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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Poor old Jacob Roddy, all he wants to do is make a career as a professional footballer. It seems his Dad, who may or may not be his Dad is either hindering him or helping him.
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Welease Woddy12
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I'm sure these sort of comments will do a young man's self esteem and confidence a world of good (on the off chance he might see them, which let's face it, he could). I see we've found someone else to scapegoat now Purrington is injured6
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Thanks Sam you’re the voice of reason and no mistake. Thanks for being here for us and thanks for caring. What star sign are you? Man you’ve got a beautiful aura.2
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Hopefully we get a deal done with Swindon and bring Jonny back home2
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And what’s wrong with that?theeenorth said:Thanks Sam you’re the voice of reason and no mistake. Thanks for being here for us and thanks for caring. What star sign are you? Man you’ve got a beautiful aura.
He makes a very valid point.7 -
Tbf he is right...not seen him play so can't comment on that but it does seem that he is pretty much damned because his name is Roddy.theeenorth said:Thanks Sam you’re the voice of reason and no mistake. Thanks for being here for us and thanks for caring. What star sign are you? Man you’ve got a beautiful aura.3 -
He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.15
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The lads 18 years old and played one senior game....down the line he may not he good enough but he really has been condemned.Sage said:He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Imagine we will sign a LB and a season of U23s football will show where he is at.9 -
@king addick you’re right but you’re also not a naive man and absolutely recognise that culturally those who seem to get a leg up in life face the hardest scrutiny. If he’s good enough the doubters will appreciate even more for making it on his own merits. If he doesn’t he’ll be forgotten by most and his name wheeled out only as a salutary parable.
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Regarding Roddy, I thought he looked alright against Wimbledon, played some good stuff. Defensively pretty solid apart from their goal but he’s a youngster still learning, reminds me a bit of Morgan Fox! Clearly the club see potential as he’d be nowhere near the first team otherwise, regardless of who his Dad is unless we are going old school nepotism which would be disappointing!2
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Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?4 -
If for any reason - injuries, Adkins feels he’s ready etc - Roddy does feature in the league, I hope the usual boo boys realise he is only 18, regardless of who he’s related to, and don’t tear him apart at The Valley or away games. I understand he’s not at the level yet that many are expecting of a squad member this season, but hope people still lend support during games he appears in.5
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I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.35 -
I’ll always support whoever is playing and never booed a player in my life. I can just recognise if someone is of the standard required for the first team.stoneroses19 said:If for any reason - injuries, Adkins feels he’s ready etc - Roddy does feature in the league, I hope the usual boo boys realise he is only 18, regardless of who he’s related to, and don’t tear him apart at The Valley or away games. I understand he’s not at the level yet that many are expecting of a squad member this season, but hope people still lend support during games he appears in.5 -
But based on what is he not good enough?0
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I agree, feels to me he's been fast-tracked to the first team - it's clear to me he's not ready. Not saying he won't grow into a good player, but it feels far too early for him.Sage said:
I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.1 -
What’s been condemned is not Jacob. It’s the fact that the club have known since Maatsen went off to Coventry that we needed to bring in a left wing back and that’s not just because Purrington is injured. We started the season with a right back at left back with cover a totally raw Jacob Roddy. As for Jacob. He’s 18. Of course he’s not going to be good enough straight out of the box. I’m sure he’ll develop as he gets more experienced but just now he shouldn’t be anywhere near first team squad let alone first eleven.king addick said:
The lads 18 years old and played one senior game....down the line he may not he good enough but he really has been condemned.Sage said:He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Imagine we will sign a LB and a season of U23s football will show where he is at.3 -
I thought Gunter had a good game against the Massive.8
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Don’t be ridiculous. The entire flavour of the debate over Jacob Roddy is to suggest he only got the contract because of his Dad. That is nepotism. Do you want me to repeat that? Whatever the influence of any senior executive nepotism can only exist if others allow it to exist. The only people who can allow that is the Head of the Academy who sanctioned the contract or the Club Manager who has chosen to select him.Sage said:
I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.
The entire tone of your comments suggest he has no right being anywhere near the club. For someone who seemingly works in and around the club I view such contribution on a public forum as entirely inappropriate.
Thus your comments can do nothing but reflect on Avory.11 -
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He did but Gunter is a seasoned international who has played when necessary at left back for Wales. He’s perfectly capable of filling in at left back in an emergency but he’s not the answer to the season. As I wrote just above we’ve known that left back is a problem for a long time. It’s remiss for us not to have addressed it a little earlier.Addickted said:I thought Gunter had a good game against the Massive.0 -
What other left backs are currently at the club ? That’s important because if Jacob has jumped ahead of them then we should be able to see why on the pitch. I don’t mean Purrington of course who is injured.Grapevine49 said:
Don’t be ridiculous. The entire flavour of the debate over Jacob Roddy is to suggest he only got the contract because of his Dad. That is nepotism. Do you want me to repeat that? Whatever the influence of any senior executive nepotism can only exist if others allow it to exist. The only people who can allow that is the Head of the Academy who sanctioned the contract or the Club Manager who has chosen to select him.Sage said:
I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.
Thus your comments can do nothing but reflect on Avory.2 -
Let's face it every thing footballing wise has been directed by Roddy since he arrived.
That is kinda he's job!
But no doubt he couldn't wait to get Bowyer out, instrumental in bringing Adkins in, playing up the youth through the first team & getting his son in the club...
Definitely nepotism, but both Adkins and Avory are also seeing what they want happening with the club, so are going to leanient to the kid.
Jacob can only be judged on what he does, but the club just may be fairer on him than most...4 -
What happened to Guarande? Last I heard he was linked with Watford. We signed Oguntayo? You don’t think at this time of year there will be queue of young left backs screaming for a contract?ShootersHillGuru said:
What other left backs are currently at the club ? That’s important because if Jacob has jumped ahead of them then we should be able to see why on the pitch. I don’t mean Purrington of course who is injured.Grapevine49 said:
Don’t be ridiculous. The entire flavour of the debate over Jacob Roddy is to suggest he only got the contract because of his Dad. That is nepotism. Do you want me to repeat that? Whatever the influence of any senior executive nepotism can only exist if others allow it to exist. The only people who can allow that is the Head of the Academy who sanctioned the contract or the Club Manager who has chosen to select him.Sage said:
I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.
Thus your comments can do nothing but reflect on Avory.0 -
How about Barker as right back cover? From Hunters interview last week it seems Matthews would be covering left back if he and Gunter had agreed that way instead1
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I’m not being ridiculous, you’re making this into something it is quite clearly not. My comment was he’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter. Nowhere have I said anything about the academy, Avory or anyone else. I wasn’t involved in the original debate about who his Dad is or anything else. You’re making it about that. All I have said is he not good enough and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team set up. Again, not anywhere did I mention who he is related to or about the academy.Grapevine49 said:
Don’t be ridiculous. The entire flavour of the debate over Jacob Roddy is to suggest he only got the contract because of his Dad. That is nepotism. Do you want me to repeat that? Whatever the influence of any senior executive nepotism can only exist if others allow it to exist. The only people who can allow that is the Head of the Academy who sanctioned the contract or the Club Manager who has chosen to select him.Sage said:
I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.
The entire tone of your comments suggest he has no right being anywhere near the club. For someone who seemingly works in and around the club I view such contribution on a public forum views as entirely inappropriate.
Thus your comments can do nothing but reflect on Avory.
You also don’t know my role, and my role has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion that he is not at the level of the first team. I am supporter of Charlton Athletic Football Club and what I do in my personal or working life has no influence on my opinion of a standard of a player. It’s not Jacob’s fault on any of this, and I am not being horrible towards him. There is nothing to say against that in 2/3 years he will develop into a good player, but right now he is not good enough and that was my point. So please don’t get on your high horse about any other matter that was completely unrelated to my post.
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That’s not addressed my question has it. Q: Are there other left backs at the club and if there are more than just Jacob can we be satisfied that he is ahead of all of them in terms of development.Grapevine49 said:
What happened to Guarande? Last I heard he was linked with Watford. We signed Oguntayo? You don’t think at this time of year there will be queue of young left backs screaming for a contract?ShootersHillGuru said:
What other left backs are currently at the club ? That’s important because if Jacob has jumped ahead of them then we should be able to see why on the pitch. I don’t mean Purrington of course who is injured.Grapevine49 said:
Don’t be ridiculous. The entire flavour of the debate over Jacob Roddy is to suggest he only got the contract because of his Dad. That is nepotism. Do you want me to repeat that? Whatever the influence of any senior executive nepotism can only exist if others allow it to exist. The only people who can allow that is the Head of the Academy who sanctioned the contract or the Club Manager who has chosen to select him.Sage said:
I’m suggesting he’s not good enough, bottom line.Grapevine49 said:Sage said:
Based on what period of evaluation? Do you seriously suggest Avory is prone to supporting such a basic version of alleged nepotism? Perhaps we should revisit Barker whose dad used to work for the club?He’s not good enough and that is ultimately the crux of the matter.
Are you suggesting that is how the Academy works?
Doesn’t matter about other players, Barker has been around the club for a while and was important to the U18s success last season, he’s proved himself around the club. We have/had young players better than Roddy and to many it looks like he’s been fast tracked to the first team.
I am not saying anything against the academy or Avory, you mentioned him, not me. My point is Roddy is not good enough whether he is 18 or 23, his age is irrelevant, he shouldn’t be near the first team set up right now.
Thus your comments can do nothing but reflect on Avory.0 -
Roddy has been fast tracked to the first team because with Purringtons injury and Gunter being a right back, there's not a lot of other options. He played in a cup game alongside a load of other youngsters, everyone needs to chill out about if he's good enough, he'll clearly be an under 23's player once we (hopefully) fill out the squad1
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My question remains. Is after Purrington, Jacob the best left back at the club ?sam3110 said:Roddy has been fast tracked to the first team because with Purringtons injury and Gunter being a right back, there's not a lot of other options. He played in a cup game alongside a load of other youngsters, everyone needs to chill out about if he's good enough, he'll clearly be an under 23's player once we (hopefully) fill out the squad1 -
All kicking off again :-(3
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