Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

Chunes said:

I mean... I just prefer to take people at their word. If the owner comes out and says we're probably just making loan signings, then isn't that likely the truth? I don't buy into these 'hidden agendas' it just seems like people hearing what they want to hear. 

People were saying similar when Bowyer  didn't want another CB, saying he was actually just trying to get the prices down, managing expectations, etc.. No, turns out he just didn't want another CB.

But this isn’t coming from the manager. It’s he who should be happy/unhappy with his starting 11 and squad depth.

Marriott110 said:

I've been told we're going to sign Tobi Omole from Spurs on loan, 21 year old left footed cb originally from Lewisham, 6ft2 so i would guess cover for Akin as to not rely on Deji to play in the league at least

Source is from Spurs end, also didn't confirm when other than before the window shuts

The first mention of Tobi Omole I believe? 

Vfrf said:

ValleyGary said:

Think people look far too much into what the man says. With all due respect to TS, he doesn’t really know a huge amount the game. Plus I wouldn’t expect the owner to say we are miles off and stick a boot into his own playing staff. I’m sure Adkins, Gallen and Roddy know we aren’t there yet in terms of starting 11 and squad depth. I’m more interested in their comments as an indication of where we are, and they’ve indicated they will bring more in whilst not giving away too much. Still a couple of weeks to do some business.

Having defended Thomas numerous times across the forum, I tend to opt on the side of optimism for him and his comments. I still haven't yet even come close to criticising his conduct as a whole, but these press releases are starting to add fuel to the fire, even for me.

At the end of the day it's Thomas writing the cheques so for better or worse, his comments are relevant even if Roddy/Gallen/Adkins are closer to the action. The issue for me is whether these three know it or not, Thomas is publically stating we're basically there with a starting 11. This starting 11 with the way Adkins currently has them playing will not hit top six.

Thomas also comes out and says we need to create 'even more chances'. Which chances are we creating exactly? We've played 3 competitive games and have 0 goals from open play. You could argue Wednesday are a hard team to break down but to get nothing against AFCW or Oxford? You don't need to make these kinds of comments when you're playing horrible football - what good would come of it?

Even giving a signed shirt to a TV fan after nearly a couple thousand made the trip up there in-person, these press releases are completely tone deaf. As I said, I'm a huge, huge Sandgaard guy but I think he needs some advice when speaking to the press. Speaking from the heart is an admirable trait but it's really landing like a lead balloon at the moment. Just get a couple wins under our belt and people won't care but this is really the wrong time to be saying these things.

Good Points. I always thought him being on twitter was a bade idea, although if he came off now all sorts of theories will be thrown out about why he has, so he can't win.

I also don't think that the past owners and lockdowns have helped in how things are seen. Owners for obvious reasons of false promises, insults and just doing a crap job.

Lockdowns because especially nearer the beginning, we were are all doing less so most people were spending more and more time on social media than before over analysing everything and getting in rows cos we haven't for the last year and a half been doing much or allowed to. Speaking to mates about this I think if we were not in lockdowns we would have had other things to distract from social media, (which isn't on the whole a reflection of life) such as going to games as this applies to all things, not just football 

I do think TS may have possibly underestimated some of the ins and outs of running a football club. Especially about what and not to say, but I hope and it seems he may be learning on that one. When it will become a problem is if he doesn't learn from them.

Scoham said:

On Henderson I wonder if it being made public means it’s pretty much done?

When did we last have two senior keepers? Must have been even rarer in the third tier.

I guess in the Third tier it would be when Sullivan was back up to Hamer in 11/12  . In the Second tier it would be Amos and Phillips two years ago . I think after promotion Dillon qualified as Senior .

Otherwise we have had a loanee and a back up .

golfaddick said:

Chunes said:

I mean... I just prefer to take people at their word. If the owner comes out and says we're probably just making loan signings, then isn't that likely the truth? It's certainly more likely than anything else. I don't buy into these 'hidden agendas' it just seems like people hearing what they want to hear. 

People were saying similar when Bowyer didn't want another CB. They said oh he's just trying to get the prices down, managing expectations, etc.. No, turns out he just didn't want another CB.

This.

I don't really mind or care what TS says, as long as he means it. No point making brash statements regarding Premier League ambitions or blowing through League 1 if you're not going to follow through. Means you can trust what he says and now (especially if I was an employee) I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

You are the one making brash statements mate ! we are 2 games into a long season how do you know we wont blow the league away by the end of the season ? you are welcome to your opinion but that doesnt make it a fact does it ?

UEAAddick said:

Vfrf said:

ValleyGary said:

Think people look far too much into what the man says. With all due respect to TS, he doesn’t really know a huge amount the game. Plus I wouldn’t expect the owner to say we are miles off and stick a boot into his own playing staff. I’m sure Adkins, Gallen and Roddy know we aren’t there yet in terms of starting 11 and squad depth. I’m more interested in their comments as an indication of where we are, and they’ve indicated they will bring more in whilst not giving away too much. Still a couple of weeks to do some business.

Having defended Thomas numerous times across the forum, I tend to opt on the side of optimism for him and his comments. I still haven't yet even come close to criticising his conduct as a whole, but these press releases are starting to add fuel to the fire, even for me.

At the end of the day it's Thomas writing the cheques so for better or worse, his comments are relevant even if Roddy/Gallen/Adkins are closer to the action. The issue for me is whether these three know it or not, Thomas is publically stating we're basically there with a starting 11. This starting 11 with the way Adkins currently has them playing will not hit top six.

Thomas also comes out and says we need to create 'even more chances'. Which chances are we creating exactly? We've played 3 competitive games and have 0 goals from open play. You could argue Wednesday are a hard team to break down but to get nothing against AFCW or Oxford? You don't need to make these kinds of comments when you're playing horrible football - what good would come of it?

Even giving a signed shirt to a TV fan after nearly a couple thousand made the trip up there in-person, these press releases are completely tone deaf. As I said, I'm a huge, huge Sandgaard guy but I think he needs some advice when speaking to the press. Speaking from the heart is an admirable trait but it's really landing like a lead balloon at the moment. Just get a couple wins under our belt and people won't care but this is really the wrong time to be saying these things.

Good Points. I always thought him being on twitter was a bade idea, although if he came off now all sorts of theories will be thrown out about why he has, so he can't win.

I also don't think that the past owners and lockdowns have helped in how things are seen. Owners for obvious reasons of false promises, insults and just doing a crap job.

Lockdowns because especially nearer the beginning, we were are all doing less so most people were spending more and more time on social media than before over analysing everything and getting in rows cos we haven't for the last year and a half been doing much or allowed to. Speaking to mates about this I think if we were not in lockdowns we would have had other things to distract from social media, (which isn't on the whole a reflection of life) such as going to games as this applies to all things, not just football 

I do think TS may have possibly underestimated some of the ins and outs of running a football club. Especially about what and not to say, but I hope and it seems he may be learning on that one. When it will become a problem is if he doesn't learn from them.

AndyG said:

golfaddick said:

Chunes said:

I mean... I just prefer to take people at their word. If the owner comes out and says we're probably just making loan signings, then isn't that likely the truth? It's certainly more likely than anything else. I don't buy into these 'hidden agendas' it just seems like people hearing what they want to hear. 

People were saying similar when Bowyer didn't want another CB. They said oh he's just trying to get the prices down, managing expectations, etc.. No, turns out he just didn't want another CB.

This.

I don't really mind or care what TS says, as long as he means it. No point making brash statements regarding Premier League ambitions or blowing through League 1 if you're not going to follow through. Means you can trust what he says and now (especially if I was an employee) I would take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

You are the one making brash statements mate ! we are 2 games into a long season how do you know we wont blow the league away by the end of the season ? you are welcome to your opinion but that doesnt make it a fact does it ?

‘If you sling enough shit at a wall, eventually some of it will stick’ - The way of Golfie.

Crusty54 said:

Scoham said:

On Henderson I wonder if it being made public means it’s pretty much done?

When did we last have two senior keepers? Must have been even rarer in the third tier.

Not at all. The story says purely because he lives nearby and has been allowed to train at Sparrows Lane. His options are open.

True.  Elliot trained with us last season and signed for Watford.

Scoham said:

On Henderson I wonder if it being made public means it’s pretty much done?

When did we last have two senior keepers? Must have been even rarer in the third tier.

Phillips and Maxwell?

SteveKielyCambridge said:

I really do not see that there is a lack of quality in the team - for me, there has been an extremely rare level of investment for a club at this level, leaving a team with huge quality. Yes, that team will need time to get itself together (see also Ipswich) and a bit of extra cover in places, but they were left in a difficult spot with an aging squad and have done incredibly well to bring in the players they have. I doubt that there is a single club in this division that would not bite your hand off for the likes of Fanewo, Kirk, MacGillivray, and Stockley to speak just of the new purchases this Summer.

Careful Steve thats way too positive for this thread mate. Come the revolution you will be put up against the wall lol

For what it is worth I totally agree with you mate

Croydon said:

Scoham said:

On Henderson I wonder if it being made public means it’s pretty much done?

When did we last have two senior keepers? Must have been even rarer in the third tier.

Phillips and Maxwell?

Maxwell was a loanee. 

BR7_addick said:

Blimey what do people expect?  TS to come out and say we need signings for the starting XI?  Cos that’ll do the lads confidence the worlds of good won’t it.

ButtleJR said:

BR7_addick said:

Blimey what do people expect?  TS to come out and say we need signings for the starting XI?  Cos that’ll do the lads confidence the worlds of good won’t it.

This 100%

Or, creating competition for places. They are not children after all.