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*******Bowyer SIGNED 3 YEAR DEAL (page 27 onwards )******
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Still doesn't sound too convinced old Bows does he.
Maybe it's the cynic him after working under the Belgian miser. God knows we've all felt that way recently.3 -
Sounds more to me like Bowyer does know what the contract is and isn't happy with a rolling contract so has put this out there for negotiation. Or I could be talking bollocks which is equally as possible.5
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How does a five year rolling contract work?2
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I suppose he's tied down for five years but if he's sacked he doesnt get compensation1
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It sounds like an oxymoron to meCallumcafc said:How does a five year rolling contract work?1 -
He will have never seen a proper manager contract before!carly burn said:Still doesn't sound too convinced old Bows does he.
Maybe it's the cynic him after working under the Belgian miser. God knows we've all felt that way recently.
I understand what he is saying. If a player signs a five year deal he is guaranteed five years’ pay. Either he plays for five years, or for example plays for three and gets splinters on his arse for two, or he is bought by another club after say three years and cops another contract with employment continuity preserved. If a player is released from a contract early (by mutual agreement) then he will likely get the unexpired balance paid.
A manager signs a five year deal and gets sacked after say two he cops on average a year’s pay as termination. Hence Bower saying it is in reality a 12 month rolling contract. The only way to avoid that is to have a termination clause that would pay the balance of the contract - but that is very unusual for a manager.
of course either a player or manager can still be terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct.7 -
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No not bollocks I don’t think, I agree with you it sounds like he knows & is getting it out there that it needs changing. I reckon he’s learned a thing or two from all his years in the game & from the managers he’s worked under.Talal said:Sounds more to me like Bowyer does know what the contract is and isn't happy with a rolling contract so has put this out there for negotiation. Or I could be talking bollocks which is equally as possible.3 -
@bobmunro Can you get on the phone to Bowyer's agent? Please.0
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So in short, does that mean if ESI ever want to sack him (let's hope not) they have to pay him 12 months wages from the date they sack him, regardless of where they are in the agreed 5 year contract'?bobmunro said:
He will have never seen a proper manager contract before!carly burn said:Still doesn't sound too convinced old Bows does he.
Maybe it's the cynic him after working under the Belgian miser. God knows we've all felt that way recently.
I understand what he is saying. If a player signs a five year deal he is guaranteed five years’ pay. Either he plays for five years, or for example plays for three and gets splinters on his arse for two, or he is bought by another club after say three years and cops another contract with employment continuity preserved. If a player is released from a contract early (by mutual agreement) then he will likely get the unexpired balance paid.
A manager signs a five year deal and gets sacked after say two he cops on average a year’s pay as termination. Hence Bower saying it is in reality a 12 month rolling contract. The only way to avoid that is to have a termination clause that would pay the balance of the contract - but that is very unusual for a manager.
of course either a player or manager can still be terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct.0 -
Agreed also.... I imagine he knows the basics of what is in it alreadyCharlton_Road_James said:
No not bollocks I don’t think, I agree with you it sounds like he knows & is getting it out there that it needs changing. I reckon he’s learned a thing or two from all his years in the game & from the managers he’s worked under.Talal said:Sounds more to me like Bowyer does know what the contract is and isn't happy with a rolling contract so has put this out there for negotiation. Or I could be talking bollocks which is equally as possible.0 -
What if Bowyer keeps us up this season. Next season go for it...oh not much funds, do what you can Lee. We get relegated. Do you think Lee will manage us again in league 1?bobmunro said:
He will have never seen a proper manager contract before!carly burn said:Still doesn't sound too convinced old Bows does he.
Maybe it's the cynic him after working under the Belgian miser. God knows we've all felt that way recently.
I understand what he is saying. If a player signs a five year deal he is guaranteed five years’ pay. Either he plays for five years, or for example plays for three and gets splinters on his arse for two, or he is bought by another club after say three years and cops another contract with employment continuity preserved. If a player is released from a contract early (by mutual agreement) then he will likely get the unexpired balance paid.
A manager signs a five year deal and gets sacked after say two he cops on average a year’s pay as termination. Hence Bower saying it is in reality a 12 month rolling contract. The only way to avoid that is to have a termination clause that would pay the balance of the contract - but that is very unusual for a manager.
of course either a player or manager can still be terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct.1 -
Southall wants Bowyer as our manager.Bowyer wants to be our manager.
I can see rapport already established between the two.
This is a contract offer and negotiation inevitably follows. Fully expect it to be signed in the early part if next week followed by some players signing.13 -
Yes that would be a typical termination clause in a manager’s contract.EdgeleyAddick said:
So in short, does that mean if ESI ever want to sack him (let's hope not) they have to pay him 12 months wages from the date they sack him, regardless of where they are in the agreed 5 year contract'?bobmunro said:
He will have never seen a proper manager contract before!carly burn said:Still doesn't sound too convinced old Bows does he.
Maybe it's the cynic him after working under the Belgian miser. God knows we've all felt that way recently.
I understand what he is saying. If a player signs a five year deal he is guaranteed five years’ pay. Either he plays for five years, or for example plays for three and gets splinters on his arse for two, or he is bought by another club after say three years and cops another contract with employment continuity preserved. If a player is released from a contract early (by mutual agreement) then he will likely get the unexpired balance paid.
A manager signs a five year deal and gets sacked after say two he cops on average a year’s pay as termination. Hence Bower saying it is in reality a 12 month rolling contract. The only way to avoid that is to have a termination clause that would pay the balance of the contract - but that is very unusual for a manager.
of course either a player or manager can still be terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct.It can vary though with the balance payable, but that is rare. Maybe that’s what Lee wants.3 -
We’ll see. I hope not but other than not being Duchatelet , I wasn’t impressed with anything The new chairman said last week and their inability to get a striker in this week suggests there’s not much in the potstonemuse said:14 -
I’m hopeful a 3 year deal with a two year extension in our favour will be the kind of deal that’s seen as fair to all parties. Lee is due a good deal with everything that’s happened but likewise you can’t expect MS to roll over and have his tummy tickled. I’m sure we’ll get there.1
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Strange that Bowyer is playing this all
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Agree, find it hard to believe the contract that was emailed to Lee's agent on Thursday according to Matt Southall hadn't been read by said agent and the salient points: wages and how the 5 years contract is laid out wasn't text or emailed by the time Lee got to bed with Mrs B on Thursday night. If in 48 hours Lee hadn't seen or been made aware of the above then Bowyer should get a new agent.Charlton_Road_James said:
No not bollocks I don’t think, I agree with you it sounds like he knows & is getting it out there that it needs changing. I reckon he’s learned a thing or two from all his years in the game & from the managers he’s worked under.Talal said:Sounds more to me like Bowyer does know what the contract is and isn't happy with a rolling contract so has put this out there for negotiation. Or I could be talking bollocks which is equally as possible.
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They won’t be held to ransom on players demands or clubs and rightly so if we have to pay the bucks for players then you might aswell get the right ones
the blackpool price hike was ridiculous
bows will sign both parties want it to happen and it will
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Would anyone in the management game be so nonchalant if a 5 year contract was mentioned?
I know he's laid back but even I was expecting him the head out to LA, pen in hand.
To say he still hasn't seen it is nonsense.
I too am not overly impressed with this playing out in the media.3 -
He needs to stop playing this out so publicly. Surely he deserves to give Southall the trust at this early stage to do the right thing.
If I were chairman or owner I wouldn’t be happy with the manager coming out with stuff this explicitly so early on.15 -
5 year deals in football in this day and age are unheard of for managers, I also don't think they work out too well as potential for complacency sets in and everything these days is geared for short term success.
Bowyer should really just do his negotiations behind the scenes as it doesn't paint a good picture doing out in public, he's not dealing with Roland anymore, MS actually takes an interest in running the club3 -
Think Bow needs to be careful. In Tahnoon he’s dealing with a very successful businessman who I doubt is used to being dicked around or used to his dirty laundry being aired in public.18
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I think the pot is boiling over myself. Heavy investment now wont get us promoted. It'll happen when the time is right.Rossman92 said:0 -
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Ermmm......what’s dirty about it. Both parties are being quite open about the negotiations, doesn’t bother me in the slightest.LargeAddick said:Think Bow needs to be careful. In Tahnoon he’s dealing with a very successful businessman who I doubt is used to being dicked around or used to his dirty laundry being aired in public.4
