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Summer Transfer Rumours 2020 (DEADLINE DAY from pg.258)
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Thanks for the speedy reply. Looks like an exciting season ahead and I’m still hopeful than my winning the league bet stands a chance!1
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5th October = International Signingssillav nitram said:I’m sure it’s been answered many times but when does the window close as far as we are concerned, is it 5th Oct?
16th October = Domestic Signings
Free Transfers (provided they were released before their respective window closes) can be signed at any time1 -
The Danish club FC MidJ is owned by the guy who owns Brentford, perhaps there is a connection with Steve Gallen and how this striker came to his attention.6
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My issue is that it is not a salary cap.It is a cap on how much a club can pay out in a year in wages. It has no consideration as to how this will effect clubs going forward or their ability to develop their own players and recognise their improvements by paying them what they deserve. Players over 21 do develop as well! They really do need to think about this or kids reaching 21 will be released as clubs can’t get them into the squad and sign a seasoned player. Nonsense.
It does not look at how it makes it easier for the vultures from higher clubs to pick off players as owning clubs can’t complete by paying them to stay. How stupid is that?
If the CAP was good. Fine. Why then start a month later? Why not backdated to the start of the transfer window?Why did they give an extension so SOME teams could take advantage of signing players up before it became active? A level playing field should be a given. They failed. They should work out a solution to put that right.Overall a good idea. I feel that they don’t have the personal to make it work.7 -
Thanks.ForeverAddickted said:
5th October = International Signingssillav nitram said:I’m sure it’s been answered many times but when does the window close as far as we are concerned, is it 5th Oct?
16th October = Domestic Signings
Free Transfers (provided they were released before their respective window closes) can be signed at any time1 -
I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at our level looking abroad a bit more under the cap. Now that a player can comfortably make a lot more money sitting on the bench for a Championship side or face taking a massive pay cut compared to their previous salary I think we'll see more work going into finding good players in leagues that have never been able to pay as much. We've lost our advantage compared to teams around us so we might just have to take advantage of poorer leagues. It's not ideal given it's always a gamble, but teams might not have a lot of other choice
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That means Celtic need to sign AD by midnight on Monday, if he plays for us on Saturday I don't think he will be going North of the border.4
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I know many are exited we are signing a striker, but I am with those who dont like the Danish link at this time.
Also - sorry if already reported - Schwartz admitted to fake a back injury in fear of his health before his transfer from Silkeborg to Midtjylland. That didnt go down well everywhere.
Titles read: "Schwartz pretended to be injuried before transfer" and "Sad and unprofessional" (Silkeborgs view)
https://www.bold.dk/fodbold/nyheder/schwartz-fingerede-skade-inden-fcm-skifte/
https://www.bold.dk/fodbold/nyheder/sif-om-schwartz-aergerligt-og-uprofessionelt/
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If he signs will you stop this i'm in the know all the time stuff?flyingkiwiDK said:
Put it this way I am very, very happy (and somewhat surprised) that Ronnie is signing for us.Callumcafc said:Bloody hell, he’s not exactly a youngster with a scratchy bit of potential a la Piotr P. He just came off a season top scoring in the top league in Denmark and his team just qualified for the Champions League.
Given the world we live in today, I would be surprised if he wasn’t on multiple clubs radars including ours.
Willing to bet that the Danish thing is a coincidence.I think he’ll prove some of the doubters wrong.0 - Sponsored links:
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Redrobo said:My issue is that it is not a salary cap.It is a cap on how much a club can pay out in a year in wages. It has no consideration as to how this will effect clubs going forward or their ability to develop their own players and recognise their improvements by paying them what they deserve. Players over 21 do develop as well! They really do need to think about this or kids reaching 21 will be released as clubs can’t get them into the squad and sign a seasoned player. Nonsense.
It does not look at how it makes it easier for the vultures from higher clubs to pick off players as owning clubs can’t complete by paying them to stay. How stupid is that?
If the CAP was good. Fine. Why then start a month later? Why not backdated to the start of the transfer window?Why did they give an extension so SOME teams could take advantage of signing players up before it became active? A level playing field should be a given. They failed. They should work out a solution to put that right.Overall a good idea. I feel that they don’t have the personal to make it work.I think of it in terms of a team salary cap (with a few caveats) rather than as an individual player cap.This was determined by and voted in by the smaller teams in the division, justifiable to help their clubs survive. However, they refused to allow any adjustment to the cap for the larger teams with much higher matchday income and merchandising, thereby giving themselves (the smaller clubs) a better chance of competing for promotion etc.I think they voted for it to come into effect immediately, I think all the clubs knew that would happen if was going to be approved, which was why clubs rushed through contract extensions for their higher paid players before the vote took place.0 -
I know, which doesn’t make it any less crap.SmileLikePender said:Redrobo said:My issue is that it is not a salary cap.It is a cap on how much a club can pay out in a year in wages. It has no consideration as to how this will effect clubs going forward or their ability to develop their own players and recognise their improvements by paying them what they deserve. Players over 21 do develop as well! They really do need to think about this or kids reaching 21 will be released as clubs can’t get them into the squad and sign a seasoned player. Nonsense.
It does not look at how it makes it easier for the vultures from higher clubs to pick off players as owning clubs can’t complete by paying them to stay. How stupid is that?
If the CAP was good. Fine. Why then start a month later? Why not backdated to the start of the transfer window?Why did they give an extension so SOME teams could take advantage of signing players up before it became active? A level playing field should be a given. They failed. They should work out a solution to put that right.Overall a good idea. I feel that they don’t have the personal to make it work.I think of it in terms of a team salary cap (with a few caveats) rather than as an individual player cap.This was determined by and voted in by the smaller teams in the division, justifiable to help their clubs survive. However, they refused to allow any adjustment to the cap for the larger teams with much higher matchday income and merchandising, thereby giving themselves (the smaller clubs) a better chance of competing for promotion etc.I think they voted for it to come into effect immediately, I think all the clubs knew that would happen if was going to be approved, which was why clubs rushed through contract extensions for their higher paid players before the vote took place.Look forward to next season and beyond.
What is the point of having a club, let alone a small club, getting in the top six?One could invest a lot of money in your youth team with young exciting players getting into your club into the top six. If you do not succeed in getting promotion the higher leagues will rape you of every player with potential, and with the money we are capped to pay we will have no way of defending ourselves.
Clubs in the Premiership would class every player they have in the millions. When buying they offer peanuts. They HAVE to let the money flow down.Bigger fees, higher performance payments, higher sell on fees. They need to get some rules in.
They also have to stop Scotland and Europe buying kids without paying a development fee.Minimum.1 -
Maddison is off somewhere tomorrow, but whether it's us remains to be seen. Not sure how we'd be able to get him in with the cap though...1
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Easily if the overall squad salary numbers add up. And Bowyer wants him enough...ButtleJR said:Maddison is off somewhere tomorrow, but whether it's us remains to be seen. Not sure how we'd be able to get him in with the cap though...0 -
How long before a 22 year old sues his club and/or the EFL for age discrimination due to earning far less than his 20 team mate?19
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Am I correct in thinking that promotion bonuses and 'increases in salaries after promotion' are excluded from the cap? So clubs could offer a contract of £2,000 a week this season rising to £8,000 a week next season if the club is promoted to the Championship?If so, then that could be a reason why a lot more players are now becoming available to us, because they can see TS has the resources to offer contracts like that.6
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What’s the beef with Denmark, @norwayaddick ???norwayaddick said:I know many are exited we are signing a striker, but I am with those who dont like the Danish link at this time.
Also - sorry if already reported - Schwartz admitted to fake a back injury in fear of his health before his transfer from Silkeborg to Midtjylland. That didnt go down well everywhere.
Titles read: "Schwartz pretended to be injuried before transfer" and "Sad and unprofessional" (Silkeborgs view)
https://www.bold.dk/fodbold/nyheder/schwartz-fingerede-skade-inden-fcm-skifte/
https://www.bold.dk/fodbold/nyheder/sif-om-schwartz-aergerligt-og-uprofessionelt/13 -
No beef, and if LB/Gallen goes for him then chances are its an OK deal.Callumcafc said:What’s the beef with Denmark, @norwayaddick ???
Just hope this is not our new owner overspending to make some headlines in Denmark.
Smertin didnt do to well at Stamford Bridge after being one of the first signings under Abramovich.
(I`ll stop that comparison...)
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I hope notcafcsinger said:
If he signs will you stop this i'm in the know all the time stuff?flyingkiwiDK said:
Put it this way I am very, very happy (and somewhat surprised) that Ronnie is signing for us.Callumcafc said:Bloody hell, he’s not exactly a youngster with a scratchy bit of potential a la Piotr P. He just came off a season top scoring in the top league in Denmark and his team just qualified for the Champions League.
Given the world we live in today, I would be surprised if he wasn’t on multiple clubs radars including ours.
Willing to bet that the Danish thing is a coincidence.I think he’ll prove some of the doubters wrong.3 - Sponsored links:
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"Scores goals out of nothing" is exactly the type of striker we need. What an actual goalscorer should be like.10
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I'm convinced clubs will find a way around it. Wouldn't surprise if we suddenly saw a new foreign signings wife/family member employed as a translator, Josh Cullen's girlfriend employed in an office role, Maddison's Dad employed as a consultant.Garrymanilow said:I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at our level looking abroad a bit more under the cap. Now that a player can comfortably make a lot more money sitting on the bench for a Championship side or face taking a massive pay cut compared to their previous salary I think we'll see more work going into finding good players in leagues that have never been able to pay as much. We've lost our advantage compared to teams around us so we might just have to take advantage of poorer leagues. It's not ideal given it's always a gamble, but teams might not have a lot of other choice
If you're buying a striker for 500k and giving him a 2 year deal, could you not agree that the deal will instead be 750k and pay the player extra 250k in wages over the course of his contract?
Must be ways to get creative. TS needs to get Freshfields on the case.3 -
How does his credentials stack up compared to say more established Dad’s like Andy Delort’s?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm convinced clubs will find a way around it. Wouldn't surprise if we suddenly saw a new foreign signings wife/family member employed as a translator, Josh Cullen's girlfriend employed in an office role, Maddison's Dad employed as a consultant.Garrymanilow said:I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at our level looking abroad a bit more under the cap. Now that a player can comfortably make a lot more money sitting on the bench for a Championship side or face taking a massive pay cut compared to their previous salary I think we'll see more work going into finding good players in leagues that have never been able to pay as much. We've lost our advantage compared to teams around us so we might just have to take advantage of poorer leagues. It's not ideal given it's always a gamble, but teams might not have a lot of other choice
If you're buying a striker for 500k and giving him a 2 year deal, could you not agree that the deal will instead be 750k and pay the player extra 250k in wages over the course of his contract?
Must be ways to get creative. TS needs to get Freshfields on the case.9 -
Me too🤞mart77 said:Thanks for the speedy reply. Looks like an exciting season ahead and I’m still hopeful than my winning the league bet stands a chance!1 -
I very much doubt most clubs will operate using principles of the Matt Southall school of Management Accounting.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm convinced clubs will find a way around it. Wouldn't surprise if we suddenly saw a new foreign signings wife/family member employed as a translator, Josh Cullen's girlfriend employed in an office role, Maddison's Dad employed as a consultant.Garrymanilow said:I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at our level looking abroad a bit more under the cap. Now that a player can comfortably make a lot more money sitting on the bench for a Championship side or face taking a massive pay cut compared to their previous salary I think we'll see more work going into finding good players in leagues that have never been able to pay as much. We've lost our advantage compared to teams around us so we might just have to take advantage of poorer leagues. It's not ideal given it's always a gamble, but teams might not have a lot of other choice
If you're buying a striker for 500k and giving him a 2 year deal, could you not agree that the deal will instead be 750k and pay the player extra 250k in wages over the course of his contract?
Must be ways to get creative. TS needs to get Freshfields on the case.0 -
Yes - but you have to wonder if the player you are getting for 2k a week is champo quality ?SmileLikePender said:Am I correct in thinking that promotion bonuses and 'increases in salaries after promotion' are excluded from the cap? So clubs could offer a contract of £2,000 a week this season rising to £8,000 a week next season if the club is promoted to the Championship?If so, then that could be a reason why a lot more players are now becoming available to us, because they can see TS has the resources to offer contracts like that.And given the choice of 2k and then maybe 8k if we get promotion or 5k to be a bit part player for a champo team , I am sure the player would take the 5k now.0 -
If they’re without a club we can sign them pretty much at any time during the season.Oggy Red said:
Bowyer said tonight that they are now being offered new players all the time.Paddy Powell said:
I agree. I think that wage/agent demands went up when TS arrived.killerandflash said:I can't help thinking Bowyer is playing the "we can't spend due to the cap rules" to drive down the expectations of some of the players and their agents
Pre-takeover we apparently had signings 'lined up'. If you believe what LB has said tonight, then that was either total bullshit or they lined them up completely unaware of the existence of a wage cap. I can't believe those scenarios.
Evidently some better players without a club are getting a bit anxious as the end of the window approaches.
Bowyer said the wage cap is the challenge - I guess it's about trying to get the best players for the least money, and get it all to fit under the wage cap.
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I don't think that observation is correct in relation to Parker. The thing was, Bowyer was waiting on a player but with the window about to close, Parker was signed as a form of insurance in case that went wrong. It would have been impossible to move on to another target afterwards.cafcfan1990 said:
It was said in jest although I have to say I disagree with you. I don't think you can say Bowyer has always waited for quality rather than rushing.Oggy Red said:
Nothing like a transfer embargo that nobody knew about at the time, is there?cafcfan1990 said:
That's true, I remember panicking throughout January. Thank god we managed to get Davis, Smith and McGeady in though otherwise we would really have struggled.Oggy Red said:
Bowyer's always tried to go for quality rather than just average players - and has been prepared to wait.Covered End said:I'm pleased most everyone are content to wait for the right players, rather than sign the wrong players.
43 games to go.
Signing Beilik and Cullen on loan just in time before the window closed springs to mind.
And as you say, 43 games to go. Almost the whole season left. Bowyer's still planning for promotion, you bet.
To be clear, I'm not blaming him in the slightest because of the circumstances surrounding each of the windows. But apart from the first, with Bielik and Cullen as you mention, I don't see any evidence that Bowyer has patiently waited for the right player. In the second, RD gave him nothing so he ended up signing Parker out of desperation. Last summer again he had nothing so we were missing out on players because of desirory wage offers, ending up with players like Hemed and Kayal. Then in January we had to wait until deadline day to sign pretty much anyone with two legs.
Like I said, the blame is put entirely on others such as RD and Southall but I don't think you can confidently say Bowyer has patiently waited to sign the right player. He's been left with no choice in pretty much every window with mixed results. I do still have faith in Gallen and Bowyer, their first transfer window was a big success and with more of a budget I trust them to build a competitive squad.
As it turned out, despite not scoring, Parker did play an important part in our promotion.7 -
Many won't as most of the division won't have issues staying with the cap, but i'm sure some clubs will try and find a way around it.mendonca said:
I very much doubt most clubs will operate using principles of the Matt Southall school of Management Accounting.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm convinced clubs will find a way around it. Wouldn't surprise if we suddenly saw a new foreign signings wife/family member employed as a translator, Josh Cullen's girlfriend employed in an office role, Maddison's Dad employed as a consultant.Garrymanilow said:I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at our level looking abroad a bit more under the cap. Now that a player can comfortably make a lot more money sitting on the bench for a Championship side or face taking a massive pay cut compared to their previous salary I think we'll see more work going into finding good players in leagues that have never been able to pay as much. We've lost our advantage compared to teams around us so we might just have to take advantage of poorer leagues. It's not ideal given it's always a gamble, but teams might not have a lot of other choice
If you're buying a striker for 500k and giving him a 2 year deal, could you not agree that the deal will instead be 750k and pay the player extra 250k in wages over the course of his contract?
Must be ways to get creative. TS needs to get Freshfields on the case.1 -
Cawley said that’s unlikely to happen when I suggested something similar yesterday.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Many won't as most of the division won't have issues staying with the cap, but i'm sure some clubs will try and find a way around it.mendonca said:
I very much doubt most clubs will operate using principles of the Matt Southall school of Management Accounting.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm convinced clubs will find a way around it. Wouldn't surprise if we suddenly saw a new foreign signings wife/family member employed as a translator, Josh Cullen's girlfriend employed in an office role, Maddison's Dad employed as a consultant.Garrymanilow said:I wouldn't be surprised to see teams at our level looking abroad a bit more under the cap. Now that a player can comfortably make a lot more money sitting on the bench for a Championship side or face taking a massive pay cut compared to their previous salary I think we'll see more work going into finding good players in leagues that have never been able to pay as much. We've lost our advantage compared to teams around us so we might just have to take advantage of poorer leagues. It's not ideal given it's always a gamble, but teams might not have a lot of other choice
If you're buying a striker for 500k and giving him a 2 year deal, could you not agree that the deal will instead be 750k and pay the player extra 250k in wages over the course of his contract?
Must be ways to get creative. TS needs to get Freshfields on the case.1
