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Charlton in the Guardian
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So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!1 -
Thanks for saving me 2 minutes of my life.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!3 -
You can watch this then:SantaClaus said:
Thanks for saving me 2 minutes of my life.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!
A film byĀ Tom Brandhorst. Getting our Charlton back. Unmissable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=JmVt8WJNXys&feature=emb_logo
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News is so yesterday š0
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Fair enough, but what āmore on the takeoverā was there?iainment said:
A tad unfair.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!
99%+ of the Guardians readership wouldnāt know the half of what happened at Charlton. A good article I thought for non Charlton fans.
It seems like old stuff in a new place.0 -
If it were a daily mail article people would be tripping over themselves to say "IM NOT OPENING THAT RIGHT WING RAG"ĀMrWalker said:
Fair enough, but what āmore on the takeoverā was there?iainment said:
A tad unfair.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!
99%+ of the Guardians readership wouldnāt know the half of what happened at Charlton. A good article I thought for non Charlton fans.
It seems like old stuff in a new place.
Fantastic article!3 -
I think this is the first article that highlights the role the fans played in forcing the owner out.Ā0
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Why the uncharitable remarks? It's a fine, well written and accurate article.Ā
Agreed, it tells an Addick nothing new. But - we have a club to rebuild and a high-quality piece in the serious sports media can only be welcome. Some positivity, please, guys ....
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Of course they would - if it were in the Mail they would have written about former Charlton owner Karl Oyston upsetting fans at The Den, marches in his home town of St Etienne and how good incoming chairman Matt Greenford is...ĀHuskaris said:
If it were a daily mail article people would be tripping over themselves to say "IM NOT OPENING THAT RIGHT WING RAG"ĀMrWalker said:
Fair enough, but what āmore on the takeoverā was there?iainment said:
A tad unfair.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!
99%+ of the Guardians readership wouldnāt know the half of what happened at Charlton. A good article I thought for non Charlton fans.
It seems like old stuff in a new place.
Fantastic article! Ā Ā 7 -
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You obviously don't like the Mail. Fair enough. But your criticism of it for the coverage it gave our protests are far wide of the mark.Algarveaddick said:
Of course they would - if it were in the Mail they would have written about former Charlton owner Karl Oyston upsetting fans at The Den, marches in his home town of St Etienne and how good incoming chairman Matt Greenford is...ĀHuskaris said:
If it were a daily mail article people would be tripping over themselves to say "IM NOT OPENING THAT RIGHT WING RAG"ĀMrWalker said:
Fair enough, but what āmore on the takeoverā was there?iainment said:
A tad unfair.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!
99%+ of the Guardians readership wouldnāt know the half of what happened at Charlton. A good article I thought for non Charlton fans.
It seems like old stuff in a new place.
Fantastic article! Ā Ā
It did in fact cover many of the protests in detail and very sympathetically. It also covered the protests in a lot more detail than many other nationals.
A fact you may not like but true.14 -
It is "more" in the sense that, as @iainment says, it gets our story to a wider audience. That will be very valuable for the future, especially if - Heaven forfend - the takeover does not work out as we have been led to believe.
The article's author is not a Guardian staffer. he is the guy who has already created the excellent film highlighted by @Oggy Red, and platformed on Copa 90. The Guardian has given that a much wider audience too.Ā
Finally, for those like @MrWalker and @Huskaris who are politically averse to the Guardian and anything in it, a little bit of history.
In 1985, when "we" decided to up sticks to Selhurst, one national newspaper thought this was a big enough mistake to deserve an editorial about it. An editorial! That paper was The Guardian.
In 1989 when we first announced we would returnĀ one national newspaper thought this was a big enough good news to deserve an editorial about it.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1990 when the Valley Party was launched, most of the print media either ignored it, or scoffed (the Evening SubStandard especially). One national newspaper covered it all, from the launch to the triumph on election night.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1992 when we went home, there was significant coverage in many papers, but one newspaper included in its double page spread an article by Michael Grade on the day, embellished with a huge iconic photo of a shaven-haird young fan in the crowd in tears.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
The journo who covered the Valley Party, Martin Thorpe , who sadly passed away in 2016, continued to write about Charlton's rise through the 90s, highlighting the community club aspect. His modern day equivalent is Owen Gibson, who actually lives in Charlton and was a guest at a CAST meeting a couple of years back, where he explained the increasing commercial pressure that forces papers like the Guardian to focus on FAPL stories.Ā
If you want to have a go at the Guardian, fill yer boots on the politics threads. I'll see you there. But know that for 35 years Charlton fans have had no better, more consistent friend in the national media than The Guardian.50 -
You are quite right - I detest the Mail, I have no idea how much or little coverage they or any other newspaper gave, I wasn't measuring; but my comment was aimed at the general tissue of lies it spouts, rather than the specifics - the laugh emoji was put there to represent that I wasn't entirely serious.Ā Ā ĀFortune 82nd Minute said:
You obviously don't like the Mail. Fair enough. But your criticism of it for the coverage it gave our protests are far wide of the mark.Algarveaddick said:
Of course they would - if it were in the Mail they would have written about former Charlton owner Karl Oyston upsetting fans at The Den, marches in his home town of St Etienne and how good incoming chairman Matt Greenford is...ĀHuskaris said:
If it were a daily mail article people would be tripping over themselves to say "IM NOT OPENING THAT RIGHT WING RAG"ĀMrWalker said:
Fair enough, but what āmore on the takeoverā was there?iainment said:
A tad unfair.MrWalker said:So many words saying so little new.
Who'd a thought it?
Go media!
99%+ of the Guardians readership wouldnāt know the half of what happened at Charlton. A good article I thought for non Charlton fans.
It seems like old stuff in a new place.
Fantastic article! Ā Ā
It did in fact cover many of the protests in detail and very sympathetically. It also covered the protests in a lot more detail than many other nationals.
A fact you may not like but true.1 -
I had no idea Martin had passed away - spent quite a bit of time with him on that election night. Stand up guy and good company.Ā ĀPragueAddick said:It is "more" in the sense that, as @iainment says, it gets our story to a wider audience. That will be very valuable for the future, especially if - Heaven forfend - the takeover does not work out as we have been led to believe.
The article's author is not a Guardian staffer. he is the guy who has already created the excellent film highlighted by @Oggy Red, and platformed on Copa 90. The Guardian has given that a much wider audience too.Ā
Finally, for those like @MrWalker and @Huskaris who are politically averse to the Guardian and anything in it, a little bit of history.
In 1985, when "we" decided to up sticks to Selhurst, one national newspaper thought this was a big enough mistake to deserve an editorial about it. An editorial! That paper was The Guardian.
In 1989 when we first announced we would returnĀ one national newspaper thought this was a big enough good news to deserve an editorial about it.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1990 when the Valley Party was launched, most of the print media either ignored it, or scoffed (the Evening SubStandard especially). One national newspaper covered it all, from the launch to the triumph on election night.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1992 when we went home, there was significant coverage in many papers, but one newspaper included in its double page spread an article by Michael Grade on the day, embellished with a huge iconic photo of a shaven-haird young fan in the crowd in tears.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
The journo who covered the Valley Party, Martin Thorpe , who sadly passed away in 2016, continued to write about Charlton's rise through the 90s, highlighting the community club aspect. His modern day equivalent is Owen Gibson, who actually lives in Charlton and was a guest at a CAST meeting a couple of years back, where he explained the increasing commercial pressure that forces papers like the Guardian to focus on FAPL stories.Ā
If you want to have a go at the Guardian, fill yer boots on the politics threads. I'll see you there. But know that for 35 years Charlton fans have had no better, more consistent friend in the national media than The Guardian.2 -
Slightly concerned that the story about two people having sex on the pitch is illustrated with a photo of @Mosscat and @charltonnick
These are to upstanding Bromley Addicks and are in no way connected to such events
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Has that banner in the article made its way back to the museum yet @Henry Irving?0
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Given that the person holding it is one of the museum's trustees what do you think?cafcwill said:Has that banner in the article made its way back to the museum yet @Henry Irving?
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I wasn't sure if Thomas Driesen had stolen it and claimed that he had discovered the paint i used for it and that he overruled me on the fabric i chose.Ā ĀHenry Irving said:
Given that the person holding it is one of the museum's trustees what do you think?cafcwill said:Has that banner in the article made its way back to the museum yet @Henry Irving?
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Politically averse to the Guardian??
Weird observation.
i assume the word āmediaā escaped you.
āJournalismā is 98% cut and paste/ press release copy / social media trawling, with precious little investigation any more.0 -
I did hear that he was the real creative genius : -)cafcwill said:
I wasn't sure if Thomas Driesen had stolen it and claimed that he had discovered the paint i used for it and that he overruled me on the fabric i chose.Ā ĀHenry Irving said:
Given that the person holding it is one of the museum's trustees what do you think?cafcwill said:Has that banner in the article made its way back to the museum yet @Henry Irving?
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Great insight for those of us who weren't around until the 90s, thanks @PragueAddick. This kind of support should be remembered.PragueAddick said:It is "more" in the sense that, as @iainment says, it gets our story to a wider audience. That will be very valuable for the future, especially if - Heaven forfend - the takeover does not work out as we have been led to believe.
The article's author is not a Guardian staffer. he is the guy who has already created the excellent film highlighted by @Oggy Red, and platformed on Copa 90. The Guardian has given that a much wider audience too.Ā
Finally, for those like @MrWalker and @Huskaris who are politically averse to the Guardian and anything in it, a little bit of history.
In 1985, when "we" decided to up sticks to Selhurst, one national newspaper thought this was a big enough mistake to deserve an editorial about it. An editorial! That paper was The Guardian.
In 1989 when we first announced we would returnĀ one national newspaper thought this was a big enough good news to deserve an editorial about it.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1990 when the Valley Party was launched, most of the print media either ignored it, or scoffed (the Evening SubStandard especially). One national newspaper covered it all, from the launch to the triumph on election night.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1992 when we went home, there was significant coverage in many papers, but one newspaper included in its double page spread an article by Michael Grade on the day, embellished with a huge iconic photo of a shaven-haird young fan in the crowd in tears.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
The journo who covered the Valley Party, Martin Thorpe , who sadly passed away in 2016, continued to write about Charlton's rise through the 90s, highlighting the community club aspect. His modern day equivalent is Owen Gibson, who actually lives in Charlton and was a guest at a CAST meeting a couple of years back, where he explained the increasing commercial pressure that forces papers like the Guardian to focus on FAPL stories.Ā
If you want to have a go at the Guardian, fill yer boots on the politics threads. I'll see you there. But know that for 35 years Charlton fans have had no better, more consistent friend in the national media than The Guardian.7 -
So you are not politically adverse to the Guardian then. Good for you.Ā ĀMrWalker said:Politically averse to the Guardian??
Weird observation.
i assume the word āmediaā escaped you.
āJournalismā is 98% cut and paste/ press release copy / social media trawling, with precious little investigation any more.2 -
I only discovered it this morning while on Google trying to find an article from the late 90s. Really sad to read it. He was a diehard Scunthorpe fan, but in the national media I don't think we ever had a bigger and more reliable friend. if you told him something "off the record" that's where it stayed, 100%. I learnt a lot from him about proper journalistic standards.ĀAlgarveaddick said:
I had no idea Martin had passed away - spent quite a bit of time with him on that election night. Stand up guy and good company.Ā ĀPragueAddick said:It is "more" in the sense that, as @iainment says, it gets our story to a wider audience. That will be very valuable for the future, especially if - Heaven forfend - the takeover does not work out as we have been led to believe.
The article's author is not a Guardian staffer. he is the guy who has already created the excellent film highlighted by @Oggy Red, and platformed on Copa 90. The Guardian has given that a much wider audience too.Ā
Finally, for those like @MrWalker and @Huskaris who are politically averse to the Guardian and anything in it, a little bit of history.
In 1985, when "we" decided to up sticks to Selhurst, one national newspaper thought this was a big enough mistake to deserve an editorial about it. An editorial! That paper was The Guardian.
In 1989 when we first announced we would returnĀ one national newspaper thought this was a big enough good news to deserve an editorial about it.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1990 when the Valley Party was launched, most of the print media either ignored it, or scoffed (the Evening SubStandard especially). One national newspaper covered it all, from the launch to the triumph on election night.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
In 1992 when we went home, there was significant coverage in many papers, but one newspaper included in its double page spread an article by Michael Grade on the day, embellished with a huge iconic photo of a shaven-haird young fan in the crowd in tears.Ā That paper was The Guardian.
The journo who covered the Valley Party, Martin Thorpe , who sadly passed away in 2016, continued to write about Charlton's rise through the 90s, highlighting the community club aspect. His modern day equivalent is Owen Gibson, who actually lives in Charlton and was a guest at a CAST meeting a couple of years back, where he explained the increasing commercial pressure that forces papers like the Guardian to focus on FAPL stories.Ā
If you want to have a go at the Guardian, fill yer boots on the politics threads. I'll see you there. But know that for 35 years Charlton fans have had no better, more consistent friend in the national media than The Guardian.
I also remember that one time he had to cover a routine evening game at the Toolbox. He was so pissed off by the Spannerly behaviour he had to witness, that his sub-editor titled the report "No one likes us - and no wonder".5 -
Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
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You do realise BBW that by responding as you did it shows you do care.Big_Bad_World said:Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
#NotaproppaspannerĀ
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Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
You do realise BBW that by responding as you did it shows you do care.Big_Bad_World said:Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
#NotaproppaspannerĀ
Of course I care. I'm a compassionate kind of guy and full of empathy for others' plights, regardless of their worthiness 3 -
One of your better interventions, BBW, I will give you that. However your last sentence is obviously problematic. For it to have happened it would have Ā involved Spanners reading the Guardian.ĀBig_Bad_World said:Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
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PragueAddick said:
One of your better interventions, BBW, I will give you that. However your last sentence is obviously problematic. For it to have happened it would have Ā involved Spanners reading the Guardian.ĀBig_Bad_World said:Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
We're a broad 'place where people congregate to worship a make believe deity' so am sure that all forms of rag on both the left and right are read, cover to cover, to enable a balanced viewpoint to be formed. We're certainly not the type of people to read one side and then dismiss the other without ever having read it. That would mean we'd only ever hear our own voices, repeatedly, fading in to the distance of ones own self made chamberThat said, people don't read the Guardian. The Guardian preaches at it's readership.
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So what are you doing on the Dark Side, matey?Big_Bad_World said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
You do realise BBW that by responding as you did it shows you do care.Big_Bad_World said:Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
#NotaproppaspannerĀ
Of course I care. I'm a compassionate kind of guy and full of empathy for others' plights, regardless of their worthiness
Just pop down the The Valley next Wednesday evening, wearing your anorak and with transpotting notebook in hand, and you'll be made very welcome.
Elfsborg will even buy you a drink (he's the one with shorter legs than AFKA).
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Some would say due to child abuse, much like the religious bestowment so many suffer from at the hands of their family.Oggy Red said:
So what are you doing on the Dark Side, matey?Big_Bad_World said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
You do realise BBW that by responding as you did it shows you do care.Big_Bad_World said:Sounds like he just didn't 'understand'. That's on him, not us.
Although, to be fair, that's a really cutting headline. I imagine it really put those he was so cross with to the proverbial sword. I'm sure that taught them.
#NotaproppaspannerĀ
Of course I care. I'm a compassionate kind of guy and full of empathy for others' plights, regardless of their worthiness
Just pop down the The Valley next Wednesday evening, wearing your anorak and with transpotting notebook in hand, and you'll be made very welcome.
Elfsborg will even buy you a drink (he's the one with shorter legs than AFKA).
If I turned up at Charlton then the fiery gates of Hellwall would definitely be my only destination when I either rot in the ground or am burnt to ashes (I have no preferred method. Am happy to be chucked on a skip if truth be told. Why? because I'll be dead and none the wiser)
Thanks for the offer, though. It's the thought that counts 2
