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Charlton v Wigan | Sat 18 July, 2020 | Post-match thread
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Field was having a good game breaking up play winning headers. Williams for JFC would have been enough at HT. we looked lost after those subs0
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They’ve just become champions, we’ve got to hope they’ll have a relaxing evening!peterreeves said:cafcfan1990 said:
That’s what I think. A draw today and we only need a point against Leeds.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:
Think I'd prefer a draw, so a point would be enough for us at Leeds.bobmunro said:killerandflash said:If one team wins, one team can't overtake us and one is in a good position to
If Luton and Hull draw theoretically both could go ahead of us if they both win on Wednesday. Hull away to Cardiff seems unlikely, Luton at home to Blackburn seems more possible
I want Hull to win - much less likely than Luton to win their last game.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Hull off to a good start against Luton. Interesting!Even if we lost against Leeds, two of Hull, Luton and Wigan would then have to win their final game to go above us.
It's the 'only need a point against Leeds' that worries me!!
My Leeds boss is saying they haven't forgotten losing to us after they dominated the whole match...
Now that bothers me!0 -
Yeah ..... but that's what often happens on the last day of the season.cafcfan1990 said:Lazy_eye_metaphor said:
Think I'd prefer a draw, so a point would be enough for us at Leeds.bobmunro said:killerandflash said:If one team wins, one team can't overtake us and one is in a good position to
If Luton and Hull draw theoretically both could go ahead of us if they both win on Wednesday. Hull away to Cardiff seems unlikely, Luton at home to Blackburn seems more possible
I want Hull to win - much less likely than Luton to win their last game.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Hull off to a good start against Luton. Interesting!Even if we lost against Leeds, two of Hull, Luton and Wigan would then have to win their final game to go above us.
Take nothing for granted.
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Also watch Aneke's reaction after he sets up Bonne.
These players care.28 -
That's the way I see it Bobbobmunro said:soapboxsam said:The venom aimed at our players during a game is unreal. I guess you guys do the same at matches ?
Well done Bowyer for keeping Bonne on at the death, all the other experts thought he should come off because he misses chances. The fact he now has 3 in 5 games appears to count for nothing. Davidson was enthusiastic for 60 odd minutes and did his self proud but his first game for about 5 months in first team was always going to drain him.
I will give the match thread a wide berth on Wednesday as I seem to be out of kilter with the comments. Too many folk just want to bury Charlton and the players
I repeat the same message that I said after the Birmingham game. The whole team are giving 100% every 3 or 4 days despite their obvious limitations at times.
Naby Sarr did at least 3 great passes But being Naby, the cross for the first goal he had to try to stop with his Left foot not his right !
Still we live to fight another day and I'm still considering @bobmunro claim that's it best that either Hull or Luton win. A lot of ifs and Buts in there, but in Bob we trust.Very dangerous!My analysis assumes Wigan get the 12 point deduction - if they don't (and it's a possibility knowing the EFL), I still think a Hull win is better for us - they would have to beat Cardiff on the last day to go above us so - much tougher than Luton against Blackburn.0 -
I love Aneke, although I may be in the minority.Henry Irving said:Also watch Aneke's reaction after he sets up Bonne.
These players care.19 -
Of course not, that’s exactly why I want Hull and Luton to draw. Because we then go to Leeds knowing a point is enough.Oggy Red said:
Yeah ..... but that's what often happens on the last day of the season.cafcfan1990 said:Lazy_eye_metaphor said:
Think I'd prefer a draw, so a point would be enough for us at Leeds.bobmunro said:killerandflash said:If one team wins, one team can't overtake us and one is in a good position to
If Luton and Hull draw theoretically both could go ahead of us if they both win on Wednesday. Hull away to Cardiff seems unlikely, Luton at home to Blackburn seems more possible
I want Hull to win - much less likely than Luton to win their last game.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Hull off to a good start against Luton. Interesting!Even if we lost against Leeds, two of Hull, Luton and Wigan would then have to win their final game to go above us.
Take nothing for granted.0 -
D'oh, perception has never been my strong point.ForeverAddickted said:
Cant see it myselfGoOnYouHaddocks said:Massive point. Hopefully Leeds are already champions before we play them.
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Just like we have dropped 8 points in added time, it's only fair to look at the net position (late goals at Wigan and QPR) which makes it 6.Oggy Red said:So 11 Championship goals now for our non-League striker.
Since Taylor f*cked off, it's all been on Bonne's shoulders. We need to cut him some slack.
Same for Bonne........he has earned us a couple of points with his goals - but the net position after taking off his fluffs is about -12 goals and however many points (not checked).
He needs to be cut something, but not some slack.
"Out of the picture" would be my choice.
Teams were quaking in their boots at the thought of facing Lyle, and the same doesn't happen for Chucks/Bonne/Hemed/Davidson - who sound more like a firm of solicitors on the team sheet.
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Not necessarily, a point would be enough if we lost at Leeds.bobmunro said:soapboxsam said:The venom aimed at our players during a game is unreal. I guess you guys do the same at matches ?
Well done Bowyer for keeping Bonne on at the death, all the other experts thought he should come off because he misses chances. The fact he now has 3 in 5 games appears to count for nothing. Davidson was enthusiastic for 60 odd minutes and did his self proud but his first game for about 5 months in first team was always going to drain him.
I will give the match thread a wide berth on Wednesday as I seem to be out of kilter with the comments. Too many folk just want to bury Charlton and the players
I repeat the same message that I said after the Birmingham game. The whole team are giving 100% every 3 or 4 days despite their obvious limitations at times.
Naby Sarr did at least 3 great passes But being Naby, the cross for the first goal he had to try to stop with his Left foot not his right !
Still we live to fight another day and I'm still considering @bobmunro claim that's it best that either Hull or Luton win. A lot of ifs and Buts in there, but in Bob we trust.Very dangerous!My analysis assumes Wigan get the 12 point deduction - if they don't (and it's a possibility knowing the EFL), I still think a Hull win is better for us - they would have to beat Cardiff on the last day to go above us so - much tougher than Luton against Blackburn.0 -
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Very True words and our players and managerkillerandflash said:Phew
A strange first half in that whereas in he previous 7 games we'd looked solid at the back but toothless up front, today we looked nervous and sloppy at the back, but dangerous up front. Davison and Bonne are raw BUT they both can run behind the defenders which makes such a difference
In the second half we were far worse up front, just hoofing it up front, with Aneke giving away endless free kicks. But it eventually worked! Great flick on and a smart finish
Overall a much better performance. Great to see the Wigan players look so dejected and Paul Cook furious, with the 12 point deduction they're still well in it, and face Fulham on Wednesday - if Fulham win today, they'll still have a chance of automatic promotion thanks to West Brom and Brentford losing, come on Scotty!
Deserve to stay up, as for that ARSEHOLE Taylor .....0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorerskillerandflash said:
Agreed, some of the comments about Bonne at HT were ridiculoussoapboxsam said:The venom aimed at our players during a game is unreal. I guess you guys do the same at matches ?
Well done Bowyer for keeping Bonne on at the death, all the other experts thought he should come off because he misses chances. The fact he now has 3 in 5 games appears to count for nothing. Davidson was enthusiastic for 60 odd minutes and did his self proud but his first game for about 5 months in first team was always going to drain him.
I will give the match thread a wide berth on Wednesday as I seem to be out of kilter with the comments. Too many folk just want to bury Charlton and the players
I repeat the same message that I said after the Birmingham game. The whole team are giving 100% every 3 or 4 days despite their obvious limitations at times.
Naby Sarr did at least 3 great passes But being Naby, the cross for the first goal he had to try to stop with his Left foot not his right !
Still we live to fight another day and I'm still considering @bobmunro claim that's it best that either Hull or Luton win. A lot of ifs and Buts in there, but in Bob we trust.
Even the best strikers (Salah, Aguero, Kane, Vardy etc) don't score every chance they get, hence the maxim that a good striker scores "one in two" which is what Bonne did today, and indeed versus Birmingham. I bet Bamford's chance conversion is worse than Bonne's this season...
So working out Bonne's minutes on TransferMarkt he's played roughly: 2,272 minutes, 11-goals means he scores every: 206mins
So roughly scores as often as Karlan Grant has done this season, actually scores more often than Patrick Bamford
Regardless has a better goals to minutes ratio than a lot of players more experienced in that list15 -
I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit.11
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Yeah, in the video link it looks well taken ...... but not good enough to get the Covered End on their feet.Callumcafc said:
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Haven’t read much lately but is the general consensus that Bowyer is off after the Leeds game?Will be criminal If he’s allowed to wander off0
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I'm certainly not hero worshipping him - I'm just not having it that he's shit like many think he isSillybilly said:I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit.
The bloke is level on goals with a Reading Striker who cost £7m!! - His goals / value is outstanding even
As for the goal today it clearly didnt need power as he scored
Any harder and that could easily have gone sailing over, which would have had you lot moaning even more16 -
Send out for a very long bike ride after Wigan scored, just back in and yeah it could’ve been worse I suppose.....
”’we go again’again”0 -
Sorry, but that's ridiculous, for someone who has 11 goals this season.Valiantphil said:
Just like we have dropped 8 points in added time, it's only fair to look at the net position (late goals at Wigan and QPR) which makes it 6.Oggy Red said:So 11 Championship goals now for our non-League striker.
Since Taylor f*cked off, it's all been on Bonne's shoulders. We need to cut him some slack.
Same for Bonne........he has earned us a couple of points with his goals - but the net position after taking off his fluffs is about -12 goals and however many points (not checked).
He needs to be cut something, but not some slack.
"Out of the picture" would be my choice.
Teams were quaking in their boots at the thought of facing Lyle, and the same doesn't happen for Chucks/Bonne/Hemed/Davidson - who sound more like a firm of solicitors on the team sheet.
Bamford this season has 16 goals, but that has come from 125 shots, 56 of which were on target3 -
According to SofaScore, Bonne has scored 11 goals this season and has had 10 “big chances” missed.
First of all, to get himself into the positions to possibly have 21 goals this season from only 32 starts clearly demonstrates his potential. His movement is his greatest quality and something you can’t teach. I just hope he works on his first touch over the summer.
He’s not youngest player on the field but he still has a couple of years before he hits his prime and I’m confident he will get 15-20 goals next season with the right striker partner next to him.18 -
Get that cover on that mattress mateForeverAddickted said:
Does pissing yourself count?robroy said:Hands up who’s pissed before 15:00 on a Saturday 🙋🏻♂️1 -
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Why is that? - I've seen nothing that would suggest he's off after that gameValley11 said:Haven’t read much lately but is the general consensus that Bowyer is off after the Leeds game?Will be criminal If he’s allowed to wander off
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For comparison against Bonne’s 11/10 ratio goals to big misses.Ollie Watkins: 25 goals, 16 “big chances” missed
Mitrovic: 24 goals, 12 “big chances” missed
Grabban: 20 goals, 17 “big chances” missed
Wells: 18 goals, 11 “big chances” missed
Grant: 18 goals, 14 “big chances” missed5 -
Bonne our top goalscorer
We've mostly all given him some grief
But could he step forward and save us on Wednesday?
Maybe he already has.
Let's wait and see, the lads will know what needs to be done.
Never easy being Charlton7 -
And, perhaps, a BBC Sport journalist?GoOnYouHaddocks said:Massive point. Hopefully Leeds are already champions before we play them.
<Edit> Yes, I'm an idiot.1 -
Nor me apart from unsubstantiated media rumoursForeverAddickted said:
Why is that? - I've seen nothing that would suggest he's off after that gameValley11 said:Haven’t read much lately but is the general consensus that Bowyer is off after the Leeds game?Will be criminal If he’s allowed to wander off3 -
Surprised Bowyer hasnt said more about Davison's selection today, seems he's just done well enough in training to be picked
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A lot of praise here for Bonne's late equaliser - and rightly so.
But what about Doughty's equaliser in the first half? That was equally vital to the final score.
A young player, home grown, surely equally deserving of encouragement for his role in earning us a point today.22 -
Send us a postcardSillybilly said:I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit.
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Done so well that he hasn’t even come on recently but then starts.ForeverAddickted said:Surprised Bowyer hasnt said more about Davison's selection today, seems he's just done well enough in training to be pickedBows has got tired of Hemed and doesn’t trust Aneke, I don’t believe one second Davison was picked on merit, he was picked because everybody else is shit. Either way, he’s a young player who gave it his all which is all you can ask for4 -
Two forced subs at HT, that’s fair enough.ForeverAddickted said:What are people's thoughts on the subs today? - Of course we rescued a point so imagine that people will be happy with Bowyer's decisions today
Certainly nice that Bowyer didnt feel the overall need to use a 5th sub just for the sake of it
Seeing we were poor for about 20mins towards the end though you could look past the surface and wonder if they were the right calls?No bulk subbing and McGeady for Pearce was an attacking move as we needed more going forward.Can’t argue with Bowyers decision making today, but credit has to go to the players on the pitch. Dug deep and a brilliant finish from Bonne.7
