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The English Game - Netflix

Henry Irving
Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
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Dramatisation of 1880s football and the clash between upper class amateurs and working class professionals.

Series on Netflix now.

For anyone watching Lord Kinnaird has a blue plaque in Bromley.
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  • Rossman92
    Rossman92 Posts: 3,655
    Started it this morning, enjoying it so far. Even in the infancy of the game, a town was nothing without its football club. 

    2 hour break to watch the 98 final and then back to it
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Downtown Abby meets Peaky Blinders meets Match Of The Day.

    It's the show that no one asked for!
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    Three times you've made that joke now.
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Henry Irving said:
    Three times you've made that joke now.
    I was consolidating the threads.
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,693
    Henry Irving said:
    Dramatisation of 1880s football and the clash between upper class amateurs and working class professionals.

    Series on Netflix now.

    For anyone watching Lord Kinnaird has a blue plaque in Bromley.
    As a matter of interest Henry where is that plaque? 

    The Kinnaird family once owned the school that I left 50 years ago.  I note that Kinnaird Avenue skirts one of the school's boundaries. 

    The building was originally known as Plaistow Lodge but became Quernmore school.  It had some rather grand times before (alas) becoming the rough house secondary modern that I attended.  I believe it is a junior school now.

    https://www.bblhs.org.uk/plaistow-lodge-and-lord-kinnaird
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    edited March 2020
    Having checked it seems I was wrong and there is no blue plaque, which is a shame.

    I must have confused it with this one.

    https://www.bromley.gov.uk/directory_record/276614/prince_pyotr_peter_alekseyevich_kropotkin_1842-1921
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    Henry Irving said:
    Having checked it seems I was wrong and there is no blue plaque, which is a shame.

    I must have confused it with this one.

    https://www.bromley.gov.uk/directory_record/276614/prince_pyotr_peter_alekseyevich_kropotkin_1842-1921
    They are virtually indistinguishable in their chosen interests, so easy mistake to make!

    (I had to look Kinnaird up though).
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,205
    Damn you Kropotkin!!
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    I think the story could have been told in two or three episodes. There was a lot of tripe to wade though.
    Also I thought some of the script, casting and acting was atrocious.
    It's very difficult to 'act' playing football, I cannot think of many films where it has looked natural.

    I'd be interested to know how much of it is artistic licence? My guess would be most of it.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,853
    PopIcon said:
    I think the story could have been told in two or three episodes. There was a lot of tripe to wade though.
    Also I thought some of the script, casting and acting was atrocious.
    It's very difficult to 'act' playing football, I cannot think of many films where it has looked natural.

    I'd be interested to know how much of it is artistic licence? My guess would be most of it.
    I have to disagree with you there - Escape To Victory was very realistic. In fact, Sly Stallone's performance was worthy of an Oscar.

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  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,832
    Henry Irving said:
    Dramatisation of 1880s football and the clash between upper class amateurs and working class professionals.

    Series on Netflix now.

    For anyone watching Lord Kinnaird has a blue plaque in Bromley.
    Which team was he on?
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,597
    What position did Julian Fellowes play ?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    Kinnaird comes out if it we'll despite being a posho.

    I enjoyed it as a drama. Only six episodes and it was as much about class and family than football but it was a crucial time in soccer history when our game could have split in the way rugby did into amateur mainly southern teams and professional mainly northern teams.  The Football League comes five years later.  Football nearly split again in the early 20th century on the same amateur v professional lines.

    Some of the historical timeline was moved around to make a better story but it was largely factual in terms of the football as far as my limited knowledge can tell.

    The one glaring and deliberate gap was which team does Suter play for when he leaves Darwen.


  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,370
    Proper Catherine Cookson stuff that.


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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    ads said:
    Brideshead Revisited for blokes
    Brideshead is very much a "blokes" book and TV series.

    One of, if not my favourite books and TV series ever.

    Have you read or seen either?
  • FSLN1
    FSLN1 Posts: 263
    grumpyaddick said:
    What position did Julian Fellowes play ?

    Being a Tory, he was on the right-wing.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,165
    Henry Irving said:
    Kinnaird comes out if it we'll despite being a posho.

    I enjoyed it as a drama. Only six episodes and it was as much about class and family than football but it was a crucial time in soccer history when our game could have split in the way rugby did into amateur mainly southern teams and professional mainly northern teams.  The Football League comes five years later.  Football nearly split again in the early 20th century on the same amateur v professional lines.

    Some of the historical timeline was moved around to make a better story but it was largely factual in terms of the football as far as my limited knowledge can tell.

    The one glaring and deliberate gap was which team does Suter play for when he leaves Darwen.


    I read this one - He really played for Blackburn Rovers, but Olympic won the cup in 1883. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    Algarveaddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Kinnaird comes out if it we'll despite being a posho.

    I enjoyed it as a drama. Only six episodes and it was as much about class and family than football but it was a crucial time in soccer history when our game could have split in the way rugby did into amateur mainly southern teams and professional mainly northern teams.  The Football League comes five years later.  Football nearly split again in the early 20th century on the same amateur v professional lines.

    Some of the historical timeline was moved around to make a better story but it was largely factual in terms of the football as far as my limited knowledge can tell.

    The one glaring and deliberate gap was which team does Suter play for when he leaves Darwen.


    I read this one - He really played for Blackburn Rovers, but Olympic won the cup in 1883. 






    But they just referred to Blackburn Football Club and had signs saying just that.

    Suter did lift the FA Cup but not in the game or for the team shown in the programme.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,700
    Henry Irving said:
    Kinnaird comes out if it we'll despite being a posho.

    I enjoyed it as a drama. Only six episodes and it was as much about class and family than football but it was a crucial time in soccer history when our game could have split in the way rugby did into amateur mainly southern teams and professional mainly northern teams.  The Football League comes five years later.  Football nearly split again in the early 20th century on the same amateur v professional lines.

    Some of the historical timeline was moved around to make a better story but it was largely factual in terms of the football as far as my limited knowledge can tell.

    The one glaring and deliberate gap was which team does Suter play for when he leaves Darwen.


    No wonder it’s on Netflix and not sky, as football wasn’t around before 92’,that’s 1992 & not 1892.

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  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,300
    thought it was brilliant binged it on Saturday. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,814
    any mention of Blackheath in this? 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    edited March 2020
    Rothko said:
    any mention of Blackheath in this? 
    None. It's set in 1879/80 so long after they left the FA in 1872
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,553
    It's pretty terrible, but i shall finish it anyway 
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    cafcsinger said:
    It's pretty terrible, but i shall finish it anyway 
    Same as me. I liked a couple of the characters and parts of the story.
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    FSLN1 said:
    grumpyaddick said:
    What position did Julian Fellowes play ?

    Being a Tory, he was on the right-wing.
    I was going to suggest that Kropotkin played on the left wing but found myself contemplating that the primary inspiration of anarcho-syndicalism is centred on the idea that power corrupts and that any hierarchy that cannot be ethically justified must either be dismantled or replaced by a decentralised egalitarian control.

    Clearly then he is the archetypal British centre forward, a Jeff Astle or Alan Shearer type if you like.
    I believe  that  this is backed up by Kropotkin's conclusions that not all human societies were based on competition as were those of industrialised Europe, and that many societies exhibited cooperation among individuals and groups as the norm.

    So a team player but he liked to take all the penalties and the free kicks that were in and around the penalty box.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,883
    .

  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,883
    Cordoban Addick said:
    FSLN1 said:
    grumpyaddick said:
    What position did Julian Fellowes play ?

    Being a Tory, he was on the right-wing.
    I was going to suggest that Kropotkin played on the left wing but found myself contemplating that the primary inspiration of anarcho-syndicalism is centred on the idea that power corrupts and that any hierarchy that cannot be ethically justified must either be dismantled or replaced by a decentralised egalitarian control.

    Clearly then he is the archetypal British centre forward, a Jeff Astle or Alan Shearer type if you like.
    I believe  that  this is backed up by Kropotkin's conclusions that not all human societies were based on competition as were those of industrialised Europe, and that many societies exhibited cooperation among individuals and groups as the norm.

    So a team player but he liked to take all the penalties and the free kicks that were in and around the penalty box.
    well said..
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    SporadicAddick said:
    Cordoban Addick said:
    FSLN1 said:
    grumpyaddick said:
    What position did Julian Fellowes play ?

    Being a Tory, he was on the right-wing.
    I was going to suggest that Kropotkin played on the left wing but found myself contemplating that the primary inspiration of anarcho-syndicalism is centred on the idea that power corrupts and that any hierarchy that cannot be ethically justified must either be dismantled or replaced by a decentralised egalitarian control.

    Clearly then he is the archetypal British centre forward, a Jeff Astle or Alan Shearer type if you like.
    I believe  that  this is backed up by Kropotkin's conclusions that not all human societies were based on competition as were those of industrialised Europe, and that many societies exhibited cooperation among individuals and groups as the norm.

    So a team player but he liked to take all the penalties and the free kicks that were in and around the penalty box.
    well said..
    Cheers comrade.


  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,255
    Good review here from an early football historian

    https://www.englandsoldestfootballclubs.com/the-english-game-a-review/

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