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Not worried by Chuks' departure. Despite his goals, I never felt confident he was going to change the game when he came on a sub. In my mind he was always more likely to give away silly fouls/get booked/sent off and give away possession. Wish him all the best but looking forward to signing a striker who can play 90 minutes.0
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Doubting Thomas! I won't believe it until I see it, or hear it.0
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No it’s not that interview it was this one where NA says THEY want to stay:se9addick said:
If you’re referring to the interview of the other day he said he wanted them to stay. That being said I’m sure most players say they want to stay, until they get a better offer.RedRobin said:I thought Adkins said Chuks and Amos wanted to stay? Are we saying that’s not true!?!?!? Flippin heck. This summer feels like it’s going to be a damp squib, I hope I’m wrong!
(Adkins interview here: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-nigel-adkins-has-fresh-contact-with-out-of-contract-duo/)
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-boss-nigel-adkins-all-our-out-of-contract-players-want-to-stay/
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Dont panic Mr Mannering !
Lots of time left yet to get players in and I'm still of the opinion that the management will bring the right players in. Not sure where the information is coming from but if we get a few of the players being mentioned it will be a great season0 -
Airman Brown said:
I don’t know anyone with experience of the club who thinks it’s sensible to run without a chief executive on the ground.Sage said:
In a transfer market with constant moving parts, where those moving parts are of a higher calibre of player and could fall in to place at any moment, we can’t really afford to wait on the approval of Sandgaard who is currently 7 hours behind in terms of time difference.Leeds_Addick said:
Interesting. I've seen a lot of people express surprise that he's doing it his own way but this is the first time I've seen someone say we'd be better off with a CEO in the UK.Sage said:Now we have lots of work to do, we were hoping to keep them but you now have to add a keeper and a striker on the list of what is required.
I am calm, but I do think it’s going to be a harder season than many would’ve anticipated going into this summer and this is not a reaction from the news today.
Sandgaard would do well to appoint a CEO who runs things on the ground whilst he’s in the US. I get it’s his way and all those reasons, but we need that figurehead in the UK.
Would be interested in understanding how it might change things
I’ve spoken to a few people and it’s a general view that we might be better off right now having someone in that role.
It’s not often club’s are run without a CEO, especially one where we haven’t really had one since Meire left, and even then wasn’t really a very good one at all.As the sole owner TS is our SEO. He may not be in the same Country but he clearly undertaking exactly the role one would expect of a CEO, and many companies with a single owner run this way. The only real difference is they have no one to report to.Pleading to have a decision maker on the ground would suggest to me that the trust is not there yet, or that individuals haven’t quite grasped that they can make those decisions, or feel uncomfortable making them. This maybe understandable given the money you are committing the owner to paying, but it is the pay grade!
Not being ‘on the ground’ can be more challenging, but it can and does work IF individuals are empowered to make decisions. That responsibility will only be devolved if the individual is considered to be able to make sound decisions and it can be argued that this means quicker and better decisions being made by those with intimate knowledge of what is required.At the moment we have SG, Roddy and Adkins responsible for player recruitment. If they can’t get it right I don’t see adding a fourth adds value or speeds things up. What do you see a CEO adding to the process that the others lack?
I really don’t see the 7hr time difference being an issue. A high calibre player that we are after will have been discussed. There is a budget. He has a phone. He would be happy to take that call.
TS has delegated the running of his company in the USA to trusted managers, but does keep an active interest in what is going on and sets the strategic direction. I would suggest that this is what he wants to replicate.1 -
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Ah right, that was a couple of weeks ago before the bright lights of Birmingham & Wigan turned their heads!RedRobin said:
No it’s not that interview it was this one where NA says THEY want to stay:se9addick said:
If you’re referring to the interview of the other day he said he wanted them to stay. That being said I’m sure most players say they want to stay, until they get a better offer.RedRobin said:I thought Adkins said Chuks and Amos wanted to stay? Are we saying that’s not true!?!?!? Flippin heck. This summer feels like it’s going to be a damp squib, I hope I’m wrong!
(Adkins interview here: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-nigel-adkins-has-fresh-contact-with-out-of-contract-duo/)
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-boss-nigel-adkins-all-our-out-of-contract-players-want-to-stay/5 -
That's a weird notification from companies house just been posted on the Shennagans thread !0
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This is my stance on last season and my expectations are high for this window and next season still.paulfox said:
I think the players knocked off on Lee for a bit for whatever reason, added to the loss of the cbs, and more than a few iffy decisions from Bowyer did for us really. All ifs and buts as they say. I do expect more next season though.🤞Airman Brown said:
It’s a shame he played to an empty stadium last season because I think his arrival would have lifted the crowd and consequently achieved even more.paulfox said:
I’m not going to lie, I’ve never particularly enjoyed watching Aneke play, just not my type of player. Obviously he had my support when he played in the Charlton shirt, but I’m edging my bets in the hope we can replace the 16 goals, with someone I enjoy watching more. Just a personnel opinion I’m not insisting on everyone agreeing with. I’ve loved strikers who have scored a lot less regularly over the years!!🤣Airman Brown said:
Too early to panic about the squad, I agree, but equally daft for people to argue that losing a 16-goal striker isn’t a serious blow.paulfox said:
I’m guessing things are that bit more difficult at the moment, there’s probably more brinkmanship at play than normal due to every club trying to get more money for there contracted players, which is possibly why things are slow on incomings. I’d imagine TS is playing the game.Airman Brown said:
I think TS has more intelligence and integrity than RD. He may well find it more difficult than he thought and certainly more expensive but I’m sure he at least he measures success the same way we do, which is a big difference. He may get it wrong but he’ll likely learn from his mistakes, which RD never did.addick1956 said:
I think he is realising just how expensive owning a football club is to be honest. We could be heading for the same situation we had with RD if this window is toilet. You don't make up 11 bodies in 5 or 6 weeks and the season starts then not at the end of August.golfaddick said:I make it 11 players down on our squad from last season.....and they weren't good enough to get into the top 6. And 2 of the players out of the 12 left are only supposed to be here as back up (Watson & Pearce).
So, its not only replacing them but replacing them with better players.
I think TS might have bitten off more than he can chew.Clearly he has issues, but teams in L1 couldn’t cope with him and realistically we are not going to replace those goals or that impact easily or cheaply.I really like Stockley, too, mind. If we’d had him earlier along with Washington - instead of the hopeless Bogle - we’d have gone up.0 -
I want to stay at my job, but if someone came along and told me I could do less than I currently do AND have twice the money... Well... See ya!0
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in an ideal world with no budget constraints wee'd have kept chucks as a supersub - in reality, putting those extra resources into getting a main man up top who can play week in week our is far more important7
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Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?3
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Lots of work to be done on the squad but it just takes a few signings for things to be looking up. A keeper, a winger and a midfielder and I think everyone will calm down. Then we’ll complete our squad via loans and deadline day signings. I remember we did some great business on deadline day in our Championship season that took us from troublingly underprepared to pretty well stocked (until all the injuries)1
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I think Adkins will mainly stick to using a lone striker - that’s 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 for the optimists or 4-5-1 for the pessimists.MarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?
Either way we need about 10 signings across the team, including wingers and strikers.3 -
i'm expecting a big signing - we won't have enough without itMarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?0 -
Football has its pyramid and if a Prem club wants a Championship player they get him and if a Championship club wants a League 1 player they get him - I think given Birmingham’s interest it’s impossible to retain Aneke so I’m not sure what all the teeth grinding is about
He’s definitely a decent player at League 1 level but he’s not irreplaceable- we can only judge the recruitment when it’s finished although admittedly we are all getting a bit twitchy - me included !
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Tall or expensive?DOUCHER said:
i'm expecting a big signing - we won't have enough without itMarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?2 -
Yeah this is what I was thinking too , 433/4231 probably means we need a winger/striker that could fill in at pinch.Scoham said:
I think Adkins will mainly stick to using a lone striker - that’s 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 for the optimists or 4-5-1 for the pessimists.MarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?
Either way we need about 10 signings across the team, including wingers and strikers.
10 signings is what I've had in my head all window as about what we need , maybe more.1 -
expensive i guess - main man materialRedrobo said:
Tall or expensive?DOUCHER said:
i'm expecting a big signing - we won't have enough without itMarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?0 -
I certainly hope we don't have Stockley up front on his own. He was completely isolated in his early games, winning plenty of headers with no Charlton player to feed off if him.Scoham said:
I think Adkins will mainly stick to using a lone striker - that’s 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 for the optimists or 4-5-1 for the pessimists.MarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?
Either way we need about 10 signings across the team, including wingers and strikers.
We didn't look like we had an effective attacking force until he got the appropriate support.
If we revert to Stockley alone then we are done for.2 -
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Roddy has not been “appointed to run the club”. He is a football person.Addicks59 said:All this having a go at the owner is out of order in my opinion he has invested considerable amount of money in our club and has created a reasonable transfer budget who else has paid 450.000 for a player in div1.On top of that no ceo you say the man appointed to run the club ged roddy is one of the most experienced in the whole of football.Also in an interview on charlton TV it was clearly stated that a new sponsor investor was going to invest many millions in the club.How do you know that has not happened the club are keeping there cards close to there chest that is good practise and makes good business sense we start shouting that we are rich every player agent and club in the country will put there prices up.CUT our owner some slack I know that the club are looking at some very good players one of them if it comes off will shock us all I have named a few who I hope will be signed I know we are working very hard to make it happen so PATIENCE.Common sense would tell you that a “sponsor” is unlikely to invest “many millions” in a loss-making third tier club, however any deal is hyped.
As for the squad I am content to wait and see what happens. I can still think it’s a shame a particular player has gone without your permission, thanks.3 -
Who is pleading? As it happens the chief executive at Charlton has rarely been the person doing the transfer deals. However, the club is understaffed and has people in key positions - Keohane, for example - who need removing, in my opinion. Nobody says you can’t have a different one or that TS can’t or that he won’t succeed over time. He doesn’t have to be a “perfect genuis” because he’s the current owner to be a good thing.Redrobo said:Airman Brown said:
I don’t know anyone with experience of the club who thinks it’s sensible to run without a chief executive on the ground.Sage said:
In a transfer market with constant moving parts, where those moving parts are of a higher calibre of player and could fall in to place at any moment, we can’t really afford to wait on the approval of Sandgaard who is currently 7 hours behind in terms of time difference.Leeds_Addick said:
Interesting. I've seen a lot of people express surprise that he's doing it his own way but this is the first time I've seen someone say we'd be better off with a CEO in the UK.Sage said:Now we have lots of work to do, we were hoping to keep them but you now have to add a keeper and a striker on the list of what is required.
I am calm, but I do think it’s going to be a harder season than many would’ve anticipated going into this summer and this is not a reaction from the news today.
Sandgaard would do well to appoint a CEO who runs things on the ground whilst he’s in the US. I get it’s his way and all those reasons, but we need that figurehead in the UK.
Would be interested in understanding how it might change things
I’ve spoken to a few people and it’s a general view that we might be better off right now having someone in that role.
It’s not often club’s are run without a CEO, especially one where we haven’t really had one since Meire left, and even then wasn’t really a very good one at all.As the sole owner TS is our SEO. He may not be in the same Country but he clearly undertaking exactly the role one would expect of a CEO, and many companies with a single owner run this way. The only real difference is they have no one to report to.Pleading to have a decision maker on the ground would suggest to me that the trust is not there yet, or that individuals haven’t quite grasped that they can make those decisions, or feel uncomfortable making them. This maybe understandable given the money you are committing the owner to paying, but it is the pay grade!
Not being ‘on the ground’ can be more challenging, but it can and does work IF individuals are empowered to make decisions. That responsibility will only be devolved if the individual is considered to be able to make sound decisions and it can be argued that this means quicker and better decisions being made by those with intimate knowledge of what is required.At the moment we have SG, Roddy and Adkins responsible for player recruitment. If they can’t get it right I don’t see adding a fourth adds value or speeds things up. What do you see a CEO adding to the process that the others lack?
I really don’t see the 7hr time difference being an issue. A high calibre player that we are after will have been discussed. There is a budget. He has a phone. He would be happy to take that call.
TS has delegated the running of his company in the USA to trusted managers, but does keep an active interest in what is going on and sets the strategic direction. I would suggest that this is what he wants to replicate.3 -
With the right signings it can still work, we can push higher up the pitch, keep possession better and have genuine wide attackers rather than Maatsen or Washington filling out there.TellyTubby said:
I certainly hope we don't have Stockley up front on his own. He was completely isolated in his early games, winning plenty of headers with no Charlton player to feed off if him.Scoham said:
I think Adkins will mainly stick to using a lone striker - that’s 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 for the optimists or 4-5-1 for the pessimists.MarcusH26 said:Will be interesting to see what we do striker wise , Stockley has obviously come in to start and hasn't come cheap for this level. Wonder if we go and find him a strike partner or if the fourth striker will be a younger player on loan?
Either way we need about 10 signings across the team, including wingers and strikers.
We didn't look like we had an effective attacking force until he got the appropriate support.
If we revert to Stockley alone then we are done for.0 -
I’m starting to think you’re so obsessed with Boris you might fancy him.addick1956 said:
In which case we are modelled on Boris's government. Aaaaggghhhh !!!Airman Brown said:
We are allowed to have opinions that don’t chime with Thomas’s view, presumably? Any organisation where no one can tell you who is in charge on a day-to-day basis is likely to struggle.Rothko said:
Is that the sound of knives being sharpened?Airman Brown said:
I don’t know anyone with experience of the club who thinks it’s sensible to run without a chief executive on the ground.Sage said:
In a transfer market with constant moving parts, where those moving parts are of a higher calibre of player and could fall in to place at any moment, we can’t really afford to wait on the approval of Sandgaard who is currently 7 hours behind in terms of time difference.Leeds_Addick said:
Interesting. I've seen a lot of people express surprise that he's doing it his own way but this is the first time I've seen someone say we'd be better off with a CEO in the UK.Sage said:Now we have lots of work to do, we were hoping to keep them but you now have to add a keeper and a striker on the list of what is required.
I am calm, but I do think it’s going to be a harder season than many would’ve anticipated going into this summer and this is not a reaction from the news today.
Sandgaard would do well to appoint a CEO who runs things on the ground whilst he’s in the US. I get it’s his way and all those reasons, but we need that figurehead in the UK.
Would be interested in understanding how it might change things
I’ve spoken to a few people and it’s a general view that we might be better off right now having someone in that role.
It’s not often club’s are run without a CEO, especially one where we haven’t really had one since Meire left, and even then wasn’t really a very good one at all.1 -
Roddy has been appointed as Thomas's man on the ground also the finest solicitor in sport has been appointed to the board.You build a good club from the foundations which has happened my permission has not been asked for nor would I give it I learnt that a long time ago I have known you from a long time ago when we went around delivering leaflets to get a new leader elected on Greenwich Council so I am very converse how you and Peter work.I like you are in titled to our opion where we differ you get payed for it I do not I post comments come from my long connections with a club that I have supported all my life and passed on to fellow supporters in good faith.3
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Not sure where Varney fits in or how I get paid to post opinions on here, but as you’re obviously pursuing some tedious personal score I’ll leave you to get on with it. I suggest you read your contributions before posting them though.Addicks59 said:Roddy has been appointed as Thomas's man on the ground also the finest solicitor in sport has been appointed to the board.You build a good club from the foundations which has happened my permission has not been asked for nor would I give it I learnt that a long time ago I have known you from a long time ago when we went around delivering leaflets to get a new leader elected on Greenwich Council so I am very converse how you and Peter work.I like you are in titled to our opion where we differ you get payed for it I do not I post comments come from my long connections with a club that I have supported all my life and passed on to fellow supporters in good faith.5 -
I’m glad you highlighted this. It was a huge factor in why we almost made the play offs and got away with not being cut adrift during our pathetic run from Nov - March.Laddick01 said:This makes you realise how poor this division was last season. This year clubs will throw money around.
From what we’ve seen so far I think top 6 will be really competitive.The league was awful, and our players, even our so called better ones, fitted right in.
I’m not too fussed about Aneke and Amos leaving, and I wanted Pearce and Watson to go with them, along with JFC and Matthews. If Gunter’s contract hadn’t have been 2 years, I would’ve added him to that list.I think we’ll come good by the end of the window. Aneke could’ve quite easily broken down at any point during the season had we kept him on. Amos is okay, but if you rate him and think he’s good enough, I’d be quite confident we can get someone of equal ability in by the time the season starts.As it stands there’s a lot of work to do. In my opinion we’re going to need
GK, RB, LB, CBx2, 4 midfielders, probably 5 if we want promotion, and possibly a forward now Aneke has gone (not sure whether or not Adkins thinks Stockley, Washington and Schwarz can do the job). That’s 10 or 11 players. You would imagine we’re going to take up the option of 5 loan players given we need that many.Let’s hope we can get 5 others that are free agents or 3 free agents and a couple at a fee4 -
The transfer window should come alive next week.0
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Why did this new sponsor that was gonna put in millions get mentioned when we don’t want the world to know we are flush if we are …Addicks59 said:All this having a go at the owner is out of order in my opinion he has invested considerable amount of money in our club and has created a reasonable transfer budget who else has paid 450.000 for a player in div1.On top of that no ceo you say the man appointed to run the club ged roddy is one of the most experienced in the whole of football.Also in an interview on charlton TV it was clearly stated that a new sponsor investor was going to invest many millions in the club.How do you know that has not happened the club are keeping there cards close to there chest that is good practise and makes good business sense we start shouting that we are rich every player agent and club in the country will put there prices up.CUT our owner some slack I know that the club are looking at some very good players one of them if it comes off will shock us all I have named a few who I hope will be signed I know we are working very hard to make it happen so PATIENCE.
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When did this “invest many millions” ever get said? I think people have heard what Mumford said and twisted it and ran with it.
A ground-breaking deal for the club between 3-5 years is what I believe was mentioned. Doesn’t say millions are going to be pumped in. I think you have to think outside the box. What are these sponsors going to get involved in? I have no idea, and it’s the club’s prerogative to announce it in due time, but I personally think we are leading ourselves up the garden path of disappointment if we start thinking millions and millions are going to be pumped in to the club.21
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