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Cover to Cover: Gloria

Henry Irving
Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
edited April 2020 in Not Sports Related
The Them 1965 British blues boom original with Van the Man, possibly Britain's greatest male soul singer, Morrison on vocals or the godmother of punk, the divine Patti Smith ripping the song a new one in 1976.

You decide. No other versions come close.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVjceA1WfJU&ved=2ahUKEwjK6YW01tnoAhWUTsAKHSsjDt0QwqsBMAB6BAgDEAU&usg=AOvVaw1eiMnXpKdeRz-mNwiZV9W9


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bPO0bTaWcFQ&ved=2ahUKEwiyv5Te19noAhX0QUEAHXtxB8YQ3ywwAnoECBMQIA&usg=AOvVaw3FpUNvMc7CNze7Cq4NKbz_

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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    Patti Smith's version is very, very good, but .... Van the Man for me.
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    Patti Smith. Horses is a great album. 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Van for me.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,004
    edited April 2020
    most definitely Patti ... still have the 12” version in the garage somewhere 
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    This is the best one yet, can make a case for either and it would be a good one. Patti Smith for me for the pure energy, but that's taking nothing away from Van Morrison.

    (Jimi Hendrix does a good live cover, but not up to this standard)
  • johnny73
    johnny73 Posts: 4,567
    Van the man.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Both as shockingly bad as each other.
    PS someone I know has had business dealings with Van Morrison and he's allegedly not a very nice man.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,791
    Covered End said:
    Both as shockingly bad as each other.
    PS someone I know has had business dealings with Van Morrison and he's allegedly not a very nice man.
    Ms AA saw him in concert many years ago and said he was a miserable bugger who spent all set looking at his watch and buggered off stage as soon as he reasonably good.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,791
    It's a hard choice, the versions are very different in their interpretation.  If I was after some easy listening, it would be Them, if I wanted to be shaken up it would be Patti.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,259
    Covered End said:
    Both as shockingly bad as each other.
    PS someone I know has had business dealings with Van Morrison and he's allegedly not a very nice man.
    He used to drink & i think live in Bangor (up to a few years ago anyway, may still do) & if anyone approached him in the pub even to just say hello they'd receive a mouthful of abuse. Thoroughly obnoxious man so I've been told.
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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,791
    Patti Smith's version is as Patti Smith does. It it unique and she owns it. But it is a Van song and it is the original Them version it is for me probably as much because that is how it was performed, as part of the staple diet of covers, in the school bands I was in some 40 plus years ago now.

  • milo
    milo Posts: 388
    Hendrix version > Patti Smith version > Them version
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    charltonbob said:
    Covered End said:
    Both as shockingly bad as each other.
    PS someone I know has had business dealings with Van Morrison and he's allegedly not a very nice man.
    He used to drink & i think live in Bangor (up to a few years ago anyway, may still do) & if anyone approached him in the pub even to just say hello they'd receive a mouthful of abuse. Thoroughly obnoxious man so I've been told.
    Yes, I was being generous when I said not very nice.
    Thoroughly nasty & obnoxious is closer to what I heard.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,791
    Covered End said:
    charltonbob said:
    Covered End said:
    Both as shockingly bad as each other.
    PS someone I know has had business dealings with Van Morrison and he's allegedly not a very nice man.
    He used to drink & i think live in Bangor (up to a few years ago anyway, may still do) & if anyone approached him in the pub even to just say hello they'd receive a mouthful of abuse. Thoroughly obnoxious man so I've been told.
    Yes, I was being generous when I said not very nice.
    Thoroughly nasty & obnoxious is closer to what I heard.
    Be careful what you say chaps. Even the Irish Times is scared of him:

    Those of us lucky enough never to have met our hero have still heard enough tales about Morrison's unpleasantness to make our newspapers' libel lawyers shudder with fear.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,791
    But then this is what he says about himself anyway:

    "I'm not a nice person. I don't expect anyone to say I'm a nice guy. If somebody says I'm grumpy, I'm a c***, or whatever, that's okay because I don't profess to be an angel. I think I'm a loner."
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    milo said:
    Hendrix version > Patti Smith version > Them version
    Doors version. Only Jim can bring out the seediness of the song. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Covered End said:
    charltonbob said:
    Covered End said:
    Both as shockingly bad as each other.
    PS someone I know has had business dealings with Van Morrison and he's allegedly not a very nice man.
    He used to drink & i think live in Bangor (up to a few years ago anyway, may still do) & if anyone approached him in the pub even to just say hello they'd receive a mouthful of abuse. Thoroughly obnoxious man so I've been told.
    Yes, I was being generous when I said not very nice.
    Thoroughly nasty & obnoxious is closer to what I heard.
    Even denied his long term partner had borne his child.

    Great singer & song writer......but not a nice  man. 
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469

    I think we are suppose to judge the 2 versions not Van Morrison the man.

    Van Morrison for me

  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
    The Doors version is the best. Although I think the two on offer here are brilliant too.
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 5,823
    Patti Smith version. The first line sums up kids apathy with religion in one fell swoop.
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
    God, that Doors version is terrible but so is nearly all their stuff. Such an overrated band.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Henry Irving said:
    God, that Doors version is terrible but so is nearly all their stuff. Such an overrated band.
    Agree. Jim Morrison sound like Vic Reeves doing the club singer
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
    McBobbin said:
    Henry Irving said:
    God, that Doors version is terrible but so is nearly all their stuff. Such an overrated band.
    Agree. Jim Morrison sound like Vic Reeves doing the club singer
    Perfect analogy
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    Henry Irving said:
    God, that Doors version is terrible but so is nearly all their stuff. Such an overrated band.
    Yep agree H.

    For me Them steal the show on this song.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
    Van is a bit like John Martyn, both miserable, nasty drunks, both geniuses.

    Lou Reed, another hero, was another grumpy sod.
  • bristoladdick
    bristoladdick Posts: 1,147
    Doesn't sound grammatically correct, but Them for me.
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,170
    Patti Smith version.  But then I'm a massive PS fan.  Saw her in 76 at Roundhouse and about 7-8 times since.  Was due to see her at Bath festival next month (now cancelled) and have a ticket for Albert Hall concert in November (fingers crossed).  Her stage presence and energy (even in her 70s) is amazing.
  • RodneysMiddleName
    RodneysMiddleName Posts: 219
    Patti Smith for me. Loved it when it first came out.
  • john
    john Posts: 39
    101er's did a great version
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,720
    i go with Them 

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