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Summer Transfer Rumours 2020 (DEADLINE DAY from pg.258)

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  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Not that easy, the EFL have warned of ‘serious consequences for intentional misconduct.’
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    MattF said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Not that easy, the EFL have warned of ‘serious consequences for intentional misconduct.’
    Especially if any part of that Club is called: Charlton!!
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Just a shame we've lost 2 games on the bounce with this dilemma so I don't think we should be trying to pick huge positives. It's not a great situation.
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    ForeverAddickted said:
    MattF said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Not that easy, the EFL have warned of ‘serious consequences for intentional misconduct.’
    Especially if any part of that Club is called: Charlton!!
    Maybe we could become Charlton Wednesday and confuse the shit out of them
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,985
    Whatever happens, thank the Lord we have Bowyer and Gallen making these decisions. Total faith.
    Not some scruffy-haired Fifa-playing Belgian teenager. 
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    On Ronnie Schwartz to us

  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    ValleyGary said:
    Only at Charlton could we get a rich happy owner and encounter a fucking wage cap 
    Fucked by getting relegated that should have gone to a team that.......yes, you guessed it.....cheated by signing high waged players. You couldnt make it up. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,004
    edited September 2020
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Us football fans are such a bunch of hypocrites, a different breed.

    We spend years protesting against the EFL, they need to get a grip on the finances and wages to stop clubs going bust.

    The EFL introduce a wage cap in the middle of a pandemic and the first thing some of us fans do is try and work a way round it, or say to just ignore it (me included).
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    MattF said:
    moutuakilla said:
    How long will this wage cap hold? Seems mad to have the same cap regardless of turnover etc
    Are the PFA still mounting a legal challenge against it or not I wonder
    It's the players union. You would have thought that they all would be hammering down their door & asking them to do something about it.

    Just reading Bows comments after tonight's game - think the players need to be putting real pressure on the PFA saying that lower league clubs now don't have the capacity to pay x, even if they want to. 
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    A wage cap is on paper a good idea, but really it needs every decision to similarly cap their wages, or we're going to end up with a situation that if a player does well in league one by January that team has no chance of keeping that player. A one size fits all approach is just ludicrous as well, galling that other teams get to dictate how little we can spend.
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Covered End said:
    Bowyer: Before this game we would've been offered this and that player. Now I'll speak with Steve Gallen and we'll have been offered 10 more players. Let's not rush into anything...we've got to make the right decisions.

    Sorry Lee, but some fans think you're a liar and just want you to sign someone/anyone.
    They aren't interested if you're trying to make the right decisions.
    Rush, panic, don't think and plan just sign someone.  :smile:
    I feel someone's having a dig at me......1🤔
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,548
    I know i sound like Golfie here, but unproven small danish striker? I think we all know deep down he’s more likely to fail than not. Hope i’m proved wrong.
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Hopefully this wage cap will make players see sense. 99% of EFL players don't need an agent. The PFA offer free agency services if a player wants somebody to negotiate on their behalf when it comes to transfers and contract renewals. In the past agents fee simply didn't effect players, now, with the cap, every penny that goes to an agent is a penny out of their combined pockets.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Right having been out of the loop on this for a while, how did this Danish lad signing come about. Dreisen still not scouting for us his he, as he seems a little left field?

    (this is not to say he won't be good, far from it - obviously it's just not *that* common that a player from the Danish leagues ends up over here). 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,004
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Right having been out of the loop on this for a while, how did this Danish lad signing come about. Dreisen still not scouting for us his he, as he seems a little left field?

    (this is not to say he won't be good, far from it - obviously it's just not *that* common that a player from the Danish leagues ends up over here). 
    I'll take a random guess and say it may have something to do with our Danish owner.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Covered End said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Us football fans are such a bunch of hypocrites, a different breed.

    We spend years protesting against the EFL, they need to get a grip on the finances and wages to stop clubs going bust.

    The EFL introduce a wage cap in the middle of a pandemic and the first thing some of us fans do is try and work a way round it, or say to just ignore it (me included).
    But it's not been thought out properly. I'm all for a wage cap, but balanced against profits or turnover, not just some figure picked out of the air. 

    Surely if you filled out your 40,000 stadium you are in a better position to pay a player £x than a club who only gets a 4,000 gate. You could cap the wage at 50% turnover or a% of gate receipts. Instead its come down to the lowest common denominator. 

    We are especially hampered as we have been under a transfer embargo & so unable to bring in players BEFORE the wage cap came in. We were lucky to be able to sign Gilbey & Washington (and that was because we forced the EFL's hand) as well as renewing Williams contract. We have started this season with one hand tied behind our backs. At the very least the EFL should have given us a week or two's grace before it applying to us.

  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Right having been out of the loop on this for a while, how did this Danish lad signing come about. Dreisen still not scouting for us his he, as he seems a little left field?

    (this is not to say he won't be good, far from it - obviously it's just not *that* common that a player from the Danish leagues ends up over here). 
    I'll take a random guess and say it may have something to do with our Danish owner.
    Thought I read on here that either TS knew Schwarz's agent or there was contact between them, mentioned it to Gallen who already had him on his list of possible transfer targets.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Right having been out of the loop on this for a while, how did this Danish lad signing come about. Dreisen still not scouting for us his he, as he seems a little left field?

    (this is not to say he won't be good, far from it - obviously it's just not *that* common that a player from the Danish leagues ends up over here). 
    I'll take a random guess and say it may have something to do with our Danish owner.
    Is he a football scout as well as a rock star ceo? 
  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,632
    Not fully convinced that Gallen would have danish top flight/second div strikers on his radar without the influence of someone else. 
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  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    cafcsinger said:
    I know i sound like Golfie here, but unproven small danish striker? I think we all know deep down he’s more likely to fail than not. Hope i’m proved wrong.
    That’s the spirit!
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,004
    edited September 2020
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Covered End said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Right having been out of the loop on this for a while, how did this Danish lad signing come about. Dreisen still not scouting for us his he, as he seems a little left field?

    (this is not to say he won't be good, far from it - obviously it's just not *that* common that a player from the Danish leagues ends up over here). 
    I'll take a random guess and say it may have something to do with our Danish owner.
    Is he a football scout as well as a rock star ceo? 
    See 4 posts up. 
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,930
    golfaddick said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Only at Charlton could we get a rich happy owner and encounter a fucking wage cap 
    Fucked by getting relegated that should have gone to a team that.......yes, you guessed it.....cheated by signing high waged players. You couldnt make it up. 
    I know it seems frustrating when you think of it like that but I keep justifying it in my head by thinking that we wouldn’t have been taken over by TS if we’d stayed up - Roland would have overvalued. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,004
    golfaddick said:
    Covered End said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Us football fans are such a bunch of hypocrites, a different breed.

    We spend years protesting against the EFL, they need to get a grip on the finances and wages to stop clubs going bust.

    The EFL introduce a wage cap in the middle of a pandemic and the first thing some of us fans do is try and work a way round it, or say to just ignore it (me included).
    But it's not been thought out properly. I'm all for a wage cap, but balanced against profits or turnover, not just some figure picked out of the air. 

    Surely if you filled out your 40,000 stadium you are in a better position to pay a player £x than a club who only gets a 4,000 gate. You could cap the wage at 50% turnover or a% of gate receipts. Instead its come down to the lowest common denominator. 

    We are especially hampered as we have been under a transfer embargo & so unable to bring in players BEFORE the wage cap came in. We were lucky to be able to sign Gilbey & Washington (and that was because we forced the EFL's hand) as well as renewing Williams contract. We have started this season with one hand tied behind our backs. At the very least the EFL should have given us a week or two's grace before it applying to us.

    I agree apart from the last line.
    My point is even if the cap was as you describe, some of us football fans, would still be looking for a way round it.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    I’m sure it’s been answered many times but when does the window close as far as we are concerned, is it 5th Oct?
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    @flyingkiwiDK are you putting the delay on announcing Schwartz deal down to us waiting for TS to arrive from US
  • flyingkiwiDK
    flyingkiwiDK Posts: 5,723
    mart77 said:
    @flyingkiwiDK are you putting the delay on announcing Schwartz deal down to us waiting for TS to arrive from US
    Yes. That would be my guess 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Covered End said:
    golfaddick said:
    Covered End said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Surely we should just sign who we want to get out of this league, go over the cap and take the fine on the chin?
    Us football fans are such a bunch of hypocrites, a different breed.

    We spend years protesting against the EFL, they need to get a grip on the finances and wages to stop clubs going bust.

    The EFL introduce a wage cap in the middle of a pandemic and the first thing some of us fans do is try and work a way round it, or say to just ignore it (me included).
    But it's not been thought out properly. I'm all for a wage cap, but balanced against profits or turnover, not just some figure picked out of the air. 

    Surely if you filled out your 40,000 stadium you are in a better position to pay a player £x than a club who only gets a 4,000 gate. You could cap the wage at 50% turnover or a% of gate receipts. Instead its come down to the lowest common denominator. 

    We are especially hampered as we have been under a transfer embargo & so unable to bring in players BEFORE the wage cap came in. We were lucky to be able to sign Gilbey & Washington (and that was because we forced the EFL's hand) as well as renewing Williams contract. We have started this season with one hand tied behind our backs. At the very least the EFL should have given us a week or two's grace before it applying to us.

    I agree apart from the last line.
    My point is even if the cap was as you describe, some of us football fans, would still be looking for a way round it.
    What is dubious is the way it came in so suddenly, so that any signings beforehand weren't affected, but any signings afterwards WERE affected

    So a club which did its business early will be allowed to have a much higher salary bill this season than a club like ours which did its business later

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