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Summer Transfer Rumours 2020 (DEADLINE DAY from pg.258)
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I am not saying we shouldn't have sold Bonne. But given the salary cap issue and our lack of strikers we should have told QPR that we will need to replace him before we sell him. I am confident Sandgaard wouldn't have disagreed with this approach. Duchatelet would but the way we have gone about this makes no sense. We are also indicating to potential selling clubs we have money from the sale. It makes no football sense. But if we have somebody who may not be better but fits us better lined up, I take it back.
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.4 -
Young academy player who had an ineffective loan spell at QPRSage said:
Agree with this, he needs a move to a League One club to reignite his career a little bit.cafcfan1990 said:What about Jack Clarke, Spurs winger/forward who they signed from Leeds. Only played 6 games at QPR so I'm not sure a load of Champ clubs will be interested and move to League 1 might do him good.
Leeds got the deal of the century selling him for £9mil with a sell on. He went back on loan at Leeds and didn’t play, went to QPR and didn’t get a look in. He only got the move as he burst onto the scene and done well. Someone like Bow is probably exactly what he needs.
He would have to play out wide though, by no means is he a forward.
That sounds a bit too much like Matt Smith to me!1 -
I'm almost certain that Bowyer feels the same.MuttleyCAFC said:I am not saying we shouldn't have sold Bonne. But given the salary cap issue and our lack of strikers we should have told QPR that we will need to replace him before we sell him. I am confident Sandgaard wouldn't have disagreed with this approach. Duchatelet would but the way we have gone about this makes no sense. We are also indicating to potential selling clubs we have money from the sale. It makes no football sense. But if we have somebody who may not be better but fits us better lined up, I take it back.
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.0 -
Clearly there is no reasoning with you on this and you know more than Bowyer and Gallen.MuttleyCAFC said:I am not saying we shouldn't have sold Bonne. But given the salary cap issue and our lack of strikers we should have told QPR that we will need to replace him before we sell him. I am confident Sandgaard wouldn't have disagreed with this approach. Duchatelet would but the way we have gone about this makes no sense. We are also indicating to potential selling clubs we have money from the sale. It makes no football sense. But if we have somebody who may not be better but fits us better lined up, I take it back.
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.Let’s get you in the dugout.2 -
Are you 14 years old.
While your doing your colouring books tonight, I will be at a football match, like I was last night and Saturday afternoon.
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I wonder if this thread would have taken a different direction if the transfer window that shut yesterday had never existed, and it was just the 16th that was relevant5
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That is a very good shout... He's class aswrllcafcfan1990 said:What about Jack Clarke, Spurs winger/forward who they signed from Leeds. Only played 6 games at QPR so I'm not sure a load of Champ clubs will be interested and move to League 1 might do him good.2 -
Coming from the bloke that’s spent the whole evening telling everyone how great he is.soapboxsam said:Are you 14 years old.
While your doing your colouring books tonight, I will be at a football match, like I was last night and Saturday afternoon.Peculiar behaviour.7 -
Any suggestionsBR7_addick said:If we are going to start talking about getting rid of a young, up and coming, attack minded, football on the ground, sought after manager who has previously worked wonders.
Can I be the first to suggest we replace him with a young, up and coming, attack minded, football on the ground, sought after manager who has previously worked wonders?
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Yes I was...sirjohnhumphrey said:
Sorry but that’s disgusting...ValleyGary said:soapboxsam said:Laddick01 said:Lee Bowyer, alongside Gallen and Jackson is one of the very few positives this football club has had to hold onto over the past 4/5 years.
Macauley Bonne, a player who openly admitting to having his head turned, was sold for a price that was really good considering our situation.
Bowyer has been consistently screwed. Whether it be through negligent owners or this new EFL cap. But yeah, let’s sack the one man who has kept this club afloat in its most turbulent time if he doesn’t reach top 6.Sometimes I think we have the most clueless fan base in football.
I believe we have clueless fans regarding football matters, but @MuttleyCAFC isn't one of them.
He has managed at an older group than I did but anyone who coaches, manages and decides tactics that wins a League or cup has my respect. The pro game or grass roots.
If I was modest and not so gobby, I wouldn't mentioned that I won a 32 team cup tournament with being the lowest ranked team but always blow your own trumpet in life because no one else will.
Muttley is one of the best posters on here even if this statement is dynamite.
I believe Lee Bowyer deserves backing for the rest of this season but he has lost his Mojo which is understandable with the nightmare of disasters that happened on and off the pitch last season.
Will Lee Bowyer get sacked by Thomas Sandgaard if Charlton are mid table or outside the top 6 at the end of season.?
Yes, because TS is a very ambitious man.
but we have two windows to get rid of deadwood and bring in talent.
I really hope Lee can achieve again.
Like me and Muttley, Bowyer is a course and distance WINNER.
is he wearing Crocs?!
Now would you mind calling the ambulance service as I appear to be stuck4 - Sponsored links:
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Man this place can be pathetic.6
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Is there such a thing as a guaranteed 20 goal a season striker? Are you claiming Bonne would have got 20 goals this season if he stayed?charltonbob said:
Not Bowyers fault with the transfer embargo meaning little business could be done + the wage cap has further hindered almost any chance of getting a guaranteed 20 goal a season striker. Just makes selling Bonne senseless before bringing in replacements. We are left with Washington who has scored 54 goals in league & international football in 8 years. Major cock up IN MY OPINION, as I said at the weekend everyone will know that we're desperate.cafcfan1990 said:
I just hope he wasn't completely dependant on Schwartz. I don't doubt we'll sign two strikers, but hope they are not desperate signings for the sake of it.ForeverAddickted said:
No but I'd be surprised if he doesnt bemoan the fact he couldnt get a replacement if thats what happens by next FridayCovered End said:
I'm not aware that he has been moaning about replacing Bonne.MuttleyCAFC said:If bowyer doesn't get us top six this season I reckon we should get somebody who can. We are not there yet, but we shouldn't be making excuses for him before the season has got going. I'm sure he didn't have to sell a £2m player. It is down to him to replace and not moan about it.
Please read carefully, I am not saying sack him. But I am saying don't give him a free pass to fail.It is a team game and there are so many factors that come into a play that it makes that claim nonsense.
I believe that Bows and co know what they are doing, and certainly know better than anyone on this site.0 -
Joe Taylor is a proper number 9 all round forward currently at his prime, he could play higher but league one is a massive gap. He is a Charlton fan as well.soapboxsam said:Bradley Wright-Phillips scored the Goals in the Chris Powell created team in League 1, and all the components of a successful side came together.
It was a shame that Bradley was more into his computer games (his words) as he was more than capable of improving his work rate and scoring goals in the Championship. Being called a lazy Bastard to his face after a home defeat in the League cup by some guys from the Covered end (in the west stand for that game) didn't help, and Bradley decided to try his luck in New York and become a prolific goal scorer in the MLS.
126 goals in 240 games for New York Red bull team has made him a legend with the fans.
Still playing and scoring for Los Angeles FC last time I checked.
Not bad for "a lazy Bastard"
I want a double act up front for Cafc.
Still feel gutted that the Grant and Taylor didn't last long enough and Taylor/Bonne would have worked and Bonne would've been more consistent playing alongside Lyle.
I'm watching many prolific goal scorers in lower League football, Joe Taylor 40 in 40 for Cray Wanderers but the step up is too great.
Steve Gallen has the network of contacts.
National League or League 2 goal scorers may have to be the answer.1 -
How come we're waffling on backwards and forwards about BWP, MB, whether LB is brilliant or shit and everything except the fact that we seem to have two players, Koiki and Gunter, on the verge of signing for us - one of whom has already played in a CAFC team that has just beaten Millwall. Or aren't we bothered about that any more?1
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Hope he doesnt get too used to it!!Wheresmeticket? said:How come we're waffling on backwards and forwards about BWP, MB, whether LB is brilliant or shit and everything except the fact that we seem to have two players, Koiki and Gunter, on the verge of signing for us - one of whom has already played in a CAFC team that has just beaten Millwall. Or aren't we bothered about that any more?1 -
Nobody is saying it isn’t, what people are questioning is the laughable suggestion that Bowyer should be sacked if we finish 7th.MuttleyCAFC said:
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.8 -
Take that shit to the transfer thread......Wheresmeticket? said:How come we're waffling on backwards and forwards about BWP, MB, whether LB is brilliant or shit and everything except the fact that we seem to have two players, Koiki and Gunter, on the verge of signing for us - one of whom has already played in a CAFC team that has just beaten Millwall. Or aren't we bothered about that any more?
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Only Sandgaard knows if Bow will keep his job if we're not performing. He specifically said he wanted exciting football.ElliotCAFC said:
Nobody is saying it isn’t, what people are questioning is the laughable suggestion that Bowyer should be sacked if we finish 7th.MuttleyCAFC said:
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.1 -
And I can't forget the dynamic front foot manager Bowyer was before all this ESI crap. We now have a new owner and I expect that manager to return. I would like it to happen sooner rather than later, but i still have faith. It is just that it isn't blind faith!2
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Few players at Everton that need game time and are worth looking at... Callum Connolly, Matt Pennington, Josh Bowler, Ellis Simms.1
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I can’t speak for Thomas but for most fans, winning football is exciting football. My feeling is that league one is like quicksand. You fall into it and it’s a bastard to get yourself out again. Frankly getting out is the sole objective and by any means possible. Great if it’s pretty but as long as you win the matches and get the points that’s all that’s required. The standard in league one is generally awful and getting third tier players playing like Liverpool ain’t ever going to happen. For me it’s about getting a really tight defence and finding a 20 goal a season striker. At present Charlton fail on both counts. The wage cap stops a club with a few Bob and an ambitious owner buying their way out. The manager is all important in getting enough out of his players to get promoted. I actually think getting out of this league could easily take three years again and if the cap remains even then I think we will require a lot of luck.Dazzler21 said:
Only Sandgaard knows if Bow will keep his job if we're not performing. He specifically said he wanted exciting football.ElliotCAFC said:
Nobody is saying it isn’t, what people are questioning is the laughable suggestion that Bowyer should be sacked if we finish 7th.MuttleyCAFC said:
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.8 -
MuttleyCAFC said:And I can't forget the dynamic front foot manager Bowyer was before all this ESI crap. We now have a new owner and I expect that manager to return. I would like it to happen sooner rather than later, but i still have faith. It is just that it isn't blind faith!
Gee, it’s almost as if he’s had his squad decimated season after season with no way to sign the replacements he wants to play exciting football.Dazzler21 said:
Only Sandgaard knows if Bow will keep his job if we're not performing. He specifically said he wanted exciting football.ElliotCAFC said:
Nobody is saying it isn’t, what people are questioning is the laughable suggestion that Bowyer should be sacked if we finish 7th.MuttleyCAFC said:
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.I know football fans are fickle but fucking hell11 -
Yeah I more meant a forward as wide in a 433. Gives us another option to compete with Maddison/Doughty so that if one of them was injured or needed a rest we could play the same formation.Sage said:
Agree with this, he needs a move to a League One club to reignite his career a little bit.cafcfan1990 said:What about Jack Clarke, Spurs winger/forward who they signed from Leeds. Only played 6 games at QPR so I'm not sure a load of Champ clubs will be interested and move to League 1 might do him good.
Leeds got the deal of the century selling him for £9mil with a sell on. He went back on loan at Leeds and didn’t play, went to QPR and didn’t get a look in. He only got the move as he burst onto the scene and done well. Someone like Bow is probably exactly what he needs.
He would have to play out wide though, by no means is he a forward.1 -
It’s taken us three seasons to get out of this league the last couple of times. Of course I want promotion this year, but given that this transfer window is turning into a bit of a shambles and the previous amount of time it’s taken us to get out I would say that finishing 7th shouldn’t be an automatic sacking for Bowyer.
If we finish 7th but it feels like we’re building towards something then it would be nuts to throw it away due to our own sense of entitlement.But what do I know, I’ve never won the Bexley u-13’s fourth division cup.9 -
I don't know I have seen plenty of league 1 teams play like Liverpool did on Sunday....ShootersHillGuru said:
I can’t speak for Thomas but for most fans, winning football is exciting football. My feeling is that league one is like quicksand. You fall into it and it’s a bastard to get yourself out again. Frankly getting out is the sole objective and by any means possible. Great if it’s pretty but as long as you win the matches and get the points that’s all that’s required. The standard in league one is generally awful and getting third tier players playing like Liverpool ain’t ever going to happen. For me it’s about getting a really tight defence and finding a 20 goal a season striker. At present Charlton fail on both counts. The wage cap stops a club with a few Bob and an ambitious owner buying their way out. The manager is all important in getting enough out of his players to get promoted. I actually think getting out of this league could easily take three years again and if the cap remains even then I think we will require a lot of luck.Dazzler21 said:
Only Sandgaard knows if Bow will keep his job if we're not performing. He specifically said he wanted exciting football.ElliotCAFC said:
Nobody is saying it isn’t, what people are questioning is the laughable suggestion that Bowyer should be sacked if we finish 7th.MuttleyCAFC said:
And yes, I think 7th in this league is failure.
Thats not what you meant is it?3 -
Pennington is 26 today! Barely ever played for them, decent amount of games in Championship over last 3 years though.Callumcafc said:Few players at Everton that need game time and are worth looking at... Callum Connolly, Matt Pennington, Josh Bowler, Ellis Simms.2 -
If we finish 7th in this crap league, I doubt it will feel like we are building towards something. The difference may be, I do not expect us to finish 7th. I expect us to do better. And I hope and believe Bowyer feels the same and has a bit more ambition than some of you lot. And I have been stating what I think failure looks like. And yes, failure has consequences in football. Of course, what is important is what Sandgaard thinks failure looks like.
I am willing to accept that Bowyer has a plan in relation to selling Bonne. I am waiting to see what it is without the awareness of what it could be. When he achieves it, it will be an example of his strengths as a manager. He is like the magician which will have me saying, how did he do that?
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If we now sign 1 or 2 attacking players (as well as the at least 2 defenders we obviously need) and pin all our hopes on 433, or a version of, I would start questioning Bowyer.cafcfan1990 said:
Yeah I more meant a forward as wide in a 433. Gives us another option to compete with Maddison/Doughty so that if one of them was injured or needed a rest we could play the same formation.Sage said:
Agree with this, he needs a move to a League One club to reignite his career a little bit.cafcfan1990 said:What about Jack Clarke, Spurs winger/forward who they signed from Leeds. Only played 6 games at QPR so I'm not sure a load of Champ clubs will be interested and move to League 1 might do him good.
Leeds got the deal of the century selling him for £9mil with a sell on. He went back on loan at Leeds and didn’t play, went to QPR and didn’t get a look in. He only got the move as he burst onto the scene and done well. Someone like Bow is probably exactly what he needs.
He would have to play out wide though, by no means is he a forward.
If that's then backed up with a few in and few out fair enough but he started with 1 player who's best position is in a front 3 and 4 or 5 that could/should never play in one.
Since August 2018 he has specifically bought players to play the diamond. He even started playing it without the players to do it.
Yes have a plan B, yes change it to fit in an exceptionally good player but don't rip it up for a 20 year old with less than 10 months on his contract.0 -
We've got Maddison now too. We've got the players to play both a 433 and a 442 diamond now. Be nice to vary up rather than just play 1 formation a la Robinson.Cafc43v3r said:
If we now sign 1 or 2 attacking players (as well as the at least 2 defenders we obviously need) and pin all our hopes on 433, or a version of, I would start questioning Bowyer.cafcfan1990 said:
Yeah I more meant a forward as wide in a 433. Gives us another option to compete with Maddison/Doughty so that if one of them was injured or needed a rest we could play the same formation.Sage said:
Agree with this, he needs a move to a League One club to reignite his career a little bit.cafcfan1990 said:What about Jack Clarke, Spurs winger/forward who they signed from Leeds. Only played 6 games at QPR so I'm not sure a load of Champ clubs will be interested and move to League 1 might do him good.
Leeds got the deal of the century selling him for £9mil with a sell on. He went back on loan at Leeds and didn’t play, went to QPR and didn’t get a look in. He only got the move as he burst onto the scene and done well. Someone like Bow is probably exactly what he needs.
He would have to play out wide though, by no means is he a forward.
If that's then backed up with a few in and few out fair enough but he started with 1 player who's best position is in a front 3 and 4 or 5 that could/should never play in one.
Since August 2018 he has specifically bought players to play the diamond. He even started playing it without the players to do it.
Yes have a plan B, yes change it to fit in an exceptionally good player but don't rip it up for a 20 year old with less than 10 months on his contract.0 -
I expect us to finish top six too, but I’d understand if we didn’t, we hit rock bottom in the build up to TS and there’s no blame on Bowyer for that.MuttleyCAFC said:If we finish 7th in this crap league, I doubt it will feel like we are building towards something. The difference may be, I do not expect us to finish 7th. I expect us to do better. And I hope and believe Bowyer feels the same and has a bit more ambition than some of you lot. And I have been stating what I think failure looks like. And yes, failure has consequences in football. Of course, what is important is what Sandgaard thinks failure looks like.
I am willing to accept that Bowyer has a plan in relation to selling Bonne. I am waiting to see what it is without the awareness of what it could be. When he achieves it, it will be an example of his strengths as a manager. He is like the magician which will have me saying, how did he do that?
Bowyer is not safe for life if that’s what you’re implying which I think most agree with but for him to even be considered for the elbow this season for me we’d have to finish bottom 8ish.10
