Swisdom said:Armed was very good against Chatham last night/. He’s progressing just fineTodds_right_hook said:Why isn’t barker progressing? Bowyer was forced to play him as a 17 year old ahead of older u-23 players for non footballing reasons. He then went back to the u-18’s and worked his way up to play for the u-23’s. He has been around the first team squad again this pre season. I would say that he is progressing nicely.JamesSeed said:Barker doesn’t seem to have progressed like we thought he would, and Gunter is ok only as a last resort. Elerewe might do the job based on what we’ve seen in friendlies, but he’s unproven in L1. What would happen if he had a shaky first couple of games?Callumcafc said:Maybe the idea is to get as close to 30 games out of Inniss as possible & split the remaining games between Gunter and Elerewe.
Barker could fill in right back duties alongside Gunter-Famewo if Inniss & Matthews were out at the same time.
I think we have to assume that Inniss may be missing for long periods.
the problem is that because he played aged 17, people expect him to be Gomez or konsa. He is 18!!!! Another year of academy football, then 12 months of being with the squad, then regular game time aged 20.
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Apologies if this has already been put to bed but can anyone confirm or not whether Karl Edwards is training with us or was this just an unsubstantiated rumour ?2
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Ah, that takes me back to happier times...I just wanted to finish it off for you.12 -
Who's next to piss off Driesen and his silly hair2
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Yeah, perhaps ...... but usually parent clubs expect their loans to start, not as fringe squad players.Charlton43 said:Think the LB & RCB will be filled up with loan slots
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I can't see a RCB coming on loan to be a cover/rotation with Inniss. But that's assuming we will play 2. If we are going to play 3 it's more likely.Oggy Red said:
Yeah, perhaps ...... but usually parent clubs expect their loans to start, not as fringe squad players.Charlton43 said:Think the LB & RCB will be filled up with loan slots2 -
I make you right... what we are missing is our Wilks or Szmodics. At the moment I only see Jayden scoring, maybe DJ. We need more goals!killerandflash said:The problem with 433s and 4231s is that unless you have goals from central midfield, you can end up heavily reliant on the number 9 to score your goals unless the wingers are goal scorers as well (the Raheem Sterling types as opposed to the hug the touchline types)
Looking at Posh last season, Clarke-Harris got 33, but they also had scoring midfielder and wingers too - Szmodics with 15, Dembele with 13
For Hull, Wilks got 22, Magennis 19, Lewis-Potter 15
At the moment, we seem short of goals up top, especially with the enigma of Ronnie who seems best suited to a 442 anyway2 -
Referring to the 2011/12 season, which I know has been done to death (sorry), but I saw our list of top scorers went: 22, 13, 12, 8, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2.
If things go really well and Stockley gets 20~, who else would step up and get the following sorts of numbers? I think it shows we need a very decent backup striker, goalscoring winger and offensive-minded midfielder to have the potential to get those sorts of numbers... but would be interested to know what others think.
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The season hasnt started but apparently we already havent scored enough goals...13
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Yep sounds like he is ..ShootersHillGuru said:Apologies if this has already been put to bed but can anyone confirm or not whether Karl Edwards is training with us or was this just an unsubstantiated rumour ?1 -
40 goals between the 3 won't be enoughshine166 said:
40 goals from those 3 should be the conservative target.Elthamaddick said:
DJ will get double figures this season as will Stockley and Washingtonkillerandflash said:The problem with 433s and 4231s is that unless you have goals from central midfield, you can end up heavily reliant on the number 9 to score your goals unless the wingers are goal scorers as well (the Raheem Sterling types as opposed to the hug the touchline types)
Looking at Posh last season, Clarke-Harris got 33, but they also had scoring midfielder and wingers too - Szmodics with 15, Dembele with 13
For Hull, Wilks got 22, Magennis 19, Lewis-Potter 15
At the moment, we seem short of goals up top, especially with the enigma of Ronnie who seems best suited to a 442 anyway
The Posh 3 got 61 between them, the Hull 3, 564 -
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It’s obvious we need more attacking options, even if that just means competition for the likes of DJ and Gilbey who go on to score 10+ each.king addick said:The season hasnt started but apparently we already havent scored enough goals...0 -
Interesting challenge. Stockley at 22 sounds a stretch to me, but then, in order, Washington, DJ, Gilbey, Inniss, Clare, Morgan, Schwartz, Davison fills it up down to 3 reasonably, I think, assuming 4-3-3. Definitely need another ACM and winger, though.MaxicoCity said:Referring to the 2011/12 season, which I know has been done to death (sorry), but I saw our list of top scorers went: 22, 13, 12, 8, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2.
If things go really well and Stockley gets 20~, who else would step up and get the following sorts of numbers? I think it shows we need a very decent backup striker, goalscoring winger and offensive-minded midfielder to have the potential to get those sorts of numbers... but would be interested to know what others think.
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Id say Stockley could well score 20 plus, after that you'd hope Washington would score at least 10, Gilbey i'd hope would score half a dozen at least, DJ could pop up with a few definitely. Add to that +2 winger, +1 CAM and potentially +1 striker you'd think we'd be alright.MaxicoCity said:Referring to the 2011/12 season, which I know has been done to death (sorry), but I saw our list of top scorers went: 22, 13, 12, 8, 5, 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2.
If things go really well and Stockley gets 20~, who else would step up and get the following sorts of numbers? I think it shows we need a very decent backup striker, goalscoring winger and offensive-minded midfielder to have the potential to get those sorts of numbers... but would be interested to know what others think.
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Yeah hense the Conservative part, ideally it's 50+. Despite our apparent lack of goals last season, only 3 teams scored more than us.killerandflash said:
40 goals between the 3 won't be enoughshine166 said:
40 goals from those 3 should be the conservative target.Elthamaddick said:
DJ will get double figures this season as will Stockley and Washingtonkillerandflash said:The problem with 433s and 4231s is that unless you have goals from central midfield, you can end up heavily reliant on the number 9 to score your goals unless the wingers are goal scorers as well (the Raheem Sterling types as opposed to the hug the touchline types)
Looking at Posh last season, Clarke-Harris got 33, but they also had scoring midfielder and wingers too - Szmodics with 15, Dembele with 13
For Hull, Wilks got 22, Magennis 19, Lewis-Potter 15
At the moment, we seem short of goals up top, especially with the enigma of Ronnie who seems best suited to a 442 anyway
The Posh 3 got 61 between them, the Hull 3, 56
If we can pick up another midfielder that can chip in with 10, we are only 10 short of what we achieved last season (70 goals). Keep Innis fit and that's another 5 from corners.1 -
Not ITK but I feel confident we will get Maatsen back. He didn't play well enough throughout the season to get a Champ loan, and would be ideal for us to give us extra cover in both the LB and winger slots.3
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I really like him, his only real bad spell came when everyone had a bad spell. Really like his workratebalham red said:Not ITK but I feel confident we will get Maatsen back. He didn't play well enough throughout the season to get a Champ loan, and would be ideal for us to give us extra cover in both the LB and winger slots.0 -
Rumour mentioned by @orpingtonRED a few pages back....ShootersHillGuru said:Apologies if this has already been put to bed but can anyone confirm or not whether Karl Edwards is training with us or was this just an unsubstantiated rumour ?1 -
A suggestion here that Maatsen is currently having to isolate
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It started as Twitter noise yesterday morning but later in the day @VFR4life says he’s been training with us. Also mentioned that Madger Gomes was at Sparrows Lane too.ShootersHillGuru said:Apologies if this has already been put to bed but can anyone confirm or not whether Karl Edwards is training with us or was this just an unsubstantiated rumour ?2 -
https://www.footballfancast.com/sunderland-afc-news/exclusive-efl-spy-urges-ben-purrington-to-sign-for-big-club-like-sunderland-e150
A hilarious non story!
And the EFL insider exclusively told Football FanCast that 25-year-old Purrington, who previously scored against Sunderland in a League One play-off final, would meet the requirements needed to become a successful full-back at the Stadium of Light:
“He was part of a late play-off push and has a good year of game time under his belt to go and play for a big club like Sunderland. “He fits the hard-working full back type clubs look for, and he is a good size to win headers and defend his posts.”26 -
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Barker doesn’t seem to have progressed like we thought he would, and Gunter is ok only as a last resort. Elerewe might do the job based on what we’ve seen in friendlies, but he’s unproven in L1. What would happen if he had a shaky first couple of games?Callumcafc said:Maybe the idea is to get as close to 30 games out of Inniss as possible & split the remaining games between Gunter and Elerewe.
Barker could fill in right back duties alongside Gunter-Famewo if Inniss & Matthews were out at the same time.
I think we have to assume that Inniss may be missing for long periods.2 -
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Just want to see how many C'Lifers start to salivate...19 -
Why isn’t barker progressing? Bowyer was forced to play him as a 17 year old ahead of older u-23 players for non footballing reasons. He then went back to the u-18’s and worked his way up to play for the u-23’s. He has been around the first team squad again this pre season. I would say that he is progressing nicely.JamesSeed said:
Barker doesn’t seem to have progressed like we thought he would, and Gunter is ok only as a last resort. Elerewe might do the job based on what we’ve seen in friendlies, but he’s unproven in L1. What would happen if he had a shaky first couple of games?Callumcafc said:Maybe the idea is to get as close to 30 games out of Inniss as possible & split the remaining games between Gunter and Elerewe.
Barker could fill in right back duties alongside Gunter-Famewo if Inniss & Matthews were out at the same time.
I think we have to assume that Inniss may be missing for long periods.
the problem is that because he played aged 17, people expect him to be Gomez or konsa. He is 18!!!! Another year of academy football, then 12 months of being with the squad, then regular game time aged 20.19 -
Just an observation from watching the friendlies. And that could just be rustiness.Todds_right_hook said:
Why isn’t barker progressing? Bowyer was forced to play him as a 17 year old ahead of older u-23 players for non footballing reasons. He then went back to the u-18’s and worked his way up to play for the u-23’s. He has been around the first team squad again this pre season. I would say that he is progressing nicely.JamesSeed said:
Barker doesn’t seem to have progressed like we thought he would, and Gunter is ok only as a last resort. Elerewe might do the job based on what we’ve seen in friendlies, but he’s unproven in L1. What would happen if he had a shaky first couple of games?Callumcafc said:Maybe the idea is to get as close to 30 games out of Inniss as possible & split the remaining games between Gunter and Elerewe.
Barker could fill in right back duties alongside Gunter-Famewo if Inniss & Matthews were out at the same time.
I think we have to assume that Inniss may be missing for long periods.
the problem is that because he played aged 17, people expect him to be Gomez or konsa. He is 18!!!! Another year of academy football, then 12 months of being with the squad, then regular game time aged 20.It could be that he’ll rise to the occasion if given a chance though. Certainly hope he does.But I think you have to have faith in Adkins, Jacko and the rest to judge whether he’s ready or not. They see much more of him than we do.0 -
Whilst you're being conservative, worth noting our front 3 or even top 3 scorers on our last promotion scored 21, 14 & 9 respectively.shine166 said:
Yeah hense the Conservative part, ideally it's 50+. Despite our apparent lack of goals last season, only 3 teams scored more than us.killerandflash said:
40 goals between the 3 won't be enoughshine166 said:
40 goals from those 3 should be the conservative target.Elthamaddick said:
DJ will get double figures this season as will Stockley and Washingtonkillerandflash said:The problem with 433s and 4231s is that unless you have goals from central midfield, you can end up heavily reliant on the number 9 to score your goals unless the wingers are goal scorers as well (the Raheem Sterling types as opposed to the hug the touchline types)
Looking at Posh last season, Clarke-Harris got 33, but they also had scoring midfielder and wingers too - Szmodics with 15, Dembele with 13
For Hull, Wilks got 22, Magennis 19, Lewis-Potter 15
At the moment, we seem short of goals up top, especially with the enigma of Ronnie who seems best suited to a 442 anyway
The Posh 3 got 61 between them, the Hull 3, 56
If we can pick up another midfielder that can chip in with 10, we are only 10 short of what we achieved last season (70 goals). Keep Innis fit and that's another 5 from corners.
We finished 3rd by 3 points (plus GD), with 73 goals in total. Realistically do we expect this squad to at least equal that?
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I love the end of that article:killerandflash said:https://www.footballfancast.com/sunderland-afc-news/exclusive-efl-spy-urges-ben-purrington-to-sign-for-big-club-like-sunderland-e150
A hilarious non story!
And the EFL insider exclusively told Football FanCast that 25-year-old Purrington, who previously scored against Sunderland in a League One play-off final, would meet the requirements needed to become a successful full-back at the Stadium of Light:
“He was part of a late play-off push and has a good year of game time under his belt to go and play for a big club like Sunderland. “He fits the hard-working full back type clubs look for, and he is a good size to win headers and defend his posts.”
"But in Lee Johnson, Sunderland arguably have the best manager in the division and are expected to end their four-year stay in the third-tier, meaning it would be a no-brainer for the defender."21 -
Barker was very good against Chatham last night/. He’s progressing just fineTodds_right_hook said:
Why isn’t barker progressing? Bowyer was forced to play him as a 17 year old ahead of older u-23 players for non footballing reasons. He then went back to the u-18’s and worked his way up to play for the u-23’s. He has been around the first team squad again this pre season. I would say that he is progressing nicely.JamesSeed said:
Barker doesn’t seem to have progressed like we thought he would, and Gunter is ok only as a last resort. Elerewe might do the job based on what we’ve seen in friendlies, but he’s unproven in L1. What would happen if he had a shaky first couple of games?Callumcafc said:Maybe the idea is to get as close to 30 games out of Inniss as possible & split the remaining games between Gunter and Elerewe.
Barker could fill in right back duties alongside Gunter-Famewo if Inniss & Matthews were out at the same time.
I think we have to assume that Inniss may be missing for long periods.
the problem is that because he played aged 17, people expect him to be Gomez or konsa. He is 18!!!! Another year of academy football, then 12 months of being with the squad, then regular game time aged 20.12 -
Was he dangerous as well? 😯10
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Lee Johnson has a career win rate of 38.8%, Adkins has a win rate of over 42%, the cowleys even higher. I haven’t looked at warne, gobinsons or Appleton’s records but I’m confident in saying that Johnson is far from the best manager in this leagueChunes said:
I love the end of that article:killerandflash said:https://www.footballfancast.com/sunderland-afc-news/exclusive-efl-spy-urges-ben-purrington-to-sign-for-big-club-like-sunderland-e150
A hilarious non story!
And the EFL insider exclusively told Football FanCast that 25-year-old Purrington, who previously scored against Sunderland in a League One play-off final, would meet the requirements needed to become a successful full-back at the Stadium of Light:
“He was part of a late play-off push and has a good year of game time under his belt to go and play for a big club like Sunderland. “He fits the hard-working full back type clubs look for, and he is a good size to win headers and defend his posts.”
"But in Lee Johnson, Sunderland arguably have the best manager in the division and are expected to end their four-year stay in the third-tier, meaning it would be a no-brainer for the defender."15 -
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