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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)
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Figure Skating?
LTKapal is a Professional on Dancing on Ice, knows who has won already so cant release details due to the strict ITV NDA2 -
I'm going for handball1
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Volleyball?0
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Roller Hockey?0
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Er unless I've dreamt it I thought it might be something to do with their business model for sustainability over the next five years.Chunes said:
Ask yourself why we are having to target average playersThe Red Robin said:
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.CharltonByBlood said:Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-HarrisCan't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
Not sure if you've read Grapevine 49's earlier posts or last night's by iwishidstayedinthepub. These posters are experienced in their respective fields of International Corporate Banking / business dealings and Private Equity ventures. There's a lot of good information to take on board about the integrity, intentions and likely business model of these owners. Southall incidentally, I see as just the front man who has garnered the support of Nimer.
Rome wasn't built in a day and whilst their intentions were good to get new players in and existing contracts sorted it is near nigh impossible during the January transfer window to resolve all these issues. In fact I would say they have impacted badly on each other. It's no good people keeping on and on that they should've done this and should've done that, they haven't for one reason or another and we have to deal with what is in front of us. There are still 18 games and 54 points to play for, 6 wins and 3 draws should see us safe so let's have some patience don't panic (Southall has only officially been holding the reins for 14 working days!) and give the new owners a chance.
As for people misinterpretintg Southall having a contingency in place as acceptance of relegation, all businesses with turnover in the millions will have contingency plans in place in case the sh*t hits the fan! So nothing to see here.
Keep the faith and here's hoping for a point or three from tomorrow's match.20 -
Nobody has gone for pie eating yet, disappointed.3
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I've said all along that we are "playing" poker/in an auction, where the stakes/prices are higher and time shorter (as it's January).
The "game" ends when the window closes.
If our target clubs/players fold early in our favour we do the deal.
We might fold early, pay more than we want and do a deal.
If none of the parties fold before deadline day it goes to the wire.
Most parties go to deadline day.
I can't be certain we'll win the game.
The most likely outcome is we're just going to have to wait and see how this plays out.
We must have funds, EFL wouldn't have approved the takeover.
It is more about whether we are willing to pay the asking prices.
Everyone knows this, it's just that some are refusing to accept the reality.13 -
We’ve done both of those scenarios.........and more times than I care to remember!FishCostaFortune said:
If you are a promotion chasing team, why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin that chance. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.ValleyGary said:
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?Chunes said:
Ask yourself why we are having to target average playersThe Red Robin said:
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.CharltonByBlood said:Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-HarrisCan't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
If you are in a relegation battle why are you going to sell your best player and potentially ruin any chance of survival. Even if the team buying that player pay over the odds there is no guarantee you will find a suitable replacement.0 -
I'd be more relaxed about the lack of signings this week if Bowyer himself hadn't said that we needed reinforcements before Fulham
He certainly didn't sound like some who was happy to wait until the 31st January
https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-lee-bowyer-wants-bodies-in-before-fulham-and-reveals-unusual-offer-has-come-in-for-lyle-taylor/
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I’m going for Bar Skittles.cafcfan1990 said:
I think you have started something now, everybody will be desperate to know the sport.LTKapal said:
Not entirely true, I used to play a minor sport at International level, I won't say what because I'd prefer to keep my anonymity, anyway at one point I was the 2nd best player in the country, our team had players from all nationalities etc but I got frozen out the team because of political reasons. To put that back into a footballing perspective, some players don't suit certain styles and some fall out with their managers, it isn't always that they aren't as good.Dazzler21 said:
If they're good, why aren't they playing?Chunes said:
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average thenValleyGary said:
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?Chunes said:
Ask yourself why we are having to target average playersThe Red Robin said:
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.CharltonByBlood said:Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-HarrisCan't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
There's good players not playing all over the place.
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
I am going to start with Hockey?0 -
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It looks like ESI took the decision to buy Charlton in August or September when we were in form and riding high in the table. The club they have now has nose-dived for reasons we understand. But I do wonder if ESI are geared up for a relegation battle. I don’t see us getting many points from Fulham or Millwall at home, or Brentford or Leeds away. That puts a lot of pressure on the other games, especially six pointers at home to the bottom three.
This season’s plan to have seasoned professionals peppered with quality loanees has backfired with the injuries and Chelsea recalling possibly the best teenage midfielder I’ve seen in a Charlton shirt. I can understand ESI not wanting to waste money on players in this transfer window; they will want to overhaul the squad in the summer when many are out of contract. But the manager who they appear to be backing with a five year contract is publicly calling out for recruits now. I really hope ESI have a credible plan, be it loanees or purchases.
It’s now too late for the Fulham game, but the next eight days really are crucial.
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That's the beauty of a player like that though mate, he would be cheap and if it didn't pan out there is always a chance you can move him on again, always a club willing to take a chance. Been loads of these types over the years. We have an idea of what Blackpools wage bill is from that article, I would say he is on about no more than 3k a week, if we paid a fee of 650k and offered let's say 4.5k on a 3 year contract (just a guess) that's 1,352,000 over that time period. Very little risk in modern football, especially if we get better than him down the line and can probably move him on for a decent 6 figure sum, get him off the wage book.FishCostaFortune said:
I think the issue with many fans is they never look at the wider context of football transfers. I believe there is lots more to consider when buying players then whether they are 'average', 'good' etc.Chunes said:
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average thenValleyGary said:
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?Chunes said:
Ask yourself why we are having to target average playersThe Red Robin said:
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.CharltonByBlood said:Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-HarrisCan't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
There's good players not playing all over the place.
When we have our full team back, and fit, I honestly struggle to see who can bring in this window who would be a guaranteed first team player for us in the long term. As an example does anyone see Armannd Gnandulliet as a long term investment for the squad, is he going to be the striker to take us to the next level? If we got him in now, would his arrival guarantee us not getting relegated. If you don't think that then all of a sudden having to pay an larger fee and an extra 1k a week for him, to potentially be a 3rd or 4th striker does not make sense. Especially when we want to bring other players in and his wage is the basis they go off.
I can see why Charlton aren't buying these players who have the ability to step up seeing as they're free in the summer, it's a very dangerous game though. We are very far down the list in this league when it comes to wages and general team ability so we will struggle to attract players.1 -
I would say a contingency might have been bring in a player or two on loan who is/are better than one of the not ready youngsters we have had to rely on in January. Where games have been close, they may have made a difference. Hardly reaching for the stars and totally doable.4
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I am not ITK, just a Charlton supporter for over 70 years and last week I said. "we will not sign anyone before Thursday week after we have played and lost to Preston and Fulham", I am very rarely right so hopefully, my last prediction will be wrong5
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Anyone else a bit worried?
we are 21 days into the window, no signings and our Manager who whinged for a new contract to speed up signings has taken 2 weeks to sign.
we have had two games we could have potentially got an extra 3-4 points in and a game at home tomorrow night we could have more of a chance in.
it defies belief that anyone could not be at all pissed off or concerned about this. We’ve been struggling for numbers for 2 months and we don’t seem in any rush to rectify that problem. Hull for example have signed Malik Wilks, Herbie Kane and Samuelsen.2 -
*weve signed Andre green on loan, my apologies1
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Nope, I only worry about what I can influence anything else is a waste of my energy! 😉tgarrat1 said:Anyone else a bit worried?k
we are 21 days into the window, no signings and our Manager who whinged for a new contract to speed up signings has taken 2 weeks to sign.
we have had two games we could have potentially got an extra 3-4 points in and a game at home tomorrow night we could have more of a chance in.
it defies belief that anyone could not be at all pissed off or concerned about this. We’ve been struggling for numbers for 2 months and we don’t seem in any rush to rectify that problem. Hull for example have signed Malik Wilks, Herbie Kane and Samuelsen.8 -
LB has said that he is waiting for JJ and Marshall to sign new contractstgarrat1 said:Anyone else a bit worried?
we are 21 days into the window, no signings and our Manager who whinged for a new contract to speed up signings has taken 2 weeks to sign.
we have had two games we could have potentially got an extra 3-4 points in and a game at home tomorrow night we could have more of a chance in.
it defies belief that anyone could not be at all pissed off or concerned about this. We’ve been struggling for numbers for 2 months and we don’t seem in any rush to rectify that problem. Hull for example have signed Malik Wilks, Herbie Kane and Samuelsen.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1016669326?-11197:833
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Personally it defies my belief that people are pissed off and concerned about this. The transfer window is still open, with most deals getting done towards the back end of it, and alongside this we have quality players coming back from injury.tgarrat1 said:Anyone else a bit worried?
we are 21 days into the window, no signings and our Manager who whinged for a new contract to speed up signings has taken 2 weeks to sign.
we have had two games we could have potentially got an extra 3-4 points in and a game at home tomorrow night we could have more of a chance in.
it defies belief that anyone could not be at all pissed off or concerned about this. We’ve been struggling for numbers for 2 months and we don’t seem in any rush to rectify that problem. Hull for example have signed Malik Wilks, Herbie Kane and Samuelsen.
If by Feb 1st Bowyer has not signed a contract and our team is still looking weak then it will be time to worry. Until then people need to chill out.8 -
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Docherty training with the Rangers squad...
https://twitter.com/rangersfc/status/1219635855360516098?s=21
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Another few games have passed. WBA and Preston on paper and form wise suggest they weren’t winnable games but having been at both if we had an extra bit of experience we may well have an extra 3-4 points on the board.FishCostaFortune said:
Personally it defies my belief that people are pissed off and concerned about this. The transfer window is still open, with most deals getting done towards the back end of it, and alongside this we have quality players coming back from injury.tgarrat1 said:Anyone else a bit worried?
we are 21 days into the window, no signings and our Manager who whinged for a new contract to speed up signings has taken 2 weeks to sign.
we have had two games we could have potentially got an extra 3-4 points in and a game at home tomorrow night we could have more of a chance in.
it defies belief that anyone could not be at all pissed off or concerned about this. We’ve been struggling for numbers for 2 months and we don’t seem in any rush to rectify that problem. Hull for example have signed Malik Wilks, Herbie Kane and Samuelsen.
If by Feb 1st Bowyer has not signed a contract and our team is still looking weak then it will be time to worry. Until then people need to chill out.It’s not as if we have suddenly had a load of injured players. Apart from Gallagher leaving we knew we needed several players in quickly0 -
Thinking more synchronised swimming:)LTKapal said:Nobody has gone for pie eating yet, disappointed.0 -
You are correct, must have changed sometime over the last few days. That presents a dilemma. I had hoped we might have had a couple of new players to watch if I travelled to the game. Will decide tomorrow.SoundAsa£ said:
It now shows on the listing as being available....although the main game is Kilmarnock V Celtic.robinofottershaw said:
I looked like you and don't think it is on Red Button. Have therefore decided to go and suffer the nightmare rush hour trip around the M25 and up the A2, but not anticipating we will get much out of this one. But, you never knowSoundAsa£ said:Is the game on Sky Red Button?
I am actually going but would like to record it, however looking on Sky programs for tomorrow evening there are no Championship game listed, so I assume it’s a no, though someone on another thread said they will be watching it on Red Button. I think they are mistaken.
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Conkers?LTKapal said:Nobody has gone for pie eating yet, disappointed.1 -
Not a new signing, but a new sign.24 -
I love this thread.... said no one ever! 800 new posts of absolute crap and the only potential rumour Clarke-Harris. Thanks all, enjoyed reading some of that
Sorry it is a bit doom and gloom in here, so I thought I would add half a joke in there.
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If it is true Bowyer is waiting for Jackson and Marshall to be sorted before signing his contract, whilst not particularly surprising, he didn't mention that as a pre-condition last week. Last week he apparently wanted clarity around the specifics of the 5 year offer, the week before that his concern was that Southall delaying a contract offer until February was impacting player signings. What will be the issue next week. Grant Basey or the physio needing a contract extension? What the hell is going on?ross1 said:
LB has said that he is waiting for JJ and Marshall to sign new contractstgarrat1 said:Anyone else a bit worried?
we are 21 days into the window, no signings and our Manager who whinged for a new contract to speed up signings has taken 2 weeks to sign.
we have had two games we could have potentially got an extra 3-4 points in and a game at home tomorrow night we could have more of a chance in.
it defies belief that anyone could not be at all pissed off or concerned about this. We’ve been struggling for numbers for 2 months and we don’t seem in any rush to rectify that problem. Hull for example have signed Malik Wilks, Herbie Kane and Samuelsen.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1016669326?-11197:8332 -
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Only 12 of the 24 (including ourselves) have signed anybody, and 6 of those 12 haven't actually increased their squad size as they've let as many or more leave.
Only 4 of the 12 to sign somebody have actually spent any money (Hull and Swansea have brought players in for undisclosed amounts)33 -
Precisely. I'm all for the find undervalued players and improve them approach. Bow and Steve have been very good at that. But. It is possible to do well in the summer window and near enough impossible to do in January.Chunes said:
Competitive squad. Not the managers type of player. Fallen out of favour. Needs a run of games. Out of form. Doesn't fit in. Family hasn't settled in the area. Fans got on their back. Not being played to their strengths. Was played out of position. Doesn't fit the managers strategy. No place in the current formation. Being kept out of side by even better player. Generally undervalued.Dazzler21 said:
If they're good, why aren't they playing?Chunes said:
So we target average players? Do you really believe B&G had a conversation where they decided not to target the best they could get with the money they have, and just said let's do average thenValleyGary said:
Because in Jan many clubs want to keep their good players or sell them for way over their value?Chunes said:
Ask yourself why we are having to target average playersThe Red Robin said:
No, don't believe it, they're skint remember because Charlton Life said so.CharltonByBlood said:Not claiming to be ITK here but my friend who texted me saying Bowyer did not know about RD statement in the summer and was going to stay has just texted me and said we have bid around 1m for the Bristol Rovers striker Clarke-HarrisCan't wait for the pelters if it does not come off.
That or they don't want to overpay average players.
There's good players not playing all over the place.
Because they're not as good as you would like us to believe.
Off the top of my head.
Where did Yann come from?
In my view we need to be focusing on filling the 2 available loan spots with players who can come in and add quality for the rest of the season in key areas and keep us up.
We need 2 midfielders to maintain the same numbers as the start if the season. One to replace Gallagher and one to replace Kayal.
We need a striker, even more so if Lyle goes.
Then if we can get in a left sided utility defender or a creative number 10 then that's a bonus.3
