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king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'll add you to the "sensible" list, top notch
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Bloody hell, league 1 player on £30k a week. Conor Gallagher a 19yr old on the same.
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So will I.JaysusTheJay said:king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'll add you to the "sensible" list, top notch0 -
Agree with this, the alternative may say you spend your way out of the next division... Then you look at Fulham spending £100m+ in the 18/19 pre-season and they're still not the best side in the league, far from it.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.0 -
I think if it was certain that we would go down, I'd agree with the idea of short term signings in the hope of survival, but it's not.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'd run the risk of spending the cost of relegation now. i.e it reportedly costs a team £5m-£9m to get relegated to league one in terms of gate receipts, commerical value, tv money etc etc.
I'd say it's a better calculated risk to spend that money now and hope it keeps us up, than recruit the loans we've gone for go down (not saying that will happen, but the first XI hasn't necessarily been improved much at all by these new recruits). It's much easier to recruit better players whilst in the championship and whilst survival is in our own hands.
We had the best side in league one for three seasons imo and only scraped up via the playoffs. It's not an easy league to get out of. I don't want to go back there.
Ultimately, if we stay up I couldn't care how we did it, so I hope we've got enough in.3 -
See my comment regarding Fulham.BenHaimandBikey said:
I think if it was certain that we would go down, I'd agree with the idea of short term signings in the hope of survival, but it's not.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'd run the risk of spending the cost of relegation now. i.e it reportedly costs a team £5m-£9m to get relegated to league one in terms of gate receipts, commerical value, tv money etc etc.
I'd say it's a better calculated risk to spend that money now and hope it keeps us up, than recruit the loans we've gone for go down (not saying that will happen, but the first XI hasn't necessarily been improved much at all by these new recruits). It's much easier to recruit better players whilst in the championship and whilst survival is in our own hands.
We had the best side in league one for three seasons imo and only scraped up via the playoffs. It's not an easy league to get out of. I don't want to go back there.
Ultimately, if we stay up I couldn't care how we did it, so I hope we've got enough in.
They spent £100m and didn't bounce straight back to the premier.
Why would spending £10m half way through a season guarantee we'd stay up?
The owner would be risking a spend of:
£50m for the club
£10m on players
£10m on relegation
£xm on players to bounce back
£xm on the training ground and stadium free hold.
They could easily be £70-100m out of pocket before next season even starts, hardly a sensible approach.
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Apparently, your understanding isn't quite right, @Weegie Addick.Weegie Addick said:
My understanding is that Mc is followed by a capital whereas Mac is followed by lower case.guinnessaddick said:Glad to see his name has been to having a capital G. Nothing worse than people spelling you surname, M(a)c and having it a small letter on the second part of your surname.
Mc and Mac both mean 'son of', so if the next part of the name is the father's name, as is common, it would have a capital too, as in MacDonald/McDonald.
However, rather than using the father's name, some names include instead the father's profession, in which case there is no second capitalisation, eg Macmaster.
The things you learn from the internet on a slow dull train journey...
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I have been watching Sunderland til I die which is excellent and they had one lad not playing who was on a long term contract at 60K per week when they went down to League 1.
I think we are too far in the other direction and the weak squad puts too much pressure on Bowyer's motivational skills in a relegation dog fight.
Our spirit will probably keep us up but the squad is significantly weaker than when we had Bauer Bielik, Grant and Aribo in League 1 and it could all go pear shaped with a few bad results and some injuries.2 -
That's not the only option though, is it? It's not spend next to nothing or spend Fulham levels or money. There's an absolutely massive gap between those two options that Charlton could have operated in.Dazzler21 said:
See my comment regarding Fulham.BenHaimandBikey said:
I think if it was certain that we would go down, I'd agree with the idea of short term signings in the hope of survival, but it's not.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'd run the risk of spending the cost of relegation now. i.e it reportedly costs a team £5m-£9m to get relegated to league one in terms of gate receipts, commerical value, tv money etc etc.
I'd say it's a better calculated risk to spend that money now and hope it keeps us up, than recruit the loans we've gone for go down (not saying that will happen, but the first XI hasn't necessarily been improved much at all by these new recruits). It's much easier to recruit better players whilst in the championship and whilst survival is in our own hands.
We had the best side in league one for three seasons imo and only scraped up via the playoffs. It's not an easy league to get out of. I don't want to go back there.
Ultimately, if we stay up I couldn't care how we did it, so I hope we've got enough in.
They spent £100m and didn't bounce straight back to the premier.
Why would spending £10m half way through a season guarantee we'd stay up?
The owner would be risking a spend of:
£50m for the club
£10m on players
£10m on relegation
£xm on players to bounce back
£xm on the training ground and stadium free hold.
They could easily be £70-100m out of pocket before next season even starts, hardly a sensible approach.
MS told a story of how there was a midfielder who the club wanted, but then asked for an extra 1k a week upon nearing completion. So they've turned down a player to improve us at a cost of £52k a year (it could all have been a made up story anyway). But if you've identified a target and you're worried about $52k when it costs £5m-10m to go down, you're doing it wrong.
£10m doesn't guarantee it, but if you can't spend £10m either in wages or fees and improve your chances of survival you're not very good at your job. You only have to look at Brentford to show where smart transfer business can get you. (The scouting setup etc probably leaves a lot to be desired at this point, so I can't really blame them for that as you can't fix that within a few weeks)
If you think they've spent £50m on the club you're completely mistaken I'd say it's much closer to £0 than £50m. The value of the club is in the freeholds and "you know who" still owns that.
BUT, BUT, BUT. If they stay up, I don't care how they did it and I will praise everyone involved in the club because doing it on this budget, with this squad would be a ginormous achievement.1 -
Thanks, Weegie ...... never occurred to me.Weegie Addick said:
My understanding is that Mc is followed by a capital whereas Mac is followed by lower case.guinnessaddick said:Glad to see his name has been to having a capital G. Nothing worse than people spelling you surname, M(a)c and having it a small letter on the second part of your surname.
The things that you learn that you didn't know you needed to learn.
PS: And then I find IdleHans post.
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But they were Premier League wages paid by Premier League clubs.robroy said:Bloody hell, league 1 player on £30k a week. Conor Gallagher a 19yr old on the same.
The game's gone mad
In Sunderland's case they dropped from the Prem to League One with successive relegations - and still had some players on existing Prem contracts to which they were committed.
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Which they are under obligation to complete the purchase of at the end of the season, 1st June or July was it?BenHaimandBikey said:
That's not the only option though, is it? It's not spend next to nothing or spend Fulham levels or money. There's an absolutely massive gap between those two options that Charlton could have operated in.Dazzler21 said:
See my comment regarding Fulham.BenHaimandBikey said:
I think if it was certain that we would go down, I'd agree with the idea of short term signings in the hope of survival, but it's not.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'd run the risk of spending the cost of relegation now. i.e it reportedly costs a team £5m-£9m to get relegated to league one in terms of gate receipts, commerical value, tv money etc etc.
I'd say it's a better calculated risk to spend that money now and hope it keeps us up, than recruit the loans we've gone for go down (not saying that will happen, but the first XI hasn't necessarily been improved much at all by these new recruits). It's much easier to recruit better players whilst in the championship and whilst survival is in our own hands.
We had the best side in league one for three seasons imo and only scraped up via the playoffs. It's not an easy league to get out of. I don't want to go back there.
Ultimately, if we stay up I couldn't care how we did it, so I hope we've got enough in.
They spent £100m and didn't bounce straight back to the premier.
Why would spending £10m half way through a season guarantee we'd stay up?
The owner would be risking a spend of:
£50m for the club
£10m on players
£10m on relegation
£xm on players to bounce back
£xm on the training ground and stadium free hold.
They could easily be £70-100m out of pocket before next season even starts, hardly a sensible approach.
MS told a story of how there was a midfielder who the club wanted, but then asked for an extra 1k a week upon nearing completion. So they've turned down a player to improve us at a cost of £52k a year (it could all have been a made up story anyway). But if you've identified a target and you're worried about $52k when it costs £5m-10m to go down, you're doing it wrong.
£10m doesn't guarantee it, but if you can't spend £10m either in wages or fees and improve your chances of survival you're not very good at your job. You only have to look at Brentford to show where smart transfer business can get you. (The scouting setup etc probably leaves a lot to be desired at this point, so I can't really blame them for that as you can't fix that within a few weeks)
If you think they've spent £50m on the club you're completely mistaken I'd say it's much closer to £0 than £50m. The value of the club is in the freeholds and "you know who" still owns that.
BUT, BUT, BUT. If they stay up, I don't care how they did it and I will praise everyone involved in the club because doing it on this budget, with this squad would be a ginormous achievement.
R.e the extra £1k a week
If we decided our absolute top earners will not exceed £15k a week and a player demands £16k a week, that undermines the wage structure. Given Bowyer and Gallen were apparently consulted and stated they didn't think the player was worth that price, I wouldn't break that rule for anyone.
When the structure is reviewed and changed then fine.
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I don't think anyone was expecting or wanting to us to splash loads of cash in January. At the same time though we do need to stay up first, so there is a balancing act to be struck. It's certainly not a done deal that we will stay up, it will be a dogfight for the rest of the season.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
If we go down by 1 point, there may be regret that we didn't perhaps spend a bit more in January IF the new owners do have money to spend, which we have to assume...0 -
McGeady signed for Sunderland when they got relegated though. I'm not being pedantic, my point is that even in the Championship there is some crazy wages flying about.Oggy Red said:
But they were Premier League wages paid by Premier League clubs.robroy said:Bloody hell, league 1 player on £30k a week. Conor Gallagher a 19yr old on the same.
The game's gone mad
In Sunderland's case they dropped from the Prem to League One with successive relegations - and still had some players on existing Prem contracts to which they were committed.
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Rodwell wasn't it?grumpyaddick said:I have been watching Sunderland til I die which is excellent and they had one lad not playing who was on a long term contract at 60K per week when they went down to League 1.
I think we are too far in the other direction and the weak squad puts too much pressure on Bowyer's motivational skills in a relegation dog fight.
Our spirit will probably keep us up but the squad is significantly weaker than when we had Bauer Bielik, Grant and Aribo in League 1 and it could all go pear shaped with a few bad results and some injuries.
That whole situation showed one of the negatives of the modern game.0 -
Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k1 -
Surely Maddison ?Henry Irving said:Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k0 -
Could be but Posh chairman had already said he wouldn't change our deal.Covered End said:
Surely Maddison ?Henry Irving said:Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k0 -
Wonder if there's a Macpornstar anywhere out there.IdleHans said:
Apparently, your understanding isn't quite right, @Weegie Addick.Weegie Addick said:
My understanding is that Mc is followed by a capital whereas Mac is followed by lower case.guinnessaddick said:Glad to see his name has been to having a capital G. Nothing worse than people spelling you surname, M(a)c and having it a small letter on the second part of your surname.
Mc and Mac both mean 'son of', so if the next part of the name is the father's name, as is common, it would have a capital too, as in MacDonald/McDonald.
However, rather than using the father's name, some names include instead the father's profession, in which case there is no second capitalisation, eg Macmaster.
The things you learn from the internet on a slow dull train journey...1 -
That's the fella. What happened to him ?Covered End said:
Surely Maddison ?Henry Irving said:Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k0 - Sponsored links:
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Sorry that went wrong.carly burn said:
Rodwell wasn't it?grumpyaddick said:I have been watching Sunderland til I die which is excellent and they had one lad not playing who was on a long term contract at 60K per week when they went down to League 1.
I think we are too far in the other direction and the weak squad puts too much pressure on Bowyer's motivational skills in a relegation dog fight.
Our spirit will probably keep us up but the squad is significantly weaker than when we had Bauer Bielik, Grant and Aribo in League 1 and it could all go pear shaped with a few bad results and some injuries.
That whole situation showed one of the negatives of the modern game.
Rodwell was the bloke on 60k per week but too busy to play football.
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Bostock?Henry Irving said:Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k
Didn't Forest agree to pay the remainder of his wages?0 -
No one bought Maddison (which is why I think we could have got him for a quarter of the original ask price).
Eventually he went on loan to Hull until the end of the season, no doubt they paid a loan fee.
Peterborough wanted £2M & got a loan fee of £500K (approximately).It was reported that Rodwell asked to leave Sunderland in January 2018 after not making an appearance for the first team since September 2017.[34] When asked in April 2018, after Sunderland were relegated for a second successive season, manager Chris Coleman said he did not know where the midfielder was mentally.[35] His contract with the club was terminated by the club on 27 June 2018.[36]
Blackburn Rovers[edit]
Rodwell signed for Championship club Blackburn Rovers on 23 August 2018 on a one-year deal, lasting until the end of the 2018–19 season.[37] He made 21 appearances for the club but left the club upon the expiration of his contract, despite being offered a new deal.[38]
After leaving Blackburn, Rodwell was linked with a transfer to Italian side Roma, but was ultimately not offered a contract.[39][40][41]
Sheffield United[edit]
On 3 January 2020, Rodwell signed for Premier League club Sheffield United on a contract until the end of the season. He had been training with the team since December 2019.[42][43]0 -
Unlikely as he was only on loan at Forest.Richard J said:
Bostock?Henry Irving said:Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k
Didn't Forest agree to pay the remainder of his wages?0 -
Anyone else find it odd that Lee Amis is commenting on signings? what exactly is his role at the club?Henry Irving said:Lee Amis said at the meet and greet that they hoped to sign a player at the end of the window for a quarter of what they had been quoted at the beginning.
Whether that was McGeady or A N Other I've no idea but maybe the £10k became £2.5k3 -
Ah and I learn something new every day too!IdleHans said:
Apparently, your understanding isn't quite right, @Weegie Addick.Weegie Addick said:
My understanding is that Mc is followed by a capital whereas Mac is followed by lower case.guinnessaddick said:Glad to see his name has been to having a capital G. Nothing worse than people spelling you surname, M(a)c and having it a small letter on the second part of your surname.
Mc and Mac both mean 'son of', so if the next part of the name is the father's name, as is common, it would have a capital too, as in MacDonald/McDonald.
However, rather than using the father's name, some names include instead the father's profession, in which case there is no second capitalisation, eg Macmaster.
The things you learn from the internet on a slow dull train journey...
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I'd imagine turning down the guy who wanted £1k a week was more about his agent moving the goal posts, rather than his worth as a player. More him not fitting the Bows ethos.4
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£5-£9mill plus the wages for the more expensive players with no guarantee of being able to sell them.BenHaimandBikey said:
I think if it was certain that we would go down, I'd agree with the idea of short term signings in the hope of survival, but it's not.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'd run the risk of spending the cost of relegation now. i.e it reportedly costs a team £5m-£9m to get relegated to league one in terms of gate receipts, commerical value, tv money etc etc.
I'd say it's a better calculated risk to spend that money now and hope it keeps us up, than recruit the loans we've gone for go down (not saying that will happen, but the first XI hasn't necessarily been improved much at all by these new recruits). It's much easier to recruit better players whilst in the championship and whilst survival is in our own hands.
We had the best side in league one for three seasons imo and only scraped up via the playoffs. It's not an easy league to get out of. I don't want to go back there.
Ultimately, if we stay up I couldn't care how we did it, so I hope we've got enough in.
Dont sell them and it affects the promotion push due to half arsed performances. We cant buy new players more suited to the league because we still have the more expensive players on the books. January would be shit because the better players go late with no time to replace them.
Gallen and Bowyer and now Southall have a process....Hungry youngster (Smith) Nasty bastard CM to drag us through the gritty games (David Davis) and a player who can change games at the drop of a hat (McGeady).
Careful planning is the way forward...not gung ho and ending up like QPR.4 -
Fact is what happens at the end of the season will be the judge of the January window. Stay up and they nailed it and will have set ourselves up for hopefully a better summer.king addick said:
£5-£9mill plus the wages for the more expensive players with no guarantee of being able to sell them.BenHaimandBikey said:
I think if it was certain that we would go down, I'd agree with the idea of short term signings in the hope of survival, but it's not.king addick said:Whats the point in spending massive in January with the threat of relegation still about? We could get big players in on big money and have them playing in L1. That really wouldnt make sense.
Whereas now we can get players short term (Talented youngsters & experienced pros) to see us over the line because the squad, when fit, is more than capable of staying in the league.
Survive the season first, see where the squads at then spend the money to get the players in that we need.
I'd run the risk of spending the cost of relegation now. i.e it reportedly costs a team £5m-£9m to get relegated to league one in terms of gate receipts, commerical value, tv money etc etc.
I'd say it's a better calculated risk to spend that money now and hope it keeps us up, than recruit the loans we've gone for go down (not saying that will happen, but the first XI hasn't necessarily been improved much at all by these new recruits). It's much easier to recruit better players whilst in the championship and whilst survival is in our own hands.
We had the best side in league one for three seasons imo and only scraped up via the playoffs. It's not an easy league to get out of. I don't want to go back there.
Ultimately, if we stay up I couldn't care how we did it, so I hope we've got enough in.
Dont sell them and it affects the promotion push due to half arsed performances. We cant buy new players more suited to the league because we still have the more expensive players on the books. January would be shit because the better players go late with no time to replace them.
Gallen and Bowyer and now Southall have a process....Hungry youngster (Smith) Nasty bastard CM to drag us through the gritty games (David Davis) and a player who can change games at the drop of a hat (McGeady).
Careful planning is the way forward...not gung ho and ending up like QPR.
Go down and we didn’t do enough and we will regrets not doing more to fight it off.
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grumpyaddick said:
Sorry that went wrong.carly burn said:
Rodwell wasn't it?grumpyaddick said:I have been watching Sunderland til I die which is excellent and they had one lad not playing who was on a long term contract at 60K per week when they went down to League 1.
I think we are too far in the other direction and the weak squad puts too much pressure on Bowyer's motivational skills in a relegation dog fight.
Our spirit will probably keep us up but the squad is significantly weaker than when we had Bauer Bielik, Grant and Aribo in League 1 and it could all go pear shaped with a few bad results and some injuries.
That whole situation showed one of the negatives of the modern game.
Rodwell was the bloke on 60k per week but too busy to play football.
What happened to him ?
I'm sure he went public at one point tweeting that the only reason he wasn't playing is because they couldn't afford to pay him match bonus/win bonus etc so he had offered to tear up the contract and walk away. Sunderland then tweeted him back saying something along the lines of
actually you said if we pay your contract up IN FULL you'd walk away and your not playing because your an arsehole1
