How Likely Are You To Take The Covid Vaccine?

soapboxsam said:

stevexreeve said:

Everyone who has the vaccine should be entered into a draw to win a Range Rover.

That should help push up the uptake.

Nearly right Steve:
Everyone who has the Vaccines, can have the knowledge they played a part in not only potentially stopping their selves being ill but most importantly, as the vast majority of us won't be sick ourselves; passing the virus on to someone who could die from the pandemic or have long-covid with complications for years to come.

Do the people demonstrating or ignoring the social distancing, not wearing masks in shops, trains and buses or outside in crowds, still not get this salient point?  You may be Asymptomatic and a super spreader who has created a chain reaction and pushed the R up.

Garrymanilow said:

iainment said:

Garrymanilow said:

iainment said:

I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications. 

Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state. 

Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory

The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t.
I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me.
The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.

I think you've missed my point completely. I'm not saying that you carry all those things with you, the point is that you have those things, and seemingly willingly live in the environment where this happens regularly. No-one needs you to carry your house ownership with you but you've still let the state know where you live. If the police see you in your car they can run your license plate and through your insurance identify where you live. Your experience of not being ID'd in a pub is irrelevant; you still need ID if you are to be served in a pub, some places just either judge based on your appearance or don't care. I'm sure if a pub owner could tell you were vaccinated by your appearance then they wouldn't ID you, and I've no doubt that plenty of places would flout a vaccine passport rule anyway if they thought they could get away with it. Also you've actually said it yourself; when you were trying to illegally drink you were either allowed to or not. That's exactly what would be happening with a vaccine passport. All these things are just as intrusive as needing a document to be allowed to go into a shop or bar so a global pandemic can be halted, so I don't know why you think that would be going too far.

soapboxsam said:

stevexreeve said:

Everyone who has the vaccine should be entered into a draw to win a Range Rover.

That should help push up the uptake.

Nearly right Steve:
Everyone who has the Vaccines, can have the knowledge they played a part in not only potentially stopping their selves being ill but most importantly, as the vast majority of us won't be sick ourselves; passing the virus on to someone who could die from the pandemic or have long-covid with complications for years to come.

Do the people demonstrating or ignoring the social distancing, not wearing masks in shops, trains and buses or outside in crowds, still not get this salient point?  You may be Asymptomatic and a super spreader who has created a chain reaction and pushed the R up.

iainment said:

Garrymanilow said:

iainment said:

Garrymanilow said:

iainment said:

I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications. 

Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state. 

Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory

The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t.
I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me.
The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.

I think you've missed my point completely. I'm not saying that you carry all those things with you, the point is that you have those things, and seemingly willingly live in the environment where this happens regularly. No-one needs you to carry your house ownership with you but you've still let the state know where you live. If the police see you in your car they can run your license plate and through your insurance identify where you live. Your experience of not being ID'd in a pub is irrelevant; you still need ID if you are to be served in a pub, some places just either judge based on your appearance or don't care. I'm sure if a pub owner could tell you were vaccinated by your appearance then they wouldn't ID you, and I've no doubt that plenty of places would flout a vaccine passport rule anyway if they thought they could get away with it. Also you've actually said it yourself; when you were trying to illegally drink you were either allowed to or not. That's exactly what would be happening with a vaccine passport. All these things are just as intrusive as needing a document to be allowed to go into a shop or bar so a global pandemic can be halted, so I don't know why you think that would be going too far.

I don’t have a car.

Dave Rudd said:

Addickted said:

You can have a vegan 'flu vaccine.

I asked the very question when I was asked if I was allergic to eggs when I had mine last week.

It's an interesting moral dilemma.

In terms of the Covid-19 vaccine, would many vegans risk death for their vegan principles?

Redrobo said:

Dave Rudd said:

Addickted said:

You can have a vegan 'flu vaccine.

I asked the very question when I was asked if I was allergic to eggs when I had mine last week.

It's an interesting moral dilemma.

In terms of the Covid-19 vaccine, would many vegans risk death for their vegan principles?

Or indeed the death of others.

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

thewolfboy said:

Got sent this. I assume it's true?

If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.

Unless others die as a result?

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

thewolfboy said:

Got sent this. I assume it's true?

If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.

Unless others die as a result?

I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.

Phew!

That's OK then.

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Covered End said:

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

thewolfboy said:

Got sent this. I assume it's true?

If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.

Unless others die as a result?

I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.

Phew!

That's OK then.

I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity.
So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential.
If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.

I'll go round administering it to em with blowpipe if it comes to that mate

iainment said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Covered End said:

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

Dave Rudd said:

Covered End said:

thewolfboy said:

Got sent this. I assume it's true?

If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.

Unless others die as a result?

I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.

Phew!

That's OK then.

I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity.
So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential.
If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.

I'll go round administering it to em with blowpipe if it comes to that mate

What’s the range of your blow pipe?

AddickUpNorth said:

Redrobo said:

Don’t like killing animals but don’t mind humans dying. That would be very we weird.
Sometimes you gotta look at the big picture guys.

Must’ve missed where any vegans have said they don’t mind humans dying. 

Anyhoo, to stop this going off topic I think it would be wise to divert this discussion away from the ethical beliefs of a minority of the population as Covered End rightly points out. We can always revisit it if it becomes necessary.