Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

paulfox · June 2021

addick1956 said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I am not doubting Thomas's integrity. However Thomas lodged a sum of money to run us for 2 years . This year will be more expensive than last and we are not attracting any players , let alone better ones.
What RD learned was he didn't like the cost and I can see that possibly being the case with TS.

Playing devils advocate, do we know that we’re not attracting players yet?, are we playing hardball?the waiting game? I’m keeping my fingers crossed that things will come together.

Airman Brown · June 2021

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I’m guessing things are that bit more difficult at the moment, there’s probably more brinkmanship at play than normal due to every club trying to get more money for there contracted players, which is possibly why things are slow on incomings. I’d imagine TS is playing the game.

Too early to panic about the squad, I agree, but equally daft for people to argue that losing a 16-goal striker isn’t a serious blow.

I’m not going to lie, I’ve never particularly enjoyed watching Aneke play, just not my type of player. Obviously he had my support when he played in the Charlton shirt, but I’m edging my bets in the hope we can replace the 16 goals, with someone I enjoy watching more. Just a personnel opinion I’m not insisting on everyone agreeing with. I’ve loved strikers who have scored a lot less regularly over the years!!🤣

It’s a shame he played to an empty stadium last season because I think his arrival would have lifted the crowd and consequently achieved even more.

Clearly he has issues, but teams in L1 couldn’t cope with him and realistically we are not going to replace those goals or that impact easily or cheaply.

I really like Stockley, too, mind. If we’d had him earlier along with Washington - instead of the hopeless Bogle - we’d have gone up.

Ferryman · June 2021

Callumcafc said:

Cafc43v3r said:

If anyone thinks we will sign another striker that can, and will, score 15 odd goals from the bench they need to give thier head a wobble.

Last season the problem wasn't "Chuks can't play 90 minutes" the problem was, for large parts, we didn't have a striker that could. Let alone 2.

Here's the problem with Chuks.

Scoring goals is good. Scoring 15 goals off the bench is a great luxury for a team in League One. The kind of player that wouldn't be coming off the bench at all if he wasn't riddled with fitness issues.

If consistently fit, he could start and bag you 25-30 a season. But he's never going to be that player. So you have to carry him as a part of a larger squad where the starters are better than the subs. And that's not feasible for any League One team.

You can't build a squad around a player with his injury record. It's either come off the bench for a team in League One or do the same job for a team in the Championship. He's chosen the latter, no surprise.

We couldn't swing a big payday to keep him because who knows how many minutes he'll see next season.

And no guarantee he would have repeated his achievements of last season in 21-22, while its almost certain his fitness wouldn't improve.

paulfox · June 2021

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I’m guessing things are that bit more difficult at the moment, there’s probably more brinkmanship at play than normal due to every club trying to get more money for there contracted players, which is possibly why things are slow on incomings. I’d imagine TS is playing the game.

Too early to panic about the squad, I agree, but equally daft for people to argue that losing a 16-goal striker isn’t a serious blow.

I’m not going to lie, I’ve never particularly enjoyed watching Aneke play, just not my type of player. Obviously he had my support when he played in the Charlton shirt, but I’m edging my bets in the hope we can replace the 16 goals, with someone I enjoy watching more. Just a personnel opinion I’m not insisting on everyone agreeing with. I’ve loved strikers who have scored a lot less regularly over the years!!🤣

It’s a shame he played to an empty stadium last season because I think his arrival would have lifted the crowd and consequently achieved even more.

Clearly he has issues, but teams in L1 couldn’t cope with him and realistically we are not going to replace those goals or that impact easily or cheaply.

I really like Stockley, too, mind.

I have no doubt the lack of fans really did work against us last season, in both ways as far as performance levels, we had some really terrible performances that we as fans would have let the players know we’re not acceptable, Also giving them the support needed when things were going tits up!!.I do think league 1 is his level though, and I’m not saying that because he’s going, I’ve been consistent with my opinion of him.I hope stockley gets some help next season with someone up top with him, I think we may see an even better, less one dimensional player and I don’t mean that as a criticism. We were playing to a bit of a needs must way when he came in.

Covered End · June 2021

stoneroses19 said:

addick1956 said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I am not doubting Thomas's integrity. However Thomas lodged a sum of money to run us for 2 years . This year will be more expensive than last and we are not attracting any players , let alone better ones.
What RD learned was he didn't like the cost and I can see that possibly being the case with TS.

You’ve posted 4 times on this page alone likening Sandgaard to Duchatelet. Maybe take a breather.

He was a great fan of Duchatelet, although under a previous "moniker".

paulfox · June 2021

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I’m guessing things are that bit more difficult at the moment, there’s probably more brinkmanship at play than normal due to every club trying to get more money for there contracted players, which is possibly why things are slow on incomings. I’d imagine TS is playing the game.

Too early to panic about the squad, I agree, but equally daft for people to argue that losing a 16-goal striker isn’t a serious blow.

I’m not going to lie, I’ve never particularly enjoyed watching Aneke play, just not my type of player. Obviously he had my support when he played in the Charlton shirt, but I’m edging my bets in the hope we can replace the 16 goals, with someone I enjoy watching more. Just a personnel opinion I’m not insisting on everyone agreeing with. I’ve loved strikers who have scored a lot less regularly over the years!!🤣

It’s a shame he played to an empty stadium last season because I think his arrival would have lifted the crowd and consequently achieved even more.

Clearly he has issues, but teams in L1 couldn’t cope with him and realistically we are not going to replace those goals or that impact easily or cheaply.

I really like Stockley, too, mind. If we’d had him earlier along with Washington - instead of the hopeless Bogle - we’d have gone up.

I think the players knocked off on Lee for a bit for whatever reason, added to the loss of the cbs, and more than a few iffy decisions from Bowyer did for us really. All ifs and buts as they say. I do expect more next season though.🤞

Airman Brown · June 2021

addick1956 said:

stoneroses19 said:

addick1956 said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I am not doubting Thomas's integrity. However Thomas lodged a sum of money to run us for 2 years . This year will be more expensive than last and we are not attracting any players , let alone better ones.
What RD learned was he didn't like the cost and I can see that possibly being the case with TS.

You’ve posted 4 times on this page alone likening Sandgaard to Duchatelet. Maybe take a breather.

I was conversing with Airman. However I wasn't likening them but the situation owners realise once they settle in . That it is more expensive than one realises. Nothing more.
I suspect we won't be in the top budget group in this division.

Depends how big you make the group.Top third I guess we will. Most of the rest are also rans.

superdulvertonred · June 2021

Good to see Airman back with considered opinions let’s not panic have faith in the leadership and let’s all get behind them and the team who I am sure will be a strong one this season personally can’t wait to get back to the Valley again and support the team don’t regret buying a season ticket again for the first time since RD terrible tenure just gutted that the first game clashes with my daughter’s wedding

charltonbob · June 2021

ricky_otto said:

cafcsinger said:

shine166 said:

Time for Ronnie to step up and take his chances during pre season now.

Would rather get rid of him tbh, looks to me a Danish Ajose

I think judge him on after he has had a full pre-season, his family over here and with crowds in the ground (I honestly think that with the fans behind him he will get a bit of confidence up).

Judging from comments on here I don't think too many will be getting anywhere but on his back. personally (& I'm only going on you tube clips) it seems like give him a chance & he'll stick it away.

JamesSeed · June 2021

superdulvertonred said:

Good to see Airman back with considered opinions let’s not panic have faith in the leadership and let’s all get behind them and the team who I am sure will be a strong one this season personally can’t wait to get back to the Valley again and support the team don’t regret buying a season ticket again for the first time since RD terrible tenure just gutted that the first game clashes with my daughter’s wedding

Hope your daughter isn’t too disappointed ;-)

mendonca · June 2021

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Major · June 2021

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

Give me strength.

DA9 · June 2021

Remember one thing, always, WE are the only constant.
Players, managers, coaches, directors, owners, ground staff & office staff come & go.

Its the business of football, nobody has died, move on.

Danny Addick · June 2021

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I’m guessing things are that bit more difficult at the moment, there’s probably more brinkmanship at play than normal due to every club trying to get more money for there contracted players, which is possibly why things are slow on incomings. I’d imagine TS is playing the game.

Too early to panic about the squad, I agree, but equally daft for people to argue that losing a 16-goal striker isn’t a serious blow.

I’m not going to lie, I’ve never particularly enjoyed watching Aneke play, just not my type of player. Obviously he had my support when he played in the Charlton shirt, but I’m edging my bets in the hope we can replace the 16 goals, with someone I enjoy watching more. Just a personnel opinion I’m not insisting on everyone agreeing with. I’ve loved strikers who have scored a lot less regularly over the years!!🤣

It’s a shame he played to an empty stadium last season because I think his arrival would have lifted the crowd and consequently achieved even more.

Clearly he has issues, but teams in L1 couldn’t cope with him and realistically we are not going to replace those goals or that impact easily or cheaply.

I really like Stockley, too, mind. If we’d had him earlier along with Washington - instead of the hopeless Bogle - we’d have gone up.

Yes to all of this. We’ll regret losing Chucks.

Hal1x · June 2021

DA9 said:

Remember one thing, always, WE are the only constant.
Players, managers, coaches, directors, owners, ground staff & office staff come & go.

Its the business of football, nobody has died, move on.

I think some of the Hot Dogs have also hung around for the long term.

PragueAddick · June 2021

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

stoneroses19 said:

addick1956 said:

Airman Brown said:

addick1956 said:

golfaddick said:

I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.

I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.

I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.

I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.

I am not doubting Thomas's integrity. However Thomas lodged a sum of money to run us for 2 years . This year will be more expensive than last and we are not attracting any players , let alone better ones.
What RD learned was he didn't like the cost and I can see that possibly being the case with TS.

You’ve posted 4 times on this page alone likening Sandgaard to Duchatelet. Maybe take a breather.

I was conversing with Airman. However I wasn't likening them but the situation owners realise once they settle in . That it is more expensive than one realises. Nothing more.
I suspect we won't be in the top budget group in this division.

Depends how big you make the group.Top third I guess we will. Most of the rest are also rans.

The background issue I am finding puzzling is, where the money is coming from in those clubs in the top third. If you listen to The Price of Football podcast, you are expecting ( outside the Prem) downward pressure on wages, some players failing to find new clubs at all, and possibly a few clubs not making it through the season. Because of the effect of Covid. This podcast is from the accountant who looks at published data and accounts, i.e. the real world.

Yet apparently the Third Division is the new Alice in Wonderland of football where a whole load of clubs have avoided the virus and started a new arms race of spending on players. Clubs like Wigan. Really? And where is this money coming from? Is it real money? Something isn’t adding up here.

devonaddicks · June 2021

Dazzler21 said:

Incoming

Johl Powell missing off this list

devonaddicks · June 2021

Johl Powell missing off this list

AFKABartram · June 2021

@Airman Brown are you aware of whatever the problem is in why Aneke can’t seemingly play for more than about 20 minutes?

I wanted to resign him if we could, but I find the whole situation regarding him utterly bizarre and completely unique in football. We would, by the face of it, be needing to pay out our highest salary to a guy who can’t play a full game.

Personally I think this one was always going to be about money and once he got a Championship wage offer, I’m not convinced us raising over the top end of our range to try and match it would have been the right outcome.

RonnieMoore · June 2021

grumpyaddick said:

Clearly neither were converted to Nigel`s happy club.

If we had anyone at all lined up announcements of departures would have been delayed.

The bed is wet.

So Amos going to desert his family for another two years WHY …. He wants to return up north no matter what NA says or money offered will change his mind …. This is not a football decsion

RonnieMoore · June 2021

Not checked this out …. But are we the only club that have actually paid money for a player so far in league one ….. ???

Chris_from_Sidcup · June 2021

For those moaning, i'd assume we have been talking to keepers and strikers just in case Amos and Aneke didn't sign. We obviously wouldn't sign them before now in case they both decided to stay. So people should stop panicking and see what Adkins and Gallen do.

Yes losing Aneke is a blow, but i'm sure the management will have been aware there was a good chance he would leave and will have prepared accordingly.

shirty5 · June 2021

RonnieMoore said:

Not checked this out …. But are we the only club that have actually paid money for a player so far in league one ….. ???

Incorrect. Ipswich spent a fee on Harper from West Brom.

Cambridge, Plymouth and Shrewsbury have also spent money on transfer fees

se9addick · June 2021

RonnieMoore said:

grumpyaddick said:

Clearly neither were converted to Nigel`s happy club.

If we had anyone at all lined up announcements of departures would have been delayed.

The bed is wet.

So Amos going to desert his family for another two years WHY …. He wants to return up north no matter what NA says or money offered will change his mind …. This is not a football decsion

Amos deserted his family?

Johnnysummers5 · June 2021

Addicks59 said:

Gallen not gallon.

I will just have a pint please.

hoof_it_up_to_benty · June 2021

Aneke is a big loss - I hope we have a decent replacement in mind.

RedRobin · June 2021

I thought Adkins said Chuks and Amos wanted to stay? Are we saying that’s not true!?!?!? Flippin heck. This summer feels like it’s going to be a damp squib, I hope I’m wrong!

Addicks59 · June 2021

All this having a go at the owner is out of order in my opinion he has invested considerable amount of money in our club and has created a reasonable transfer budget who else has paid 450.000 for a player in div1.On top of that no ceo you say the man appointed to run the club ged roddy is one of the most experienced in the whole of football.Also in an interview on charlton TV it was clearly stated that a new sponsor investor was going to invest many millions in the club.How do you know that has not happened the club are keeping there cards close to there chest that is good practise and makes good business sense we start shouting that we are rich every player agent and club in the country will put there prices up.CUT our owner some slack I know that the club are looking at some very good players one of them if it comes off will shock us all I have named a few who I hope will be signed I know we are working very hard to make it happen so PATIENCE.

se9addick · June 2021

RedRobin said:

I thought Adkins said Chuks and Amos wanted to stay? Are we saying that’s not true!?!?!? Flippin heck. This summer feels like it’s going to be a damp squib, I hope I’m wrong!

If you’re referring to the interview of the other day he said he wanted them to stay. That being said I’m sure most players say they want to stay, until they get a better offer.

(Adkins interview here: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-nigel-adkins-has-fresh-contact-with-out-of-contract-duo/)

Redmidland · June 2021

Addicks59 said:

All this having a go at the owner is out of order in my opinion he has invested considerable amount of money in our club and has created a reasonable transfer budget who else has paid 450.000 for a player in div1.On top of that no ceo you say the man appointed to run the club ged roddy is one of the most experienced in the whole of football.Also in an interview on charlton TV it was clearly stated that a new sponsor investor was going to invest many millions in the club.How do you know that has not happened the club are keeping there cards close to there chest that is good practise and makes good business sense we start shouting that we are rich every player agent and club in the country will put there prices up.CUT our owner some slack I know that the club are looking at some very good players one of them if it comes off will shock us all I have named a few who I hope will be signed I know we are working very hard to make it happen so PATIENCE.

Absolutely agree with this!

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