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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)
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Course it wasDoctorCharlton said:Also, he did point out in that recent instagram live interview that his injury was in fact 2 weeks before the international duty but he played on and made it worse whilst in Montserrat.3 -
He’s insane if he thinks Charlton are going to be handing out contracts to anyone at the moment, and even more insane if he would consider signing it!DoctorCharlton said:I noticed that Lyle liked a comment on insta from Dexter Blackstock saying the club should offer him a 1 year deal.
Maybe, just maybe he is holding out for that? We can only hope. I think there's better chance of seeing pigs fly but hey ho.
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The issue with Taylor is clear cut for most people - he signed a contract and should play to the end of that contract.
But what about Solly? He hasn't played a League game since December. Did Bowyer previously tell him that he won't play again?
If that were the case, is Solly within his rights to say I'm not playing now even if I'm needed? Does he get the sympathy vote or do exactly the same rules apply to him as Taylor? And let's suppose Taylor found out that Solly was being given a "free" pass, would he not be right to claim the same?
Equally, how do you feel if you're an Albie Morgan and still in contract? You're contracted to play, you want to play but you've been discarded by the manager.
Just being Devil's Advocate and trying to suggest that there can be many different versions of the truth and what is fit and proper for different individuals that have, seemingly, exactly the same rules - they are all under contract.
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If Solly also has a contract with Charlton until 30th of June then, barring any medical/pandemic related mitigation, he should be playing for Charlton until June 30th if selected.Addick Addict said:The issue with Taylor is clear cut for most people - he signed a contract and should play to the end of that contract.
But what about Solly? He hasn't played a League game since December. Did Bowyer previously tell him that he won't play again?
If that were the case, is Solly within his rights to say I'm not playing now even if I'm needed? Does he get the sympathy vote or do exactly the same rules apply to him as Taylor? And let's suppose Taylor found out that Solly was being given a "free" pass, would he not be right to claim the same?
Equally, how do you feel if you're an Albie Morgan and still in contract? You're contracted to play, you want to play but you've been discarded by the manager.
Just being Devil's Advocate and trying to suggest that there can be many different versions of the truth and what is fit and proper for different individuals that have, seemingly, exactly the same rules - they are all under contract.7 -
If Taylor doesn't play, which at the moment I dont want him too, as I dont think his commitment will be there. I hope he stays away from the football club and stays at home out of the way. Would be great if his dream move falls through, and he ends back playing for AFC.
We have too remember Lyle isn't a Charlton fan, but we have the right now not to be a Lyle fan. Yes he has done for us in the past, just like we all do in our daily lives at our workplaces, but we wouldn't last long if we adopted his attitude.
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ForeverAddickted said:
Wasnt that the Swansea game at the end of the year?DoctorCharlton said:Also, he did point out in that recent instagram live interview that his injury was in fact 2 weeks before the international duty but he played on and made it worse whilst in Montserrat.I can't quite remember, but I do recall him saying that's why I was taken off at half time in that game. What game he was referring to, I can't remember off the top of my head.
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AgreeSillybilly said:
How I feel too.supaclive said:He has a contract. Refusal to play is a breach.
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.0 -
Could be wrong but I don’t think @supaclive is at breaking point because of Taylor leaving, (although it’s likely to be the straw that broke the camel’s back) but rather because of the crappy way people conduct themselves, the game being all about money and the fans being left to suffer the consequences.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Nonsense. Far better players than Taylor have left us.supaclive said:He has a contract. Refusal to play is a breach.
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.
We'll get a new owner and even if it's in league one, we'll move on.The greed is at maximum levels now.....for a bunch of blokes who run around trying to put a ball in a net. Not exactly saving lives is it? Range Rovers, luxury flats. It’s all a total turn off particular after reflecting for the last three months on what really matters.6 -
Can't help but feel those negotiations took place a lot sooner than yesterdaybobmunro said:EricBanterna said:
Don't believe that's the case with moving from English club to English club. Think its one month prior to contract ending.bobmunro said:ForeverAddickted said:
Probably not... Its this whole COVID shit that has effectively moved the goalposts massivelyEricBanterna said:If Taylor refuses to play due to the reasons cited and moves to a English club.
Can we not go after them for effectively "tapping up". It's seems there is a offer for him from somewhere
Taylor / his Agent are acting no differently any other out of contract player by trying to get a good deal effective from 1st July - the only difference this time round is that the season hasnt been completed and is set to restart
The goalposts haven't moved. The regulations state that a player over the age of 23 with 6 months or less remaining on his contract is free to negotiate a pre-contract agreement with another club.Yes you are correct - English Club to English Club is one month. So from yesterday he was free to negotiate a deal with another English club.3 -
Addick Addict said:The issue with Taylor is clear cut for most people - he signed a contract and should play to the end of that contract.
But what about Solly? He hasn't played a League game since December. Did Bowyer previously tell him that he won't play again?
If that were the case, is Solly within his rights to say I'm not playing now even if I'm needed? Does he get the sympathy vote or do exactly the same rules apply to him as Taylor? And let's suppose Taylor found out that Solly was being given a "free" pass, would he not be right to claim the same?
Equally, how do you feel if you're an Albie Morgan and still in contract? You're contracted to play, you want to play but you've been discarded by the manager.
Just being Devil's Advocate and trying to suggest that there can be many different versions of the truth and what is fit and proper for different individuals that have, seemingly, exactly the same rules - they are all under contract.There is no obligation on a club to play a footballer, but as long as he is still being paid and is not injured then he must make himself available for selection.2 - Sponsored links:
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It's weird with Lyle. He could have just said that he was uncomfortable coming back with Covid still about and that he didn't think it was right to restart, or that the precautions aren't sufficient. We would have been annoyed but you can't argue with it. I think that he wants to be able to still train to keep in shape ahead of his magical new deal though, and I also do think that Lyle is a few fairly unpleasant things but a liar isn't really one of them, so he's said the real reason he's not playing. Bowyer's then publicised the reason because he wants to convinced Lyle to change his mind, either through pressure and shame from the media or the outpourings from the fanbase. I don't think either will work on Lyle though. I do find it interesting as well that Bowyer doesn't seem to bothered about Solly needing to 'finish what he starts'; guess he's not that bothered about being without Solly. He should be though, because the idea of Adam Matthews playing two games a week for two months is ridiculous. It's all a big mess.Has anything come out about other teams having this issue yet though? Or are there just no other teams who have players they want to keep on expiring deals?0
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AgreedSillybilly said:
How I feel too.supaclive said:He has a contract. Refusal to play is a breach.
Damages for breach. Earnings and potential earnings.
We won't pay him.
He won't care.
Lyle you were, for 18 months, a top man in my eyes. You've just lost that respect.
Play games until 30 June then you are free to choose. By admitting you won't give your all in the meantime, another little part of my love for this game died in front of my very eyes.
This is right now, as close as I have ever been to giving up on Charlton and modern day football.
RIP CAFC. I'm beginning to see no way back for us.0 -
It's such a shame really, as he was very close to going down as a Charlton legend at one point , now all he will be remembered for is this. Nowt as a fickle footballers.1
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I imagine Lyle didn't take any wages from the club when he was injured.3
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Really? Why would you think that?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I imagine Lyle didn't take any wages from the club when he was injured.1 -
I wouldn't do it working part time for a factory in Erith, let alone after showing supposed passion to supporters, while playing for their Club and getting weighed out all the time he's been sat out injured. Maybe that's because I've been self employed for the most part of my working life, but I just think the absolute least he could've done was train / play up until his contract is officially up. And I would have even considered hanging around until the season was finished until I went to my new Club, if he's that confident in his ability to perform for this "big club", he should have the confidence to tell them to wait a couple more weeks until his season is over with Charlton imoDOUCHER said:
couldn't say for certain until in that position but i'm 99% certain i wouldn't either - all down to your values as a personi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I wouldn'tJamesSeed said:99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all.Still gutted though.
I can't see anything Taylor has done as understandable, or showing any honour, meself.
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Of course he didhoof_it_up_to_benty said:I imagine Lyle didn't take any wages from the club when he was injured.0 -
I've a sneaking suspicion he'll end up playing.2
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I am not expecting these comments to keep him awake at night, I just think it is unacceptable, almost irrelevamt to his affiliation to Charlton in the scheme of things. He may not have busted a gut under normal circumstnaces. I would have siad just turning up would have been a bonus but it isn't a 'bonus' as he is under contract. I thnk the Bauer situation a poignant comparisonsuperclive98 said:
I'm sure that your disappointment will keep him awake at night.CAFCDAZ said:Footballers are privileged individuals fulfilling dreams that 1000s of kids would love to and are paid well to do just that. No he might not be on 20k a week, but I'm sure he earns a lot more than most of us. He should honor his contract in what is a very unusual situation. Even if that means playing upto 30th June. I'm genuinely dissapointed with him, I think he has really let himself and us fans down
As a professional footballer he has a limited time to earn money. He is now at a crucial time in his career where he can obtain a contract that will secure his future.
His affiliation with Charlton is less than two years. Ours, as fans, may be 10/20/30/40/50/60 years. Is it any wonder that he may see things differently?
I really think that people should get some perspective. I, as a Charlton fan of many years, do not want to see us relegated, but I can fully understand why Lyle does not want to risk his future in these exceptional circumstances. If the future had been concluded under normal circumstances then I have no doubt that Lyle would have been busting a gut, as he had in every other game, to secure our survival.1 -
I was being sarcastic - the contract works both ways. He was happy to be paid when injured but now doesn't want to play.I DamoNorthStand said:
Really? Why would you think that?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I imagine Lyle didn't take any wages from the club when he was injured.1 - Sponsored links:
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McCoist and flintoff aren’t and they agreeJamesSeed said:
We’re seeing this through fans’ eyes.Talal said:
Don't agree with that, he's under contract I think more people would honour it than not. After June 30th I'd have no problem with him not playing.JamesSeed said:99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all.Still gutted though.3 -
Maybe new owners if it happens...will sort something out.0
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Very disappointing situation, he must have a contract already lined up. If he didn't surely scoring 6/7 more goals in our last 9 games and his value would rise even further.0
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I get the feeling Bow and LT have fallen out over talks. Where Bowyer would usually have used Covid as a smokescreen I think he has told the truth.Garrymanilow said:It's weird with Lyle. He could have just said that he was uncomfortable coming back with Covid still about and that he didn't think it was right to restart, or that the precautions aren't sufficient. We would have been annoyed but you can't argue with it. I think that he wants to be able to still train to keep in shape ahead of his magical new deal though, and I also do think that Lyle is a few fairly unpleasant things but a liar isn't really one of them, so he's said the real reason he's not playing. Bowyer's then publicised the reason because he wants to convinced Lyle to change his mind, either through pressure and shame from the media or the outpourings from the fanbase. I don't think either will work on Lyle though. I do find it interesting as well that Bowyer doesn't seem to bothered about Solly needing to 'finish what he starts'; guess he's not that bothered about being without Solly. He should be though, because the idea of Adam Matthews playing two games a week for two months is ridiculous. It's all a big mess.Has anything come out about other teams having this issue yet though? Or are there just no other teams who have players they want to keep on expiring deals?1 -
Lyle seemed to be an important cog in the outstanding team moral Bowyer has engendered and my main worry is the effect his decision will have on his team mates3
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cafc_se7 said:
I get the feeling Bow and LT have fallen out over talks. Where Bowyer would usually have used Covid as a smokescreen I think he has told the truth.Garrymanilow said:It's weird with Lyle. He could have just said that he was uncomfortable coming back with Covid still about and that he didn't think it was right to restart, or that the precautions aren't sufficient. We would have been annoyed but you can't argue with it. I think that he wants to be able to still train to keep in shape ahead of his magical new deal though, and I also do think that Lyle is a few fairly unpleasant things but a liar isn't really one of them, so he's said the real reason he's not playing. Bowyer's then publicised the reason because he wants to convinced Lyle to change his mind, either through pressure and shame from the media or the outpourings from the fanbase. I don't think either will work on Lyle though. I do find it interesting as well that Bowyer doesn't seem to bothered about Solly needing to 'finish what he starts'; guess he's not that bothered about being without Solly. He should be though, because the idea of Adam Matthews playing two games a week for two months is ridiculous. It's all a big mess.Has anything come out about other teams having this issue yet though? Or are there just no other teams who have players they want to keep on expiring deals?I think you could be right.
Funny how he mentioned in that interview the other week that Bowyer is the only manager he hasn't argued with. Sounds like that might have changed.
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no he didn'tDoctorCharlton said:Also, he did point out in that recent instagram live interview that his injury was in fact 2 weeks before the international duty but he played on and made it worse whilst in Montserrat.
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Say Lyle gets his mega contract and then says to his new employer I don't fancy playing as I might get injured.2
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Bedsaddick said:
Of course he didhoof_it_up_to_benty said:I imagine Lyle didn't take any wages from the club when he was injured.
Nah, would be very unlikely. I had a sick day once and was offered full pay, I insisted my firm would be better off keeping the money.0 -
Given that Taylor has been able to talk to other clubs since January, I’m a little surprised that his agent hadn’t already secured a binding pre-contract agreement. Maybe he has and there’s a ‘get out’ clause for the new club if the player sustains a serious injury.If there is no such agreement, Taylor’s timing is unfortunate from his financial point of view, as clubs are going to be paying substantially lower wages in the current climate. Even in the Premier League, most teams lose money in a normal season - now they have the broadcasters’ rebate (a minimum £330 million) to contend with, as well as the loss of matchday income for all or most of next season. Sky, BT and the overseas broadcasters also won’t be happy with the absence of any atmosphere in the stadiums and are likely to seek a reduction for next season as well.
As for the Championship, the division is a financial basket case and you have to wonder how long wealthy owners are going to be able to keeping pumping in money in the current economic climate. The strong likelihood is that wage levels will be forced down, albeit not to same extent as transfer fees.I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Taylor’s new club and, especially, his agent, were urging him to ‘down tools’, although I doubt that you’d find any evidence of that, given that procuring a breach of contract is actionable. Perhaps we could get Southall’s imaginary lawyers to pursue a claim against them both for loss of the chance of staying in the Championship - or maybe not...
Unless Lee thinks there’s a remote chance of a change of heart (which seems very unlikely), I imagine he’ll ask Taylor to stay away from Sparrow’s Lane. The odds are already massively stacked against us without undermining morale further.1
