Lee Bowyer on Talksport very soon

Thanks for that @clive caught it just as it was starting.

Bow saying there’s no way we can finish the season on a PPG system. It would ruin our club and bring us back to square one when he first walked back into the club.

Said he has had no contact or guidance from ownership. It’s only Parkes speaking to the EFL everyday and then the heads of each department. Basically saying what we all knew, it’s the hard working and loyal staff holding our club together.

Wants the season to finish if possible and believes a July restart is more realistic. Of course, contracts dependent as we couldn’t afford to lose any of our players either.

It’s wrong and not fair if they don’t let the season play to a finish but decide to do something else. No one would be happy.

in my opinion it either has to finish or be void.....if we have to wait until Sept / Oct (or later) to finish and then scrap the 20/21 season then so be it

Addick Addict said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with LB when he says "Fairest way is halfway through season so it's judged when everyone played each other once". That is no fairer than taking it after 37 games have been played.

If we can't finish the season then it should be voided with no relegation and no promotion. It is a 46 match season. Not 23 and not 37. To decide it any other way is simply ridiculous.

I agree, we might have played say West Brom away whilst Luton have played West Brom at home. How is that equal.

Ferryman said:

LargeAddick said:

Addick Addict said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with LB when he says "Fairest way is halfway through season so it's judged when everyone played each other once". That is no fairer than taking it after 37 games have been played.

If we can't finish the season then it should be voided with no relegation and no promotion. It is a 46 match season. Not 23 and not 37. To decide it any other way is simply ridiculous.

I agree, we might have played say West Brom away whilst Luton have played West Brom at home. How is that equal.

But we've played Leeds at home while others have played them away. 

Exactly... Thats why a season is over 46-games rather than 23-games

Means that no team has a single advantage over the other in terms of any games played and is why its only fair that titles | promotion | relegation should be decided once all games have been played

e.g. You can also add that we'd played Barnsley | Luton | Wigan away

Ferryman said:

LargeAddick said:

Addick Addict said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with LB when he says "Fairest way is halfway through season so it's judged when everyone played each other once". That is no fairer than taking it after 37 games have been played.

If we can't finish the season then it should be voided with no relegation and no promotion. It is a 46 match season. Not 23 and not 37. To decide it any other way is simply ridiculous.

I agree, we might have played say West Brom away whilst Luton have played West Brom at home. How is that equal.

But we've played Leeds at home while others have played them away. 

But half the teams would have played one more home than away. And home advantage for that one game could well be the difference between being relegated or not.

Addick Addict said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with LB when he says "Fairest way is halfway through season so it's judged when everyone played each other once". That is no fairer than taking it after 37 games have been played.

If we can't finish the season then it should be voided with no relegation and no promotion. It is a 46 match season. Not 23 and not 37. To decide it any other way is simply ridiculous.

I agree with Bows. 

Simply scrap relegation from the Prem irregardless of footy restarting.  Run the premiership as a 22 team league next year, promote two teams from each division up a tier.

It is imperfect: you could instigate a playoff between bottom team and potential play off candidates of division below, but to get agreement on this added structure and logistics might be impossible.  The next season Premiership teams to be offered exclusion from League Cup:  Also 4 teams to be relegated from Prem, for next two seasons with three promoted.

Yes some teams would lose out, but teams would also benefit from results and efforts made.  

End the 19/20 season now. no winners no relegation.
Start season 20/21 in August/September and add the points from the 19/20 season when we get to the end of the 20/21 season. 

If the season was to resume now, thanks to the ownership shambles and rubbish window, I can see us going down anyway. 

Redrobo said:

Addick Addict said:

Redrobo said:

Addick Addict said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with LB when he says "Fairest way is halfway through season so it's judged when everyone played each other once". That is no fairer than taking it after 37 games have been played.

If we can't finish the season then it should be voided with no relegation and no promotion. It is a 46 match season. Not 23 and not 37. To decide it any other way is simply ridiculous.

I agree with Bows. 

IF there is to be relegation it would be the fairest way, and certainly fairer than cutting off the season. But nothing would be perfect.

So Bromley, who were top at the half way stage in the National League, would get promoted to the Football League when, with 38 games played, they sit in 13th place and 18 points behind the current leaders Barrow?

If we were Barrow I think we would be rightly very upset that a competition, that is meant to be of 46 games duration, elects to promote a side that has zero chance of automatic promotion based on all known results.

The fact that there are winners and losers does not mean that it is not fairer.

Or that it is equally unfair - two wrongs don't make a right and when there is no provision within the rules of a competition for such a scenario then it has to be voided. You cannot make them retrospective. It really is that simple.

Think relegation from the Premier League should start at Palace and all teams below them.

Addick Addict said:

Redrobo said:

Addick Addict said:

Redrobo said:

Addick Addict said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with LB when he says "Fairest way is halfway through season so it's judged when everyone played each other once". That is no fairer than taking it after 37 games have been played.

If we can't finish the season then it should be voided with no relegation and no promotion. It is a 46 match season. Not 23 and not 37. To decide it any other way is simply ridiculous.

I agree with Bows. 

IF there is to be relegation it would be the fairest way, and certainly fairer than cutting off the season. But nothing would be perfect.

So Bromley, who were top at the half way stage in the National League, would get promoted to the Football League when, with 38 games played, they sit in 13th place and 18 points behind the current leaders Barrow?

If we were Barrow I think we would be rightly very upset that a competition, that is meant to be of 46 games duration, elects to promote a side that has zero chance of automatic promotion based on all known results.

The fact that there are winners and losers does not mean that it is not fairer.

Or that it is equally unfair - two wrongs don't make a right and when there is no provision within the rules of a competition for such a scenario then it has to be voided. You cannot make them retrospective. It really is that simple.

I agree, but the discussion followed what Bows said, so that is what we were discussing.

valleyrobin said:

If they scrap the season they should also extend players contract's that was due to expire in June until the next transfer window at least!

How can you force someone’s contract to be extended without the players consent?

golfaddick said:

Airman Brown said:

valleyrobin said:

If they scrap the season they should also extend players contract's that was due to expire in June until the next transfer window at least!

“They” have no power to vary contracts unilaterally, and many clubs would want to release some players anyway.

I would also say that "they" can not change the rules 3/4 the way through the season. You start a season knowing that after 46 league games the bottom 3 go down & the top 2, plus 1 out of the next 4 go up. No ifs or buts. If you can't finish the season then its null & void. 

If they can't finish the season then wouldn't the EFL need to put forward some proposals to the clubs on how to finish the season (as it stands, null and void, PPG etc) and clubs would have to vote on an outcome

Todds_right_hook said:

valleyrobin said:

If they scrap the season they should also extend players contract's that was due to expire in June until the next transfer window at least!

How can you force someone’s contract to be extended without the players consent?

Don't force them, but offer a contract extension for 6 months or a year, if they want to earn a living they'll sign it, otherwise the majority will be sitting around jobless as most clubs wont be signing players at the moment.