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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)

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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,645
    Got a good shot on him
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,420
    killerandflash said:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Byrne_(footballer)

    Fairly uninspiring playing history. Might be one for the future, but hardly someone to go straight into the team now
     See Macaulay Bonne for reference.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,492
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,420
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
     Every player is for sale at the right price.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,015
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
    MS has specifically said it would take a crazy offer so there definitely IS a number in mind. Who knows what it is or if it will be met though.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,816
    edited January 2020
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
    How much would you sell him for? 5mil? 10? 20? 50? 100? There comes a point where any offer is too good to refuse, if someone is willing to pay it.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,420
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
    How much would you sell him for?
    £56m - Nimer breaks even.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
    How much would you sell him for? 5mil? 10? 20? 50? 100? There comes a point where any offer is too good to refuse, if someone is willing to pay it.
    If it was Meire. it would have been 100ml of Chanel No.5 and a Christian La Croix handbag.
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    The same principles don’t apply since there is a deadline for the selling club. They can’t hold their asset forever because if they miss the deadline they get 0.

    Like I said if they don’t want to sell in the first place, what makes you think the price is going up late in the window?

    Are we asking more for Lyle Taylor now than we were two weeks ago?
    Are we asking anything?
    He’ll have a price I’m sure.
    You are assuming he’s for sale......do you know that?
    How much would you sell him for? 5mil? 10? 20? 50? 100? There comes a point where any offer is too good to refuse, if someone is willing to pay it.
    £7.5m anything less than that isn't worth iy
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,919
    Dazzler21 said:
    killerandflash said:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Byrne_(footballer)

    Fairly uninspiring playing history. Might be one for the future, but hardly someone to go straight into the team now
     See Macaulay Bonne for reference.
    Most players don't jump up so quickly, we've recruited plenty of players from lower league and non league who've flopped or taken a while to adapt

    Nothing wrong with signing such players for the future, but that's surely not our main priority this window

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  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    What I’ll say on Bonne, is he is a perfect early summer signing, who you can work on for a couple of months, and then get him into the team 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,953
    I always wanted us to completely, totally and utterly take away any risk of relegation by going hard and aggressive at this window. 

    Thats how catastrophic relegation would be - and I hope(d) the takeover would allow us to banish all risk with some proper signings. In other words the risk of going down outweighs the risk of ESI getting their wallet out and maybe paying a bit over the odds.

    In our position it’s a sellers market and we will just need to swallow that. 

    The end of this week will tell us a lot as to whether the takeover banished any risk of disaster 


  • Valley27000
    Valley27000 Posts: 3,417
    Millwall have spent over £2m.
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet but I’ve seen an article saying we’ve already passed on Pogba as we ‘want a younger centre back with a resale value’


  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
     mart77 said:
    Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet but I’ve seen an article saying we’ve already passed on Pogba as we ‘want a younger centre back with a resale value’


    Surely bowyer knew his age and he was invited to train with us
  • Dizzle
    Dizzle Posts: 5,190
    Todds_right_hook said:
     mart77 said:
    Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet but I’ve seen an article saying we’ve already passed on Pogba as we ‘want a younger centre back with a resale value’


    Surely bowyer knew his age and he was invited to train with us
    I think ‘want a younger centre back with resale value’ is just a let down really for him either not being good enough or not fitting in. 
  • Valley27000
    Valley27000 Posts: 3,417
    Are we shopping at Lidl instead of M&S.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,424
    Dizzle said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
     mart77 said:
    Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet but I’ve seen an article saying we’ve already passed on Pogba as we ‘want a younger centre back with a resale value’


    Surely bowyer knew his age and he was invited to train with us
    I think ‘want a younger centre back with resale value’ is just a let down really for him either not being good enough or not fitting in. 
    I’m sure “the model” MS talks about is around signing young players and using the academy.

    As long as that’s combined with reliable proven players that’s a good thing.

    We got it badly wrong in 15/16 when the bulk of the squad were from the academy or abroad.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,256
    It's a game of poker.

    Or to be more accurate multiple games of poker.

    And yes, the stakes get higher every minute as the end of window approaches.

    But that doesn't just apply to us. It's the same for other clubs, agents and players.

    Will ESI blink?

    Are ESI bluffing?

    Are ESI overplaying a weak hand?

    Or maybe ESI hold all aces?

    F***ed if I know. It's getting tense for sure but we're in the game.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    Valley27000 said:
    Are we shopping at Lidl instead of M&S.
    Depends how late we leave it, M&S usually close at 9pm whereas Lidl close at 10pm.

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,919
    Henry Irving said:
    It's a game of poker.

    Or to be more accurate multiple games of poker.

    And yes, the stakes get higher every minute as the end of window approaches.

    But that doesn't just apply to us. It's the same for other clubs, agents and players.

    Will ESI blink?

    Are ESI bluffing?

    Are ESI overplaying a weak hand?

    Or maybe ESI hold all aces?

    F***ed if I know. It's getting tense for sure but we're in the game.
    It's a game of poker...and end the end of it we're left in our pants!
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,684
    Just hope ESI's 5 year plan will stretch to 8 or even 10 years. Over the last 50 years every time we've been relegated to the 3rd tier it's taken us 3 years to get out. And now there are bigger & better teams than Hartlepool & Accrington down there.  

    Relegation is very much on the cards. We are on the slide & the lack of hardened players that can stop it & turn it around is worrying. Drafting in players from the Irish league or players that have not played competitively in this league wont cut it I'm afraid. For every Gallagher there are Dodoos & Kai Kai's. 
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,227
    Henry Irving said:
    It's a game of poker.

    Or to be more accurate multiple games of poker.

    And yes, the stakes get higher every minute as the end of window approaches.

    But that doesn't just apply to us. It's the same for other clubs, agents and players.

    Will ESI blink?

    Are ESI bluffing?

    Are ESI overplaying a weak hand?

    Or maybe ESI hold all aces?

    F***ed if I know. It's getting tense for sure but we're in the game.
    This. In previous years we've overpaid for Texeira or brought Roger Johnson back, two examples of panic signings amongst others, agents saw us coming every year throughout the RD era as easy pickings. Lets hope those days are over.
  • Charlton_Stu
    Charlton_Stu Posts: 3,871
    golfaddick said:
    Just hope ESI's 5 year plan will stretch to 8 or even 10 years. Over the last 50 years every time we've been relegated to the 3rd tier it's taken us 3 years to get out. And now there are bigger & better teams than Hartlepool & Accrington down there.  

    Relegation is very much on the cards. We are on the slide & the lack of hardened players that can stop it & turn it around is worrying. Drafting in players from the Irish league or players that have not played competitively in this league wont cut it I'm afraid. For every Gallagher there are Dodoos & Kai Kai's. 
    Apart from 1980-81 when we got promoted 1st attempt.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,953
    Henry Irving said:
    It's a game of poker.

    Or to be more accurate multiple games of poker.

    And yes, the stakes get higher every minute as the end of window approaches.

    But that doesn't just apply to us. It's the same for other clubs, agents and players.

    Will ESI blink?

    Are ESI bluffing?

    Are ESI overplaying a weak hand?

    Or maybe ESI hold all aces?

    F***ed if I know. It's getting tense for sure but we're in the game.
    This is correct but the stakes aren’t the same for every club. Some are floating in mid table with nothing at risk and can wait till summer. Some are flirting with the riches of the premier league.

    we are flirting with league one so it can be argued we have less leeway than some others 
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,760
    Sage said:
    Valley27000 said:
    Are we shopping at Lidl instead of M&S.
    Depends how late we leave it, M&S usually close at 9pm whereas Lidl close at 10pm.
    Just been to M and S and got some cracking yellow label bargains, so maybe they know what they’re doing after all by leaving it to the last minute...
  • el-pietro
    el-pietro Posts: 611
    Jack Byrne is an interesting one. Very talented player, always had good pedigree but had difficulty settling in the UK. Has talked at length about how he feels more comfortable back in Ireland being able to see his family regularly again.
    LOI players who dominate in Ireland and then move to Championship have a spotty track record. You have the likes of Kevin Doyle and Shane Long who had great careers, players like Alan Browne who looks like hes ready to step up a division, players like Sean Maguire who is holding his head above water in the Championship but injuries have set him back somewhat.
    Then you get players like Kevin O'Connor, Andy Boyle and Graham Burke who are back in Ireland within a year or two. 
    In lower divisions there are the likes of Chiedoze Ogbene, Kieran Sadlier and Eoin Doyle who are doing very well at L1/L2 level.
    IIt can be a good league to mine as you probably can get good value when you get it right, and they tend to be on shorter contracts as the talented young players know that benefits them in their goal of getting over to England. Most of the players named above went for ~100k or lower.
    From a selfish point of view I hope Shamrock Rovers get no money for Byrne. Fuck the Hooped cunts.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,887
    golfaddick said:
    Just hope ESI's 5 year plan will stretch to 8 or even 10 years. Over the last 50 years every time we've been relegated to the 3rd tier it's taken us 3 years to get out. And now there are bigger & better teams than Hartlepool & Accrington down there.  

    Relegation is very much on the cards. We are on the slide & the lack of hardened players that can stop it & turn it around is worrying. Drafting in players from the Irish league or players that have not played competitively in this league wont cut it I'm afraid. For every Gallagher there are Dodoos & Kai Kai's. 
    Accrington are in the third tier
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,338
    MS is reminding me of the Sunderland CEO in the Netflix series. He had his fancy clobber, Range Rover and espresso machine but could not get any signings over the line. Funnily enough they signed Johnny Williams on loan but he got injured and they got relegated !

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