Taking the knee this evening

I presume if the opposition want to do it then we do it ourselves not to look bad - If neither team want to do it then we dont

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

Cloudworm said:

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

Yeah Lyle Taylor doesn't like it, so world football's probably going to knock it on the head now.

There are plenty saying its not for them any more, Zaha at Palace is the latest.

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.

The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.

Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.

Cloudworm said:

PaddyP17 said:

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.

The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.

Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.

I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.

Okay - well, hopefully it's only a very small minority of people who think racism is okay.

(edit - to add the word "only" in the sentence)

My suggestion is Hasselbaink wanted it.

Taking the p*** tonight is more apt.

PaddyP17 said:

Cloudworm said:

PaddyP17 said:

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.

The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.

Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.

I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.

Okay - well, hopefully it's only a very small minority of people who think racism is okay.

(edit - to add the word "only" in the sentence)

That’s a ridiculous comment tbh PaddyP17. Using your logic, the many POC who've come out against the action must also think racism is okay, which clearly is absurd.

The_Organiser said:

PaddyP17 said:

Cloudworm said:

PaddyP17 said:

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.

The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.

Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.

I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.

Okay - well, hopefully it's only a very small minority of people who think racism is okay.

(edit - to add the word "only" in the sentence)

That’s a ridiculous comment tbh PaddyP17. Using your logic, the many POC who've come out against the action must also think racism is okay, which clearly is absurd.

I think you're misreading what I've written/unfairly (but not necessarily intentionally) taken it out of context, particularly as I've said the action should rightly stop?

Redrobo said:

If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.

This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.

DiscoCAFC said:

Cloudworm said:

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

Yeah Lyle Taylor doesn't like it, so world football's probably going to knock it on the head now.

I don’t like Taylor after the way he left us but what I thought he said was spot on. 

There’s more that should be done to stop racism but associating with the BLM which is a markxist organisation isn’t the right way IMO.

Okay, except:

1) the BLM affiliation was dropped well before Taylor made his comments;
  
2) I don't think the average footballer is consciously extolling the virtues of Marxism when kneeling for a few seconds before a game (particularly given the number of players who also perform a black power salute); and

3) what's so bad about Marxism? Can you, or Lyle Taylor, or anyone else, define it in completion, and relate that satisfactorily to how a decentralised movement considers itself wholly Marxist, when the whole point of a decentralised movement is that it is decentralised?

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I believe this makes it about even in terms of comments from different perspectives on BLM/taking a knee, and I will refrain from any further comment on this thread, and instead if you'd like to continue I suggest we move to the "Taking a knee" thread over on the House of Commoners

JaShea99 said:

palarsehater said:

JaShea99 said:

Redrobo said:

If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.

This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.

Depends what your taking the knee against, it’s 1st cause was against racial police brutality in the United States of America? 

Not sure if that was a question but if it was, yes that was the first reason, to be united against it. Obviously more broadly it’s about combatting racism in all walks of life.

But it's not though. It's not in support of the 1000s of South Asians who've died constructing the Qatar World Cup stadiums, or the genocide of the Uyghur people in China

Redrobo said:

killerandflash said:

JaShea99 said:

palarsehater said:

JaShea99 said:

Redrobo said:

If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.

This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.

Depends what your taking the knee against, it’s 1st cause was against racial police brutality in the United States of America? 

Not sure if that was a question but if it was, yes that was the first reason, to be united against it. Obviously more broadly it’s about combatting racism in all walks of life.

But it's not though. It's not in support of the 1000s of South Asians who've died constructing the Qatar World Cup stadiums, or the genocide of the Uyghur people in China

But it could be.
Doing something. Anything. Is far better than doing nothing.

Is it though? And I ask that in all seriousness. Is at this point someone of any race facing discrimination cheering themselves up with the thought that hey, at least a bunch of league one football players knelt down for a few seconds?

Substantive action is ABSOLUTELY something to strive for and support. Performative actions that achieve nothing.... Well they achieve nothing. It's run it's course as a focal point and it's done as much out of habit as genuine support now.

DiscoCAFC said:

Cloudworm said:

palarsehater said:

Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping. 

Yeah Lyle Taylor doesn't like it, so world football's probably going to knock it on the head now.

I don’t like Taylor after the way he left us but what I thought he said was spot on. 

There’s more that should be done to stop racism but associating with the BLM which is a markxist organisation isn’t the right way IMO.

What have you got against the name Mark? Plenty of lovely blokes around that go by Mark.