trust Bowyer, Gallen and the new owners to do the right thing, whether that's stump up more money or bring someone else in, albeit he is going to be very difficult to replace.
    There's a third option which is to let Lyle see out his contract. Ok, he can leave at the end of June for no fee, but assuming he's on £7k per week now it just costs us around £180k in wages. There's always a chance we can change his mind as well and I would not expect him to down tools either.

    Sadly, I get the feeling that Lyle HAS 'downed tools' with Charlton - certainly mentally and probably, therefore, also physically and with diminished commitment. I said many months ago when he was on the verge of signing for Brentford that he is (IMHO) the single most important player to play for us for many years. HOWEVER, a bit like having the perfect girlfriend, is 'she' does not want to continue the relationship you really do have to accept it and move on. Gutted to lose him though.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
     killerandflash said:
    Braziliance said:
    The teams interested in Lyle, not including Brentford.



    I am surprised Leeds don't go for him, Bamford is a bit inconsistent and I think an in form Taylor secures them promotion, he would suit their system and style 

    Leeds desperately need another striker, with Nketiah going back to Arsenal. Taylor would fit in their system quite well 
    If clubs pushing for promotion want him, quote them £10m. Test how much they are willing to pay to get to the premiership 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Swansea, Sheffield Wednesday, West Brom and Rangers

    Parachute payments and likely to lose Ayew. Would need another striker
    Dodgy FFP compliance - a points deduction would destroy any chance of promotion, not sure why they need Lyle anyway
    Parachute payments, again not sure why they would need Lyle seeing that Charlie Austin is on the bench
    Mickey Mouse league but European football
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,144
    blackpool72 said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    We know @redhenry has good sources (plural) outside the club so if he's saying it wasn't a good offer than I believe him.

    Without upsetting Carlyburn and not calling anyone a w****** there are two side to the story as Cawley has just reminded everyone just as there was when Bowyer was "sacked" in the summer for being greedy.

    I think this tale has a few more twists in the plot yet.
    @Redhenry said it was a "shit" offer or something equally charged. Like @blackpool72 I have heard it is 16k. I don't think that is a shit offer at all. He might get more from a nut house like Rangers (while they still have cash in the bank, anyway) but that would not make our offer "shit".

    So let me ask @redhenry this. Is  the figure you heard less than 15k? Or if in fact we have all three of us heard the same figure, why would you say it is shit?
    £16k per week £832k x 3years is around £2.5m 

    where we gonna get a striker as good as him all in wages and purchase price for that .

    he's worth more than that to us and to himself 
    he was also offered a loyalty bonus plus a signing on fee
    so many different versions of what he has and hasn't been offered but prague or blackpool have you heard any signing on numbers 
    No mate.
    If I hear anything I'll post on here. 
    Same for me. Signing on fee not mentioned. I would have thought it would have been mentioned. 
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    PragueAddick said:
    Name the figure then, @Redhenry. Or alternatively name a figure that you think would be reasonable for us to offer.
    He should be on minimum 10k the basic is offered is nowhere near that...
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Redhenry said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Name the figure then, @Redhenry. Or alternatively name a figure that you think would be reasonable for us to offer.
    He should be on minimum 10k the basic is offered is nowhere near that...
    Shameful 
    the old you keep us up bonus 
    win fa cup bonus 
    win champions league bonus 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,144
    I learnt something else recently, maybe others heard it years ago, but apparently in Fergie's reign at Man U, no player was allowed to earn more than he was. That makes a lot of sense overall. Undermines a manager's authority if you have players swanning around earning more than him. 

    Maybe ESI are trying to get some kind of salary discipline in place, and maybe that's one of their rules. 

    In the "real world" of management recruitment, which I work in now, a good company aims to pay its key people a salary that may not be best in market, but is only bettered by other companies where the risk to the employee of going there is higher. The player market is much wilder than in this real world, of course, but some sort of discipline like that has to be imposed by owners who want a well run club. As others have said, there are risks to Lyle going to those other clubs that have been mentioned, especially because he isn't a benchwarmer, that guy wants to play every week. 

    There is of course another element. If he accepted our 16k offer, it may not be him that loses out so much compared to if he went off to Rangers. It would be his agent.

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