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ESI: Thoughts so far?
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Didn't MS say we wanted green in the summer but now "had the finances" to make it happen?Airman Brown said:
We can all make that judgement at the end of January, I guess.Valley27000 said:Airman didn't Bowyer say we got some backing now so more then an RD budget?.0 -
Rolands mantra: You bought the wrong club
ESI's mantra: You bought the right club....at the wrong time!0 -
So who have we actually missed out on? there’s a load of words, but no namesAirman Brown said:
Unless you believe we haven't been trying to sign players as a matter of urgency then you must presumably accept we have missed out on some. I'm very confident the reason is because we have not been willing to pay the wages and fees even for loans that other clubs have. We have continued to operate to Roland's budget. If you want to believe otherwise that's up to you.Rothko said:Btw with Brewster, Liverpool had offers from most of the championship and most of the bottom half of the premier league, using that as a stick to beat ESI is straining to find a reason. they would place him in a system where they can develop the player and trust the style of play.Who have we missed out beyond that?
I do think we'll get some loans in. Look forward to seeing who.2 -
Not sure if its already been mentioned on here but Bowyer's comments in the Radio London Interview are worrying especially the items I have hi-lighted in bold.
Charlton Athletic boss Lee Bowyer told BBC Radio London:
"We need help, we've got too many kids out there, it's no disrespect to them, they're trying their hardest, but they're not ready for this. I keep saying it and no-one believes me.
"They're not ready to be playing in this division, it's the reality. I'm not saying just them. The senior lads are are all trying but I don't think it's fair on the kids who are playing, but we have no choice.
Does the first comment mean ESI do not believe him and he has to keep playing the kids?
And does the second comment mean he has no choice as we are not going to strengthen?
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The proof will be in the pudding and Airman is already alluding to wanky cheapskateness along the Duchatelet levels ....ohhhhhhhh greeeeeat
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No. And no.eaststandmike said:Not sure if its already been mentioned on here but Bowyer's comments in the Radio London Interview are worrying especially the items I have hi-lighted in bold.Charlton Athletic boss Lee Bowyer told BBC Radio London:
"We need help, we've got too many kids out there, it's no disrespect to them, they're trying their hardest, but they're not ready for this. I keep saying it and no-one believes me.
"They're not ready to be playing in this division, it's the reality. I'm not saying just them. The senior lads are are all trying but I don't think it's fair on the kids who are playing, but we have no choice.
Does the first comment mean ESI do not believe him and he has to keep playing the kids?
And does the second comment mean he has no choice as we are not going to strengthen?
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We once had a CEO who said that!CheshireAddick said:Having watched the LinkedIn interview (although didnt understand a word of it but enjoyed the red red Robin and back to the valley march) as well as all the instagram pictures etc, I'm sure HE is not going to ruin his reputation and the the Charlton 'project's fail. These guys do not do failure!!.1 -
Really good article. Only problem with it is the assumption that our new owners are somehow at the Man city wealth levels.Henry Irving said:Interesting article on the dilemma faced by ESI in this and future transfer windows.
One caveat, Benjy also writes for the OS so the cynical will question his impartiality. I don't BTW
https://medium.com/@benjynurick/transfer-window-from-hell-why-charlton-face-a-january-full-of-toil-bf7728b3504b
Nothing we've seen so far suggests they are.11 -
It does seem unique, that someone with an inside ear seems to imply we are...carly burn said:
Really good article. Only problem with it is the assumption that our new owners are somehow at the Man city wealth levels.Henry Irving said:Interesting article on the dilemma faced by ESI in this and future transfer windows.
One caveat, Benjy also writes for the OS so the cynical will question his impartiality. I don't BTW
https://medium.com/@benjynurick/transfer-window-from-hell-why-charlton-face-a-january-full-of-toil-bf7728b3504b
Nothing we've seen so far suggests they are.0 -
I'm sure Gallon, Bowyer and Southall are all aware and wont be shy in telling him whats needed.golfaddick said:
Problem is HE has not been into football & probably doesn't know or understand all the nuances of it all. Football is not like your normal business. He might not do "failure" & if so he'll better understand that by Feb 1st that's the end as far as doing anything to the squad......and by March 1st we could be bottom 3 and there would be nothing he could do about it. ESI have 10 days to save our season.CheshireAddick said:Having watched the LinkedIn interview (although didnt understand a word of it but enjoyed the red red Robin and back to the valley march) as well as all the instagram pictures etc, I'm sure HE is not going to ruin his reputation and the the Charlton 'project's fail. These guys do not do failure!!.
Although like you I'm frustrated that it's taking so long to tie up Bowyers contract and lack of signings. My biggest disappointed is the lack of transparency about the Valley and would have expected Southall to respond to the recent tweets / questions asked.4 - Sponsored links:
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Genuinely intrested @Airman Brown do your, obviously many, sources ever give you any good news? You hinted you knew that Bowyer knew about the offer of a 5 year deal before the press conference, but only mentioned it after.Airman Brown said:
We can all make that judgement at the end of January, I guess.Valley27000 said:Airman didn't Bowyer say we got some backing now so more then an RD budget?.
Have any of your sources given you reason to be optimistic about this take over? You seem to either be wise after the event or negative so far.
If they have, any chance you, could share them?1 -
Mendonca In Asdas said:
We once had a CEO who said that!CheshireAddick said:Having watched the LinkedIn interview (although didnt understand a word of it but enjoyed the red red Robin and back to the valley march) as well as all the instagram pictures etc, I'm sure HE is not going to ruin his reputation and the the Charlton 'project's fail. These guys do not do failure!!.
I think it's bit different this time though0 -
eaststandmike said:Not sure if its already been mentioned on here but Bowyer's comments in the Radio London Interview are worrying especially the items I have hi-lighted in bold.
Charlton Athletic boss Lee Bowyer told BBC Radio London:
"We need help, we've got too many kids out there, it's no disrespect to them, they're trying their hardest, but they're not ready for this. I keep saying it and no-one believes me.
"They're not ready to be playing in this division, it's the reality. I'm not saying just them. The senior lads are are all trying but I don't think it's fair on the kids who are playing, but we have no choice.
Does the first comment mean ESI do not believe him and he has to keep playing the kids?
And does the second comment mean he has no choice as we are not going to strengthen?
“We need to bring bodies in, that’s obvious. I know it, Steve Gallen (director of football) knows it and the chairman knows it.”
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There is and has been a lot of doubt about ESI all along. I tend to be up front and what I write is what you see, but it isn’t just coming from me. In fact people would be alarmed by some of the sources. If you go back to December I said in VOTV - printed before Christmas - there were noises that Bowyer’s contract would be difficult, Taylor wouldn’t agree a new deal and the transfer dealings in January wouldn’t be what people hoped. This wasn’t just speculation and self-evidently not “after the event”.Cafc43v3r said:
Genuinely intrested @Airman Brown do your, obviously many, sources ever give you any good news? You hinted you knew that Bowyer knew about the offer of a 5 year deal before the press conference, but only mentioned it after.Airman Brown said:
We can all make that judgement at the end of January, I guess.Valley27000 said:Airman didn't Bowyer say we got some backing now so more then an RD budget?.
Have any of your sources given you reason to be optimistic about this take over? You seem to either be wise after the event or negative so far.
If they have, any chance you, could share them?
I am open minded. We needed to get rid of Roland. There appears to be money there. There have been positive messages. But thus far we haven’t seen any money - in fact the committed spend has fallen, with Leko, Gallagher and Kayal gone and Green in. It’s not clear anything has been spent on buying the club - available for £1, previously, without the freehold assets - and the ex-directors’ loans have not been paid.
I’m sure that Matt Southall isn’t oblivious to the situation on the pitch. Like me he saw it with his own eyes yesterday. I’m sure he wants to do something about it and that Gallen and Bowyer are desperate to do so. So I hope and believe we will see some positive developments very quickly.
The single most important thing is that we stay up this season.
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We are owned by HE (officially) who runs the businesses of an Abu Dhabi Sheikh (one of the royal families).
We are led to believe that Abu Dhabi royal families are thoroughly honest and trustworthy and run multi worldwide businesses.
Therefore, I find it impossible to believe that they would wish to be directly or indirectly involved in some shady ownership of a reasonably high profile football club that would damage their reputation.
Lee Bowyer has been on record as saying that he didn't want to damage the team spirit by getting in too many players that would be on considerably higher wages than the existing squad.
So perhaps the plan is to spend a bit more than we were under RD but not pushing the boat out too far ?
This has possibly not worked as clubs/agents believe/know we have greater funds available.
Also, we can't spend recklessly for a number of years, because we will fall foul of FFP, unless we were promoted to the Premier League.
Perhaps realising our lack of success in the first 3 weeks we will increase our offers ?
I don't believe they bought the club to be anything other than a success and I believe they will be a success, but it won't be easy competing with the big clubs with parachute payments and much greater TV income like Leeds.13 -
Santa, have you been DBS checked ?SantaClaus said:If I wasn't for the drugs I'd be getting worried right now.
I had to when I was a football coach/Manager and I only gave the kids a quarter of an orange !0 -
So far this window we've spent far more, net, than if Roland were still in charge0
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JJ and Bowyer have said we had the 24th budget in the Championship.
If this is correct, how does FFP come into play if we go from 24th to say 15th ?
The club's falling foul of the FFP rules were paying well above anything we pay even if we doubled the wages of every player.
Rotherham and Burton were both relegated when they were the lowest payers so surely we have to have a certain increase ? 19 days down 12 to go. Becoming quite surreal again.0 -
It's quite easy to lose more than £13M a season, if we double wages and start spending £5M-£10M a season on transfers.
I think we used to lose @£7M (£5M-£10M), when we were reasonably prudent and got relegated.0 -
So I started this thread, whilst drunk, nigh on 24hrs ago.
I've had a good read through and my thoughts to the burning question based on comments:
Not very good.
Which is a shame. It's still early doors so don't lose faith.
I so wanted this takeover to blow us away. We all did. Can't help but feel ESI have missed the opportunity to score some big wins early on. There's still time. But they're going to have to pull something special out of the hat as we enter a crucial two week period *
*( another one!)2 - Sponsored links:
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I’ve been saying for a while we were on course to break even this season and Matt Southall said the same thing. There is plenty of FFP headroom.Covered End said:It's quite easy to lose more than £13M a season, if we double wages and start spending £5M-£10M a season on transfers.
I think we used to lose @£7M (£5M-£10M), when we were reasonably prudent and got relegated.7 -
Yes of course there is if we carry on in the same vein.Airman Brown said:
I’ve been saying for a while we were on course to break even this season and Matt Southall said the same thing. There is plenty of FFP headroom.Covered End said:It's quite easy to lose more than £13M a season, if we double wages and start spending £5M-£10M a season on transfers.
I think we used to lose @£7M (£5M-£10M), when we were reasonably prudent and got relegated.
I'm saying it's quite easy to "lose" £13M if you splash the cash.
Hypothetically, buy 2 players for £2.5M & there's £5M spent.
Those players earn £10K pw more than others and there's another £1M.
Signing on bonuses, a few other £0.5M transfers etc etc.1 -
HE is always on holiday and is making the climate change.
MS is always on Twitter without any socks on and trying to be our friend.
They frightened Connor and Maddison and made them run away.
I will judge them when I'm sad in February.
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And you know that for a fact, yes...?. We might have brought in Green in this window that (according to MS - and he doesnt lie does he) wasnt affordable in the summer, but do you know for a fact what RD would have let LB spend in this window ? No....I expect no one does.Chizz said:So far this window we've spent far more, net, than if Roland were still in charge
I'm just hoping that we dont get relegated by a couple of points as a draw yesterday could be the difference come May.0 -
Charlton’s squad reveals the need for substantial reinforcements and a quicker glance at the google search results for “Tahnoon Nimer” will get opposition clubs and agents licking their lipsstonemuse said:
Great article and reflects much of what I have been thinkingHenry Irving said:Interesting article on the dilemma faced by ESI in this and future transfer windows.
One caveat, Benjy also writes for the OS so the cynical will question his impartiality. I don't BTW
https://medium.com/@benjynurick/transfer-window-from-hell-why-charlton-face-a-january-full-of-toil-bf7728b3504b
Depends what floats your boat I suppose but I've had a go and found next to sod all on the geezer.1 -
To state the obvious, having it & spending it are two different things.Cafc43v3r said:
It does seem unique, that someone with an inside ear seems to imply we are...carly burn said:
Really good article. Only problem with it is the assumption that our new owners are somehow at the Man city wealth levels.Henry Irving said:Interesting article on the dilemma faced by ESI in this and future transfer windows.
One caveat, Benjy also writes for the OS so the cynical will question his impartiality. I don't BTW
https://medium.com/@benjynurick/transfer-window-from-hell-why-charlton-face-a-january-full-of-toil-bf7728b3504b
Nothing we've seen so far suggests they are.1 -
I hope you're clean by next December or else there will be some very disappointed childrenSantaClaus said:If I wasn't for the drugs I'd be getting worried right now.2 -
Pretty sure Santa doesn’t get round the world in 24 hours without a helping hand from his chem suite. Used to be we helped him out with a brandy and mince pie. These days he gets a vegan cake and an apple juice.killerandflash said:
I hope you're clean by next December or else there will be some very disappointed childrenSantaClaus said:If I wasn't for the drugs I'd be getting worried right now.He would probably get more done if he had a couple of snifters2 -
I don’t know how many Charlton fans are serious business people and I dont how many Charlton fans
are seriously street wise.
but as always there seems to be a lot of knee Jerk
negativity on this forum to quickly ?
i think we should give ESI and HE a chance to show their true hand or worth, till at least the end of this month.
Lee Bowyer must have his new contract in place by then, or there will be serious concern.
Has Roland Rat actually been paid any money at all
as yet for anything?2 -
Intresting. Thank you.Airman Brown said:
There is and has been a lot of doubt about ESI all along. I tend to be up front and what I write is what you see, but it isn’t just coming from me. In fact people would be alarmed by some of the sources. If you go back to December I said in VOTV - printed before Christmas - there were noises that Bowyer’s contract would be difficult, Taylor wouldn’t agree a new deal and the transfer dealings in January wouldn’t be what people hoped. This wasn’t just speculation and self-evidently not “after the event”.Cafc43v3r said:
Genuinely intrested @Airman Brown do your, obviously many, sources ever give you any good news? You hinted you knew that Bowyer knew about the offer of a 5 year deal before the press conference, but only mentioned it after.Airman Brown said:
We can all make that judgement at the end of January, I guess.Valley27000 said:Airman didn't Bowyer say we got some backing now so more then an RD budget?.
Have any of your sources given you reason to be optimistic about this take over? You seem to either be wise after the event or negative so far.
If they have, any chance you, could share them?
I am open minded. We needed to get rid of Roland. There appears to be money there. There have been positive messages. But thus far we haven’t seen any money - in fact the committed spend has fallen, with Leko, Gallagher and Kayal gone and Green in. It’s not clear anything has been spent on buying the club - available for £1, previously, without the freehold assets - and the ex-directors’ loans have not been paid.
I’m sure that Matt Southall isn’t oblivious to the situation on the pitch. Like me he saw it with his own eyes yesterday. I’m sure he wants to do something about it and that Gallen and Bowyer are desperate to do so. So I hope and believe we will see some positive developments very quickly.
The single most important thing is that we stay up this season.0
