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'Big clubs'

You often get papers/fans commenting that club 'x' are a big club with their fanbase/history etc , and deserve to be in the premiership or that they are a premiership team in all but name - now we all know that is rubbish and teams are quite rightly there on merit, but which 20 clubs would you have in the top flight if you had to base it on 'big club' basis?

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  • Man Utd
    Liverpool
    Arsenal
    Newcastle
    Leeds
    Aston Villa
    Spurs
    Chelsea
    West ham
    Sheff Wed
    Man City
    Everton
    Sunderland
    Now it get's hard

    Derby
    Sheff Utd
    Wolves
    Nott'm Forrest
    Birmingham
    Norwich (??)
    Charlton!!
  • edited April 2009
    Let's put this one to rest, Newcastle are a 'big club' for one reason only - they are a single club in a football-mad area.

    They last won the league championship 82 years ago (they've been promoted to the top flight more times than they've been champions).
    They last won the FA Cup 54 years ago (albeit they've been runners up 3 times since).
    The only European trophy they've won was the Fairs Cup, and that was 40 years ago.

    The history books show they were all conquering in the first decade of the 20th century and picked up a handful of honours in the 20s. Anyone alive today is bascially living on past glories.

    Being the biggest, best, most popular club in an area with no viable rival does not make them a 'big club'. I'm fed hearing how great and wonderful Newcastle are. I've huge respect for Shearer as a player and an Englishman and I mean him no ill but I hope 'The Mighty Toon' crash and burn.
  • Newcastle do have Sunderland on their doorstep.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Newcastle do have Sunderland on their doorstep.
    A 12mile doorstep?!
  • How far are Charlton from Palace ... ?

    ;o)
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]How far are Charlton from Palace ... ?

    ;o)
    Not far enough!
  • Newcastyle fan saying on the Radio how Shearer must bring back some gloryu as they (Newcastle) have been treated so badly over the years!!!!! Oh and they are a big club!!
  • Newcastles trophy cabinet might be a joke but anyone who thinks they are not a big club needs their bumps feeling imho.
  • When I sat up in 'Ye Gods' looking down at a tiny distant pitch , 51,000 people around made Newcastle seem like a big club to me.

    Big club, perhaps ..... but massive under-achievers.
  • Curbs said we were a big club in his farewell speech at the Blackburn game.
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  • edited April 2009
    (no order)

    Manchester United
    Liverpool
    Aston Villa
    Leeds United
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Spurs
    Manchester City
    Nottingham Forest
    Everton
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Newcastle United
    West Ham United
    Sunderland
    Wolves
    West Bromwich

    final four... (very debatable)

    Leicester City
    Blackburn Rovers
    Derby County
    Birmingham City
  • edited April 2009
    man u
    chelsea
    liverpool
    arsenal
    leeds
    notts forest
    newcastle
    everton
    villa
    man city
    sunderland
    west ham
    spurs
    blackburn
    .....................................................................................................................................................................................
    charlton
    wolves
    sheff wed
    wolves
    derby
    southampton
  • edited April 2009
    [cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite](no order)

    Manchester United
    Liverpool
    Aston Villa
    Leeds United
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Spurs
    Manchester City
    Nottingham Forest
    Everton
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Newcastle United
    West Ham United
    Sunderland
    Wolves
    West Bromwich

    final four... (very debatable)

    Leicester City
    Blackburn Rovers
    Derby County
    Birmingham City

    Forest were a nothing club until Clough arrived.
    Blackburn get shit crowds but won the league more recently than all but 3 of the other clubs.

    How do you define a big club?

    In my opinion it should be calculated considering trophies won, average attendances over the past 50 - 60 years, league position over the past 50 - 60 years with some slight weighting given to the current situation. Very difficult to do.

    But I think that it would come out something like this (in order):


    1. Liverpool
    2. Manchester United
    3. Arsenal
    4. Everton
    5. Spurs
    6. Aston Villa
    7. Chelsea
    8. Wolves
    9. Manchester City
    10. Newcastle United
    11. Nottingham Forest
    12. Blackburn
    13. Sheffield Wednesday
    14. West Bromwich
    15. Leeds
    16. Sunderland
    17. Portsmouth
    18. Huddersfield
    19. Burnley
    20. Bolton
    21. West Ham
    22. Sheff Utd
  • Man Utd
    Liverpool
    Arsenal
    Everton
    Aston Villa
    Wolves
    Real Madrid
    Barcelona
    Bayern Munich
    Benfica
    PSV
    Ajax
    AC Milan
    Inter Milan
    Juventus
    Roma
    Glasgow Rangers
    Celtic
    PSG
    Marseille

    Easy.
  • Lived in Newcastle and there is no doubt in my mind, the majority of them are the most deluded Football fans on the planet.
  • glasgow charlton ????
  • I saw an article at the weekend that said Leeds United have the best away support of any side outside the top flight and better than quite a few premier clubs as well (average of over 2600 every away game), so any list definitely has to include them.
  • edited April 2009
    manchester united
    arsenal
    liverpool
    tottenham hotspur
    chelsea
    everton
    manchester city
    west ham united
    newcastle united
    sunderland
    aston villa
    west brom
    wolves
    leeds united
    portsmouth
    southampton
    charlton athletic
    derby county
    sheffield wednesday
    sheffield united
    leicester city
    ipswich town
    blackburn rovers
    birmingham city
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