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Lee Bowyer on his substitutions at Swindon and learning from past mistakes

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  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,795
    edited December 2020
    I'm glad he has been asked the question and addressed it, but the response does not fill me with confidence that he would do it any differently if it happened again
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,223
    Attacking is a form of defence. We would have wrapped up the game with another goal. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    I'm glad he has been asked the question and addressed it, but the response does not feel me with confidence that he would do it any differently if it happened again
    Exactly. I don’t think the goal was down to any mistake, just by allowing pressure. Sounds like he’ll do it again and isn’t taking responsibility. I’m not against doing it full stop, but we’ve done it on occasions where it wasn’t necessary and last week was a prime example of that. 
  • You can have the best defenders in the world but if you sit back and try and defend a 1 goal lead , it only needs a deflected shot and you can concede. You have to have a goal threat , getting the two goal cushion can kill the game
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,511
    edited December 2020
    Disappointing response really. He mentioned their winger going past Purrington a couples of times, is it just me that thinks bringing him on at left back when we're winning is a bad idea? Yes Maatsen is decent at left mid but you don't tinker with the defence unless an injury or someone's having a mare. 
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,846
    edited December 2020
    Learning from mistakes doesn’t have to mean doing things differently. It can and should mean doing things better. Or all you do is yo-yo between two unsuccessful tactics. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,389
    WE DIDN'T 'KEEP BREAKING ON THEM' LEE FFS
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,921
    Worrying really. You shouldn't be dwelling on a game 2 years ago to make decisions on. What about the games over the last few weeks ? I really hope we are not winning by 1 goal this weekend with 20 mins to go and the same substitutes happen and the normal result ensures. It could get messy 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    edited December 2020
    So because of ONE game versus Coventry we've adopted this strategy of trying to cling on for wins, despite the fact that so many times it hasn't worked?
    I remember the Coventry game being irritating as they were not in it and got two late goals. But I don't think we were really going for the win at the end because I think I blamed that partially for the defeat. Bowyer's explanation felt like an excuse to me.

    I remember having to see the headmaster a few times when at school and trying to concoct a story that never got you off. If Bowyer is going to look back to a game a couple of years ago, why not look to more recent games too? 



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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,008
    Not really what I was looking for it terms of assessment but at least he admitted he’s learning. Why not say that after the game and then relieve a bit of pressure off yourself. That’s better for fans to hear than digging out players.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    edited December 2020
    Actions speak louder than words anyway. Let's not see this sort of thing against weak sides again.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,335
    Leuth said:
    WE DIDN'T 'KEEP BREAKING ON THEM' LEE FFS
    Yes we did.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,498
    Talal said:
    Disappointing response really. He mentioned their winger going past Purrington a couples of times, is it just me that thinks bringing him on at left back when we're winning is a bad idea? Yes Maatsen is decent at left mid but you don't tinker with the defence unless an injury or someone's having a mare. 
    Nope. Was about to write the same thing before I saw your post.

    Purrington is a very weak defensive full back. He copes badly with speed and flair. He's been skinned so many times this season and others.

    Doesn't look like the actions of a bloke that's learned much.





  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,725
    What a load of old bollox. Bowyer has seriously lost the plot. So, because 2 years ago we let in 2 goals in the last 5 minutes he now thinks it's best to have 6 defenders on the pitch in the dying minutes.......even though it didnt work away to Birmingham, away at Shrewsbury and last week.

    As I've said before.......coaching badges are worth jack-shit. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,728
    edited December 2020
    Hence why he should never bother explaining himself, will never please everyone

    The truth will only ever be what the fans decide it'll be
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,389
    Redrobo said:
    Leuth said:
    WE DIDN'T 'KEEP BREAKING ON THEM' LEE FFS
    Yes we did.
    After we brought Matthews on? Nuh-uh
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,284
    Hence why he should never bother explaining himself, will never please everyone

    The truth will only ever be what the fans decide it'll be
    Has he pleased anyone ?
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,284
    edited December 2020
    Personally I think this is just a bit of PR bollox, I imagine someone at the club has noticed the shitstorm going on with the fans totally pissed off at last weeks tactics & they've decided to address this somehow & LB has come out with this total rubbish about he's learning, well obviously he's not is he ? So end of the day we're going to see the same defensive rubbish & he'll play himself out of a job.

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,728
    edited December 2020
    Hence why he should never bother explaining himself, will never please everyone

    The truth will only ever be what the fans decide it'll be
    Has he pleased anyone ?
    Good point, you're right, he didnt please anyone when we got promoted...

    Out of curiosity if he doesnt go with the same defensive rubbish, will you and other fans happily admit you were wrong?
  • Leuth said:
    Redrobo said:
    Leuth said:
    WE DIDN'T 'KEEP BREAKING ON THEM' LEE FFS
    Yes we did.
    After we brought Matthews on? Nuh-uh
    Matthews came on in the 72nd minute... Read the minutes against Louis' tweets?
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,218
    So because of ONE game versus Coventry we've adopted this strategy of trying to cling on for wins, despite the fact that so many times it hasn't worked?
    To be fair, I don't think he's actually saying that so much as using it as an example of the scenario when he makes that change
  • Not an overly convincing explanation.
  • So because of ONE game versus Coventry we've adopted this strategy of trying to cling on for wins, despite the fact that so many times it hasn't worked?
    To be fair, I don't think he's actually saying that so much as using it as an example of the scenario when he makes that change
    Exactly, same when he used Scunthorpe two years ago to describe the Burton result
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    edited December 2020
    So Lee Bowyer mentions the Coventry home game which I remember so well.
    I thought this was the game when he changed.
    At 1-1 a long ball came into the penalty area and Ward(he was on loan) and Taylor put each other off and neither got a decent header off. Moments later, Coventry hits cafc on the break and won 2-1.

    When you are 2-1 up against Swindon a team that has conceded the most goals in the league and are on a losing streak you don't retreat.

    I have always given Lee Bowyer 100% support and will continue to, but I believe he has made mistakes inviting pressure and giving teams like Shrewsbury and Swindon etc a lifeline. My training and reading in sports psychology is to demoralise you opponent not give them a second chance.
    You should be humble when you win but ruthless during the game.

    It's his shout but the result said he got it wrong. 

    If Inniss and Famewo were playing you could say it makes sense. They weren't playing and it was a mistake.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,834
    Can’t wait for Russell Slade to come back in 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,335
    Leuth said:
    Redrobo said:
    Leuth said:
    WE DIDN'T 'KEEP BREAKING ON THEM' LEE FFS
    Yes we did.
    After we brought Matthews on? Nuh-uh
    Yes we did.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    wmcf123 said:
    Can’t wait for Russell Slade to come back in 
    Be patient.

  • Has he ever come out and given explanations like that before?

    I’m wondering if Sandgaard has seen all the negative comments and encouraged him to do so.

    Still isn’t a good explanation but it is communication and I think TS believes in the importance of communication.