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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)
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I think we all need to get over this idea that LB and MS are somehow gaming the press in a grand scheme.king addick said:Is Bowyer playing the cards close to his chest? If we let on we have shit loads of money then whats to stop any other parties we are dealing with asking for more? Agents and clubs in this case.0 -
Favours are loan deals. Also do we know exactly when these quotes were made ....... if it was a few days ago then that would sort of make sense.
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Maybe I am on my own here, but I think Lee Bowyer's comments show him in very good light.
I will admit that I have not been a fan of Bowyer's since his early playing days and wasn't keen on the leadership of the playing side of the club being given to him. But he's absolutely won me round. As a Manager, he's proving exceptional. And I don't think the comments he's been quoted as saying take any of the shine off that.
As fans, we might want to hear him saying stuff like "we've made offers for several players that have been accepted and I have met the players concerned who are all very keen to join the club. We are hoping to complete the deals in the next 24-48 hours". But, as we know, that's not going to happen. Bowyer is very calmly and carefully setting expectations.
He's setting expectations to fans, who he wants to keep onside when we sign one or two players, and not four or five.
He's setting expectations to clubs we are in negotiation with, who he wants to understand that we are not splashing seven-figure, up-front offers to.
He's setting expectations to potential outgoing players, who he wants to understand that no player will be transferred out of Charlton unless Bowyer himself is ok with it.
And, probably most importantly, he's setting expectations to the Chairman, who he wants to understand that getting the quality and size of the squad right is the most important function of the Chairman (even if the Chairman thinks otherwise).
I think, with this set of quotes, Bowyer has achieved all of that, with quiet subtlety. He knows what he's doing. What he's said is encouraging and makes me think even more, that the playing side of the club is even safer in his hands.16 -
I have been on here nearly 5 years and take the usual banter, that's why I was surprised with you using my quote and digging me out. I just want your opinion now on Lee's comments. If you don't have a comment fair enough, and we move on.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Leave it out fella. We all want the best for our club. Sniping at fellow fans on forums is not constructive.soapboxsam said:Would @NL_Addick and @RodneyCharltonTrotta like to reply to Our Manager's latest words or is he just a bed wetter !
Come back @MuttleyCAFC your fears and mine from early this month are coming to fruition.
My comment in response to your little pop has obviously riled you for some reason but just let it go mate as no offence at you was meant when it was posted off the cuff.0 -
the worrying thing for MS is that if he dont delivery a decent window that bumper crowd on Saturday could easily get twitchy if the result does not come and the good will and feel good factor he was gifted from being the person to remove Roland will be gone and he and ESI will be on the back foot a bit with the fans.1
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Then expect league one football next seasonroseandcrown said:
or not willing to give money this window or for only for players that fit the mould of young to be sold on at a profit?Bedsaddick said:Reading that article from Bows I can only conclude that ESI have no money . Why else would he say we are relying on favours?1 -
I know, my comment was aimed at MSTalal said:
It wasn't a dig at Gallen, quite the opposite. Just seems he was able to get more done when it was just him doing transfers and not MS as well. Obviously I don't know the whole picture though.CharltonByBlood said:
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flyingkiwiDK said:
Of course ESI have money. They just paid £50 mill for our football club!Bedsaddick said:Reading that article from Bows I can only conclude that ESI have no money . Why else would he say we are relying on favours?
My take on it is that Agents know this and are asking silly money for their players hence we’ve now turned our attention to the loan market. That plus the fact that our current position in the Championship is putting players off joining us.But did they though?0 -
Matt Southall, you have piss on your hands here12
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Chizz said:Maybe I am on my own here, but I think Lee Bowyer's comments show him in very good light.
I will admit that I have not been a fan of Bowyer's since his early playing days and wasn't keen on the leadership of the playing side of the club being given to him. But he's absolutely won me round. As a Manager, he's proving exceptional. And I don't think the comments he's been quoted as saying take any of the shine off that.
As fans, we might want to hear him saying stuff like "we've made offers for several players that have been accepted and I have met the players concerned who are all very keen to join the club. We are hoping to complete the deals in the next 24-48 hours". But, as we know, that's not going to happen. Bowyer is very calmly and carefully setting expectations.
He's setting expectations to fans, who he wants to keep onside when we sign one or two players, and not four or five.
He's setting expectations to clubs we are in negotiation with, who he wants to understand that we are not splashing seven-figure, up-front offers to.
He's setting expectations to potential outgoing players, who he wants to understand that no player will be transferred out of Charlton unless Bowyer himself is ok with it.
And, probably most importantly, he's setting expectations to the Chairman, who he wants to understand that getting the quality and size of the squad right is the most important function of the Chairman (even if the Chairman thinks otherwise).
I think, with this set of quotes, Bowyer has achieved all of that, with quiet subtlety. He knows what he's doing. What he's said is encouraging and makes me think even more, that the playing side of the club is even safer in his hands.
Love the analysis and if its true then Bowyer is playing a blinder
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Brilliant!Braziliance said:Matt Southall, you have piss on your hands here
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Southall used to have a directorship at a hair dressing and beauty business, 'Live Lusso Aesthetics', the company was dissolved in April 2019.. ((:>) … https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10700280mendonca said:Do we know WHO Matt Southall used to be a footie agent for? Let's also remember he is new to this role and acting an agent rather than a CEO could be what Bows is hinting at.
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Nothing to worry about, keep the faith.
Pleased with the window so far as we have got Bows. Green a bonus. Judge them 31st December.11 -
You are taking it too personally. Wasn't a dig at you. Was meant to be a humorous off the cuff comment on the general pessimism in response to your comment at those maintaining a position of optimism.soapboxsam said:
I have been on here nearly 5 years and take the usual banter, that's why I was surprised with you using my quote and digging me out. I just want your opinion now on Lee's comments. If you don't have a comment fair enough, and we move on.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Leave it out fella. We all want the best for our club. Sniping at fellow fans on forums is not constructive.soapboxsam said:Would @NL_Addick and @RodneyCharltonTrotta like to reply to Our Manager's latest words or is he just a bed wetter !
Come back @MuttleyCAFC your fears and mine from early this month are coming to fruition.
My comment in response to your little pop has obviously riled you for some reason but just let it go mate as no offence at you was meant when it was posted off the cuff.
Will see what unfolds and deal with facts. If that ultimately changes my position so be it.
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Redrobo said:Nothing to worry about, keep the faith.
Pleased with the window so far as we have got Bows. Green a bonus. Judge them 31st December.
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My take on the "haven't bid £1m" statement is that we haven't bid £1m for a player. JCH is probably just below that and/or instalments. Maddison has a few months left on his contract so we probably offered £750k or something
The comment about favours could quite easily be that we are looking to bring players in that the manager doesn't want to part with - and we need them to do us a favour and let the player join.
There could also be a bit of gamesmanship here from Bowyer because we are still being quoted silly figures for players we want to sign
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I think he is taking a gamble for sure. I think he is very confident we will not go down with the players come back but we are at this stage weaker than the start of the season and a lose on Saturday could really turn the place negative for fans and players.Bedsaddick said:
Then expect league one football next seasonroseandcrown said:
or not willing to give money this window or for only for players that fit the mould of young to be sold on at a profit?Bedsaddick said:Reading that article from Bows I can only conclude that ESI have no money . Why else would he say we are relying on favours?
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Huge step up for Doherty if he arrives.0
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51304886
Rangers ''possibly'' need to sign a striker after Defoe got injured last night... literally a week after they announced his permanent signing, how unlucky.
Will they go in for Lyle?
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We “haven’t bid £1m for a player” but we have bid £4m for one!Swisdom said:My take on the "haven't bid £1m" statement is that we haven't bid £1m for a player. JCH is probably just below that and/or instalments. Maddison has a few months left on his contract so we probably offered £750k or something
The comment about favours could quite easily be that we are looking to bring players in that the manager doesn't want to part with - and we need them to do us a favour and let the player join.
There could also be a bit of gamesmanship here from Bowyer because we are still being quoted silly figures for players we want to sign
time will tell
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he played in league one last year and performed very well by all accounts. In that respect no different to Phillips, Lockyer, Taylor, Cullen etc who stepped up and less of a step than Bonne and the youngster who have had to come in.mid_life_crisis said:Huge step up for Doherty if he arrives.3 -
None of us were thinking three weeks ago that 30 hours from the widow shutting we would have lost Gallagher and a Kayal and replaced with Andre Green who I doubt any of us had heard of and the players that we are being linked with are favours and unknowns. If this doesn’t ring alarm bells even with the rose tinted brigade then I don’t know what will. I don’t think anything about this takeover is what we thought.5
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Was he not best mates with Kieron Richardson and got into being an agent that way. As I said would be interesting to find out what players he representedLincsaddick said:
Southall used to have a directorship at a hair dressing and beauty business, 'Live Lusso Aesthetics', the company was dissolved in April 2019.. ((:>) … https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10700280mendonca said:Do we know WHO Matt Southall used to be a footie agent for? Let's also remember he is new to this role and acting an agent rather than a CEO could be what Bows is hinting at.1 -
I’m going to have a guess at:robroy said:
Was he not best mates with Kieron Richardson and got into being an agent that way. As I said would be interesting to find out what players he representedLincsaddick said:
Southall used to have a directorship at a hair dressing and beauty business, 'Live Lusso Aesthetics', the company was dissolved in April 2019.. ((:>) … https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10700280mendonca said:Do we know WHO Matt Southall used to be a footie agent for? Let's also remember he is new to this role and acting an agent rather than a CEO could be what Bows is hinting at.
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Lee Bowyer would have said to Chairman Matt, let Lyle walk at the end of the season if you can't come to an agreement. Southall said to Lee and the fans," Lyle only leaves if we get silly money." The offer may be as low as 2 million ? Was @Redhenry correct when he said the offer made to Taylor was short of 10k a week. As Red Henry was the first person on CL to know about the Duchatelet call in person to Bowyer, his take on this would be interesting.0
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It's the fact that only Sunderland seem to be after him which worries me. If we're competing against a L1 side for a loan signing that does suggest his current levelroseandcrown said:
he played in league one last year and performed very well by all accounts. In that respect no different to Phillips, Lockyer, Taylor, Cullen etc who stepped up and less of a step than Bonne and the youngster who have had to come in.mid_life_crisis said:Huge step up for Doherty if he arrives.0 -
I THINK he worked for an agency. I don't think he was an agent in the sense that most people assume.robroy said:
Was he not best mates with Kieron Richardson and got into being an agent that way. As I said would be interesting to find out what players he representedLincsaddick said:
Southall used to have a directorship at a hair dressing and beauty business, 'Live Lusso Aesthetics', the company was dissolved in April 2019.. ((:>) … https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10700280mendonca said:Do we know WHO Matt Southall used to be a footie agent for? Let's also remember he is new to this role and acting an agent rather than a CEO could be what Bows is hinting at.
He worked with/for Kia Joorabchian, I don't think he had his own stable of players.4 -
Fit and proper test demands evidence of funds and to purchase and run a club.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Any evidence so far they actually have cash?roseandcrown said:
or not willing to give money this window or for only for players that fit the mould of young to be sold on at a profit?Bedsaddick said:Reading that article from Bows I can only conclude that ESI have no money . Why else would he say we are relying on favours?
But that doesn't mean they'll be willing to spunk it all away.4
