Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

thenewbie said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I'm waiting for the evidence to buy a season ticket as I am fed up of the mediocrity and false promises we always get. I am still expecting positive action so not in panic mode but Chuks was a big marker for me and it is an understatement I am disappointed he is leaving. Cue people being ok about it because of his lack of minutes last season. To be honest, I have no interest in these views as I believe they lack football knowledge. We have to be better than last season and it isn't easy to replace what Chuks gives us, but we shall see. I will worry after the Euros if there is something to worry about!   

I mentioned further up that I’m disappointed we couldn’t retain Aneke, 15 goals will be very difficult to replace. But being of the opinion that him leaving isn’t a big deal doesn’t mean that person “lacks football knowledge” (whatever that’s supposed to mean). There is a legitimate argument that retaining Aneke actually costs you two salaries from the budget - one for Chuks and one for the guy that needs to play the 75% of minutes that he can’t. 

That's a false argument though.  If you have 4 strikers in the squad you are very rarely going to start more than 2 of them.  Unless one doubles up as a winger or something else.  You are always, where possible, going to have a striker on the bench. 

With out looking up the stats I would guess out of the 46 league games, lets call 50 including senior cups, that 100 starts if you play 2 up front.  We won't play 2 in every game so let's say it's 80 starts.  In a normal season, baring a serious injury, you expect someone like Stockley to be able to start 40 games out of the 50.  Someone like Washington would probably be able to play all the games you want 2 up front.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to have another striker, that doesn't have to be top notch, just do a job for about 10 games and a few off the bench, like Parker did.  Unfortunately Schwartz and Smyth weren't deemed capable of doing that.

Last season Chuks ability, or lack of, to play 90 minutes wasn't the problem.  The fact at times, he was by far, our best striker was. 

Stockley is suspended. Washington is injured and you have a senior player who you can’t start and know finish the game because he’s only useful off the bench due to whatever reason. I agree with se9 on this one.

But I specifically said you have a 4th striker for exactly that reason.  Else Stockley is suspended and Washington is injured and your starting with Schwartz up front on his own and no sub on the bench if you only have 3, who ever they are.

We won't have 3 strikers that play more minutes next season than Chuks did last season. 

Having a fourth striker of any quality is quite a rarity in league one clubs. 

The problem being we don't have a fourth striker AT ALL presently. Stockley and Washington are proven at this level, Schwartz not so much. Beyond that it's hoping a youth product really steps up.

Again I'm sure that business IS being done but we can't judge how well that signing replaces Aneke until it gets made.

RedRobin said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if we go in for Mo Eisa now Chuks has left. Colby Bishop from Accies or Mikael Mandron from Crewe could be good options but Eisa would add some pace to the front line. 

redlanered said:

Henry Irving said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Rothko said:

If he wants to go then fine, good luck to him, time to move on innit 

Only if it's true....... 

That’s worth remembering. Have a feeling though that Birmingham or another will announce Chuks next Thursday. I think he’s intent on departing. Whatever Nigel said to him obviously didn’t work. 

Why "obviously"?

We don't know the state of play.

Maybe Chuks never had any intention of re-signing, maybe he wants to stay and is completing his medical as I type, maybe he's playing one club off against another to get himself the best deal, maybe he's at St Andrews holding a blue shirt.

We just don't know, it's not obvious.

People asking "can we panic now?"   Sure, go ahead but won't make any difference.

Me, I want to see some signings and the sooner the better but since I can't control that not going to get uptight about it.

WIOTOS

99% of what we discuss here "won't make any difference" though...

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

thenewbie said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I'm waiting for the evidence to buy a season ticket as I am fed up of the mediocrity and false promises we always get. I am still expecting positive action so not in panic mode but Chuks was a big marker for me and it is an understatement I am disappointed he is leaving. Cue people being ok about it because of his lack of minutes last season. To be honest, I have no interest in these views as I believe they lack football knowledge. We have to be better than last season and it isn't easy to replace what Chuks gives us, but we shall see. I will worry after the Euros if there is something to worry about!   

I mentioned further up that I’m disappointed we couldn’t retain Aneke, 15 goals will be very difficult to replace. But being of the opinion that him leaving isn’t a big deal doesn’t mean that person “lacks football knowledge” (whatever that’s supposed to mean). There is a legitimate argument that retaining Aneke actually costs you two salaries from the budget - one for Chuks and one for the guy that needs to play the 75% of minutes that he can’t. 

That's a false argument though.  If you have 4 strikers in the squad you are very rarely going to start more than 2 of them.  Unless one doubles up as a winger or something else.  You are always, where possible, going to have a striker on the bench. 

With out looking up the stats I would guess out of the 46 league games, lets call 50 including senior cups, that 100 starts if you play 2 up front.  We won't play 2 in every game so let's say it's 80 starts.  In a normal season, baring a serious injury, you expect someone like Stockley to be able to start 40 games out of the 50.  Someone like Washington would probably be able to play all the games you want 2 up front.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to have another striker, that doesn't have to be top notch, just do a job for about 10 games and a few off the bench, like Parker did.  Unfortunately Schwartz and Smyth weren't deemed capable of doing that.

Last season Chuks ability, or lack of, to play 90 minutes wasn't the problem.  The fact at times, he was by far, our best striker was. 

Stockley is suspended. Washington is injured and you have a senior player who you can’t start and know finish the game because he’s only useful off the bench due to whatever reason. I agree with se9 on this one.

But I specifically said you have a 4th striker for exactly that reason.  Else Stockley is suspended and Washington is injured and your starting with Schwartz up front on his own and no sub on the bench if you only have 3, who ever they are.

We won't have 3 strikers that play more minutes next season than Chuks did last season. 

Having a fourth striker of any quality is quite a rarity in league one clubs. 

The problem being we don't have a fourth striker AT ALL presently. Stockley and Washington are proven at this level, Schwartz not so much. Beyond that it's hoping a youth product really steps up.

Again I'm sure that business IS being done but we can't judge how well that signing replaces Aneke until it gets made.

Josh Davison?

Covered End said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

thenewbie said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I'm waiting for the evidence to buy a season ticket as I am fed up of the mediocrity and false promises we always get. I am still expecting positive action so not in panic mode but Chuks was a big marker for me and it is an understatement I am disappointed he is leaving. Cue people being ok about it because of his lack of minutes last season. To be honest, I have no interest in these views as I believe they lack football knowledge. We have to be better than last season and it isn't easy to replace what Chuks gives us, but we shall see. I will worry after the Euros if there is something to worry about!   

I mentioned further up that I’m disappointed we couldn’t retain Aneke, 15 goals will be very difficult to replace. But being of the opinion that him leaving isn’t a big deal doesn’t mean that person “lacks football knowledge” (whatever that’s supposed to mean). There is a legitimate argument that retaining Aneke actually costs you two salaries from the budget - one for Chuks and one for the guy that needs to play the 75% of minutes that he can’t. 

That's a false argument though.  If you have 4 strikers in the squad you are very rarely going to start more than 2 of them.  Unless one doubles up as a winger or something else.  You are always, where possible, going to have a striker on the bench. 

With out looking up the stats I would guess out of the 46 league games, lets call 50 including senior cups, that 100 starts if you play 2 up front.  We won't play 2 in every game so let's say it's 80 starts.  In a normal season, baring a serious injury, you expect someone like Stockley to be able to start 40 games out of the 50.  Someone like Washington would probably be able to play all the games you want 2 up front.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to have another striker, that doesn't have to be top notch, just do a job for about 10 games and a few off the bench, like Parker did.  Unfortunately Schwartz and Smyth weren't deemed capable of doing that.

Last season Chuks ability, or lack of, to play 90 minutes wasn't the problem.  The fact at times, he was by far, our best striker was. 

Stockley is suspended. Washington is injured and you have a senior player who you can’t start and know finish the game because he’s only useful off the bench due to whatever reason. I agree with se9 on this one.

But I specifically said you have a 4th striker for exactly that reason.  Else Stockley is suspended and Washington is injured and your starting with Schwartz up front on his own and no sub on the bench if you only have 3, who ever they are.

We won't have 3 strikers that play more minutes next season than Chuks did last season. 

Having a fourth striker of any quality is quite a rarity in league one clubs. 

The problem being we don't have a fourth striker AT ALL presently. Stockley and Washington are proven at this level, Schwartz not so much. Beyond that it's hoping a youth product really steps up.

Again I'm sure that business IS being done but we can't judge how well that signing replaces Aneke until it gets made.

Josh Davison?

Davison looked slow, over weight and poor for FGR, so I don't fancy his chances at Charlton.

Covered End said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

thenewbie said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I'm waiting for the evidence to buy a season ticket as I am fed up of the mediocrity and false promises we always get. I am still expecting positive action so not in panic mode but Chuks was a big marker for me and it is an understatement I am disappointed he is leaving. Cue people being ok about it because of his lack of minutes last season. To be honest, I have no interest in these views as I believe they lack football knowledge. We have to be better than last season and it isn't easy to replace what Chuks gives us, but we shall see. I will worry after the Euros if there is something to worry about!   

I mentioned further up that I’m disappointed we couldn’t retain Aneke, 15 goals will be very difficult to replace. But being of the opinion that him leaving isn’t a big deal doesn’t mean that person “lacks football knowledge” (whatever that’s supposed to mean). There is a legitimate argument that retaining Aneke actually costs you two salaries from the budget - one for Chuks and one for the guy that needs to play the 75% of minutes that he can’t. 

That's a false argument though.  If you have 4 strikers in the squad you are very rarely going to start more than 2 of them.  Unless one doubles up as a winger or something else.  You are always, where possible, going to have a striker on the bench. 

With out looking up the stats I would guess out of the 46 league games, lets call 50 including senior cups, that 100 starts if you play 2 up front.  We won't play 2 in every game so let's say it's 80 starts.  In a normal season, baring a serious injury, you expect someone like Stockley to be able to start 40 games out of the 50.  Someone like Washington would probably be able to play all the games you want 2 up front.

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to have another striker, that doesn't have to be top notch, just do a job for about 10 games and a few off the bench, like Parker did.  Unfortunately Schwartz and Smyth weren't deemed capable of doing that.

Last season Chuks ability, or lack of, to play 90 minutes wasn't the problem.  The fact at times, he was by far, our best striker was. 

Stockley is suspended. Washington is injured and you have a senior player who you can’t start and know finish the game because he’s only useful off the bench due to whatever reason. I agree with se9 on this one.

But I specifically said you have a 4th striker for exactly that reason.  Else Stockley is suspended and Washington is injured and your starting with Schwartz up front on his own and no sub on the bench if you only have 3, who ever they are.

We won't have 3 strikers that play more minutes next season than Chuks did last season. 

Having a fourth striker of any quality is quite a rarity in league one clubs. 

The problem being we don't have a fourth striker AT ALL presently. Stockley and Washington are proven at this level, Schwartz not so much. Beyond that it's hoping a youth product really steps up.

Again I'm sure that business IS being done but we can't judge how well that signing replaces Aneke until it gets made.

Josh Davison?

Davison looked slow, over weight and poor for FGR, so I don't fancy his chances at Charlton.

Covered_End_Lad said:

Tbf Gomes is the first one that has gone elsewhere that we were actually interested in, 99 times out of 100 a player will sign for the team in the higher division. Same with Aneke.

Still confident our squad will be right up there come August.

PS the player that is close to signing is a good one.

ShootersHillGuru said:

NapaAddick said:

If this transfer window were unfolding as is now under RD, everyone would be freaking out. The sole reason so many are staying hopeful is their personal liking of TS and that is all. But if you just analyze the hard facts of where we are with neither hope nor disdain, it’s not a pretty picture thus far. There is still time to fix but it’s not a good look.

If we were freaking out under RD it would be based on previous windows. I don’t get “not a pretty picture at all. I have every confidence we’ll get the players we need. Would have been good to get them early but not doing so is not a problem of Sandgaards doing. 

golfaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

ricky_otto said:

addick1956 said:

ricky_otto said:

se9addick said:

RedRobin said:

se9addick said:

RedRobin said:

I thought Adkins said Chuks and Amos wanted to stay? Are we saying that’s not true!?!?!? Flippin heck. This summer feels like it’s going to be a damp squib, I hope I’m wrong! 

If you’re referring to the interview of the other day he said he wanted them to stay. That being said I’m sure most players say they want to stay, until they get a better offer.

(Adkins interview here: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-boss-nigel-adkins-has-fresh-contact-with-out-of-contract-duo/)

No it’s not that interview it was this one where NA says THEY want to stay: 

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-boss-nigel-adkins-all-our-out-of-contract-players-want-to-stay/

Ah right, that was a couple of weeks ago before the bright lights of Birmingham & Wigan turned their heads!

Probably no brainers for both players. Aneke gets to play 20 mins each week in the championship as opposed to league 1 and Amos gets to live closer to home.  We will only really know at the end of the window if we are losing out or gaining better replacements. Adkins record on the transfer market is generally very good. 

His backing at Southampton was much better though .

Time will tell if that the case. There is nothing to suggest that his backing at Charlton won’t be on a par or even better with what he had at Southampton. 

 I keep reading “we missed out on Gomes” “we missed out on Long” “another player we missed out on” nobody actually knows if these are players Adkins was even interested in. He wanted Stockley and he got him.  If a realistic target is there to be had, I have no doubt TS will back Adkins to the hilt to get him. We are in the last week of June…..it we get to the last week of July and haven’t signed anybody then it’s worrying. But I see no cause for concern at the moment. 

I think that’s mostly true with the exception that it’s generally far better to get business done early to take advantage of a good pre season. Not getting your squad in place until late on is without question a worse scenario. Is it concerning ? I actually think up to a point it is. 

I think preason is both really important and a bit of a red herring.  I feel the most important thing is most, if not all, of your players have a preseason, somewhere. 

If you look at the 5 we signed last summer, who hadn't, none of them were great, for multiple reasons.  Yet they all got hammered for it, yet Ronnie gets a pass, from some, because of it?

If you look at the players we signed that had had a preseason, especially the center backs, they came in a hit the ground running.  Stockley and Millar did in January as well. 

I wouldn't want to sign more than 1 or 2 out of contract players after, say the middle of July, for that reason.  You can always accommodate a couple, see Kermorgant, Y.

With fees and loans, unless you try and reinvent a player, they can slot in much later. 

Getting promoted is going to be tough regardless. Having players together as a group getting familiarised with each other and what’s required in terms of tactics is really quite essential. Pre season isn’t just about getting fit although I agree that’s at least as important. Every point will matter and as we know to our recent cost even every goal. Every edge you can get is important. It is what it is but getting players in early is far and away a big plus.

This. It's in almost all the football autobiographies I've read - players saying about all the new faces in the dressing room when they report back for preseason & the bonding starts at training camps etc.

I understand all the optimists on here trying to keep us all chirpy with the "theres still a month to go before the season starts" and " the transfer window doesn't close for another 2 months" and the other perennial " no one else is signing players at the moment". 

BUT

We had a major rebuild this summer. No idea about any other clubs (and dont really care tbh) but I'm sure not many of our rivals are starting pre-season with just 12 first team players- one of which I've just learnt is off to the Olympics next month - and currently he's our only goal keeper !!  We are starting behind most of the other teams & we need to play catch up....QUICK. August 1st will be too late.