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Simple poll. The Valley or new stadium.
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Stay at the Valley, fill in the SW/SE corners, move away fans to the SW corner, capacity c32-35k - more than enough.
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I just don't buy the idea for more then 32k seats at the Valley, where is this sudden flow of support going to come from, unless you buy into Richard Murray's constant nonsense about people moving to SE London and Kent willing to abandon their clubs and come flocking to the Valley. They might for one or two games a season, but you're not selling 20k season tickets to these people.5
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Stay at the Valley, we have left a couple of times and both almost led to disaster. If we hadn’t gotten promoted that year at Selhurst we may not have had a club left to support.
All this worry about expanding the ground, I personally think after this pandemic the way people watch live sport may change. I can see more streaming of games/ events.0 -
The south corners and an improved JS stand would surely be enough, my concern would be could the station cope, I would then think the club may have to become involved in some way.1
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There just needs to be better links to North Greenwich, and to Woolwich for Crossrail (which should be open within the TS timeline for promotion) if you can get a decent bus link to those two stations you take a load of pressure off Charlton station, you also get Valley Express running at the levels it used to.jonseventyfive said:The south corners and an improved JS stand would surely be enough, my concern would be could the station cope, I would then think the club may have to become involved in some way.1 -
One of my fave things about the Valley is its a modern(ish) stadium in a traditional football ground location. You walk down a row of terraced houses and real places people live in to get to the ground.
Its sad to me that a lot of kids who support teams with new stadiums will only ever know a matchday "experience" of going to a bland industrial estrate with a stadium attached.7 -
Is this an annual thing now? I see this thread was started in Jan 2020 and we have been discussing moving from the Valley since around 1925. In the years since we left the Prem we have seen less of it. Really, we are never going to need a stadium bigger than the Valley. Even if we return to the Prem we could potentially increase capacity to 40k.
Anyway the Valley is the Valley.
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The valley all day long...but doesn't roly own it so who knows.0
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Its not really a suprise that a topic like this might pop up when a new owner comes in though is it? Theres a chance that TS has probably had thoughts about Charltons future in terms of stadium, and of course we have a special relationship with our ground, perhaps a stronger bond then most other teams who have never really had to fight to keep playing in it. As such any murmurings of moving to a new ground would probably have a lot more opposition from our fans then other teams.Wheresmeticket? said:Is this an annual thing now? I see this thread was started in Jan 2020 and we have been discussing moving from the Valley since around 1925.
I seem to recall raising this topic on here myself a few years back and I was suprised when a lot of people responded to say they would be happy to move to a new ground.
I agree that the Valley is fine in its current state and probably wont need much done to it unless we become a consistent top 6 team in the prem. Even then Id rather just fill in the corners and rebuilt the JS if we need more capacity.
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this - in the prem I've no doubt that (priced correctly) we could fill c32/35k for alot of games.....however Burnley at home on a Monday night in Feb might be slightly differentRothko said:I just don't buy the idea for more then 32k seats at the Valley, where is this sudden flow of support going to come from, unless you buy into Richard Murray's constant nonsense about people moving to SE London and Kent willing to abandon their clubs and come flocking to the Valley. They might for one or two games a season, but you're not selling 20k season tickets to these people.
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Do what hotels do for airports, run round robin 3-4 shuttle coaches on each route to and from North Greenwich and Woolwich Arsenal up to and after games for 2 hoursRothko said:
There just needs to be better links to North Greenwich, and to Woolwich for Crossrail (which should be open within the TS timeline for promotion) if you can get a decent bus link to those two stations you take a load of pressure off Charlton station, you also get Valley Express running at the levels it used to.jonseventyfive said:The south corners and an improved JS stand would surely be enough, my concern would be could the station cope, I would then think the club may have to become involved in some way.0 -
Obviously Rothko you know the area far better than I do and I agree with other available routes, but Charlton station with a full house and potentially more is trouble waiting to happen, just the entrances to the platforms with a lot of fans are totally outdated.Rothko said:
There just needs to be better links to North Greenwich, and to Woolwich for Crossrail (which should be open within the TS timeline for promotion) if you can get a decent bus link to those two stations you take a load of pressure off Charlton station, you also get Valley Express running at the levels it used to.jonseventyfive said:The south corners and an improved JS stand would surely be enough, my concern would be could the station cope, I would then think the club may have to become involved in some way.0 -
C, remain at the Valley and get into the prem now and then.
Moving to a new stadium is no guarantee of success let alone new fans, but will guarantee a drop in the number of current fans.0 -
I saw the stadium that Slater was intending us to move to. Was fantastic. A. For me.2
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All things being equal there is no question that staying at The Valley is the way forward. The problem with that might come at the end of the lease if RD makes it financially much more viable to move to a new stadium.
Either way it's a question for much further down the line and only IF we ever get back to the Prem and establish ourselves there imo.
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Option D) Remain at The Valley. Smash the Premier League and the Champions League on a regular basis. Buy-out all surrounding properties to expand capacity on all four sides. Harvey Gardens to become a tunnel leading to a huge underground car park, this to be affectionately known as The Pot Hole as a reminder of where we came from. Premier League day tippers? Yeah, there will be thousands of them. They'll be coming from across the globe to watch our scintilating football. But who cares? We'll be the biggest and best club in the world. Next task in this dream schedule of events, get the pitch playable for saturday.
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yeah, so you need to shift people to where there is loads of capacity into London. The problems into north Kent and medway towns is where the investment in Valley Express could help.jonseventyfive said:
Obviously Rothko you know the area far better than I do and I agree with other available routes, but Charlton station with a full house and potentially more is trouble waiting to happen, just the entrances to the platforms with a lot of fans are totally outdated.Rothko said:
There just needs to be better links to North Greenwich, and to Woolwich for Crossrail (which should be open within the TS timeline for promotion) if you can get a decent bus link to those two stations you take a load of pressure off Charlton station, you also get Valley Express running at the levels it used to.jonseventyfive said:The south corners and an improved JS stand would surely be enough, my concern would be could the station cope, I would then think the club may have to become involved in some way.
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new stadiums always mean no real money ( a relative term I know) being spent on the team for a good few years, like (e.g.) Arsenal, Bolton, Spurs .. heresy time ((:>) .. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley .. IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?
On the other hand, is London getting 'over stadiumised' ? .. Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Brentford, Wimbledon all in new premises .. AND will Charlton Athletic F C have enough of a potential long term successful future to justify the expense and upheaval inherent in a change of house ? .. chicken and egg .. will success necessitate a change of ground, or will a new ground bring about success on the pitch ? .. answers on a postage stamp please1 -
Could easy spend £100m on the Valley.0
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WHEN we get to the prem, it has to be with us at The Valley, the place is our
home, and nothing else will do, we don't want some soulless state of the art
shell with no memories, just upgrade The Valley if necessary.8 -
Not happening mate, we'll be in our box(not together of course) before this happens.Lincsaddick said:new stadiums always mean no real money ( a relative term I know) being spent on the team for a good few years, like (e.g.) Arsenal, Bolton, Spurs .. heresy time ((:>) .. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley .. IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?
On the other hand, is London getting 'over stadiumised' ? .. Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Brentford, Wimbledon all in new premises .. AND will Charlton Athletic F C have enough of a potential long term successful future to justify the expense and upheaval inherent in a change of house ? .. chicken and egg .. will success necessitate a change of ground, or will a new ground bring about success on the pitch ? .. answers on a postage stamp please0 -
agreed, the cost alone would be prohibitive unless we're taken over by the Saudi wealth fund or the Sage of Omaha ..ElfsborgAddick said:
Not happening mate, we'll be in our box(not together of course) before this happens.Lincsaddick said:new stadiums always mean no real money ( a relative term I know) being spent on the team for a good few years, like (e.g.) Arsenal, Bolton, Spurs .. heresy time ((:>) .. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley .. IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?
On the other hand, is London getting 'over stadiumised' ? .. Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Brentford, Wimbledon all in new premises .. AND will Charlton Athletic F C have enough of a potential long term successful future to justify the expense and upheaval inherent in a change of house ? .. chicken and egg .. will success necessitate a change of ground, or will a new ground bring about success on the pitch ? .. answers on a postage stamp please0 -
But assuming The Valley was still leased, it wouldn't be our profit, it would be Roland's.Lincsaddick said:.. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley ..
IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?
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Didnt know you were from the States @SageLincsaddick said:
agreed, the cost alone would be prohibitive unless we're taken over by the Saudi wealth fund or the Sage of Omaha ..ElfsborgAddick said:
Not happening mate, we'll be in our box(not together of course) before this happens.Lincsaddick said:new stadiums always mean no real money ( a relative term I know) being spent on the team for a good few years, like (e.g.) Arsenal, Bolton, Spurs .. heresy time ((:>) .. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley .. IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?
On the other hand, is London getting 'over stadiumised' ? .. Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Brentford, Wimbledon all in new premises .. AND will Charlton Athletic F C have enough of a potential long term successful future to justify the expense and upheaval inherent in a change of house ? .. chicken and egg .. will success necessitate a change of ground, or will a new ground bring about success on the pitch ? .. answers on a postage stamp please0 -
A - Valley.0
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very true .. I'm assuming that Sandy would have purchased the Valley before any move was mooted .. it's all hypothetical anyway ..Oggy Red said:
But assuming The Valley was still leased, it wouldn't be our profit, it would be Roland's.Lincsaddick said:.. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley ..
IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?0 -
As long as it's an executive box...ElfsborgAddick said:
Not happening mate, we'll be in our box(not together of course) before this happens.Lincsaddick said:new stadiums always mean no real money ( a relative term I know) being spent on the team for a good few years, like (e.g.) Arsenal, Bolton, Spurs .. heresy time ((:>) .. even as a long term Addick, I have no real nostalgic affinity to the Valley .. IF the ground could be sold for a good profit and it was economically viable to construct a spanking new stadium on (say) the peninsula, then why not ?
On the other hand, is London getting 'over stadiumised' ? .. Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham, Brentford, Wimbledon all in new premises .. AND will Charlton Athletic F C have enough of a potential long term successful future to justify the expense and upheaval inherent in a change of house ? .. chicken and egg .. will success necessitate a change of ground, or will a new ground bring about success on the pitch ? .. answers on a postage stamp please0
